Elephants Brutalized in Religious Ceremonies in India

[baajey]

Libtards like u dont mind killing and eating the same cow.. I guess Animal crutelty does not feature then. Hypocrite



So lets ban all torture of all animals including slaughter of cows

Personally, yes.
But then, elephants are not served in plates. Cows are.

 

[cloud_9]

Sorry Mr. Elephant you ain't a Cow!.

 

[nair]

I am amused at the article . I am waiting for Nair to comment on this. Elephants in Temple are actually well taken care of albeit some sporadic incidents of cruelity .

i too, was under the same impression.
the way the mahouts take care of the daily needs of their elephants seem to be sufficient, if not luxurious.
@nair @Nair saab can you shed some light on this ?

Elephants are taken care very well in Kerala.....But there are few cases otherwise, which are normally noted and taken care, both by govt agencies and also by activists.......

Elephants are an important part in our culture and our celebrations........there are activists who look at one side of the coin, and start saying everything is bad... .May be like going to dharavi and concluding entire mumbai is a slum.......Yes there is dharavi, but then that is a small percentage....

The relationship between mahout and the elephant is a very emotional one, and i have few experience which i will never forget in my life........... Most of them love their elephants like their children, and treat them like one......

But like in every profession, there are morons, who are drunkards and some time they assume themselves to be more powerful than the elephant since he listen to his orders...... Such guys are either thrown out of the profession or they are killed by the elephant itself...... These guys tend to forget that elephant is a wild animal.....

Over a period of time the authorities have put strict rules to avoid issues like OP.... and there are association for elephant owner's, they themselves take care of issues in case reported......

Elephant owners are rich guys, and they keep these elephants because they love them, they are part of their family and thats how they treat them...... I do not know how many knows there are Virat Kohli/Sachin tendulkar/Ronaldo/Woods kind of stars among elephants, For example, "Mangalamkunnu Karnan" "Thechikottukavu Ramachandran:" "Guruvayoor Valiya Keshavan" are the star elephants, in kerala, They have their star values like film stars and cricketers.......

The most important elephant owner's in kerala are the temple bodies..... for example, Guruvayoor temple has around 54 elephants with them, and they have a seperate department to take care of them..... and any one can go and see how they are taken care by buying a 5 rupee ticket...... and Normally those temples which own an elephant are rich ones, and they take care of them very well..... and not only that the devotees and elephant lovers contribute too......

I guess we should stop looking at the bad part and pass judgement, based on it..... At the same time, such bad treatments need to be highlighted so that the guilty one's are taken care and such issues do not repeat........

Does any of that look like its for god, parading in the street with little food and water and beating the animal to death?

Dear Madam, I have seen few of your posts in this thread, Do not pass judgement based on looking at one part of the coin.....

This is such a B*llShitting news article of the highest order. "Elephants are beaten, starved, tortured?"
WTF. Do they even know how temple elephants are treated? Majestic. Everytime an temple elephant dies, does these idiots have any ideas on how many people turn up to pay their last rights.

Another attack by the "Animal" brigade on the culture of India. I say, go cry a river.
Jallikattu will be back next year and they can cry an ocean, for all we care.

There are these animal activists brigade, just like our street dog saga....... Most of them look for fame...... But one good part of them is, the real issues are not pushed under carpet, and they are reported with more than enough importance and such issues are addressed........

There are several new rules are put in place, of late and these rules are regularly amended..... None of us (mallus, be it hindu, muslim or christian) want to see an elephant suffering....... They are part of our culture and we as a community love them the most......

 

[Supply&Demand]

Sorry Mr. Elephant you ain't a Cow!.

It is actually the opposite- "Sorry Mr. Cow, you ain't lovable as a dog, elephant to us liberals"

 

[cloud_9]

It is actually the opposite- "Sorry Mr. Cow, you ain't lovable as a dog, elephant to us liberals"

Indian Elephants are on the endangered list while Cows are everywhere in India pooping on the streets like their followers.
If you have a thing for dogs ,go for it like the Chinese and Koreans and eat every dog alive on the street until unless they aren't endangered.

 

[SrNair]

The article answers you:


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/elephant...remonies-in-india.432297/page-4#ixzz49s9aQUA2


This isnt a competition ...there is absolutely nothing bliss about being in chains! And def nothing to be forced to bow and carry tons of weight on your back and be paraded in the heat for hrs as some form of religious ritual!

Did I already told you ?
You cant imagine situation in here with that junk article .
Your only source is that article and you dont know anything more than that .

Selective amnesia or comprehension problem ?
I have been already mentioned about famous Elephant Guruvayoor Keshavan .Read those then argue with us.
My fellow Keralite friend Iggy also mentioned about that .Shut down this article and visit my state if you want .You will get what I meant.

I am not arguing with you but the article has already spoken about the hypocrisy and shear ignorance....


Sure, go open a thread on that but dont derail this one ESP if you cant contribute to it!

You are still repeating same lie again and again .
Lady ,your only knowledge about our tradition is this article .
It is quite embarrassing when you argue with someone ,about his own ancient tradition,with a half baked story cooked by some vested interests.Right?


It is like when I argue with you about ancient Pashtun traditions .Right ?

A pro lobby which beats elephants in public?
Please explain these:







Your law and its application:



And you call this love for the animal:

AanaPremi Sangham that is our NGO .Members in that group are really powerful and most of them own elephants and love them as their own childrens .
Did you actually think this is the reality in my state ?
I am living just one km from a famous temple and they wont allow elephants between 10 Am and 3 PM .


You dont know the nature of our people . Everyone are well awared about their own rights ,rules and regulations .
If some one parades elephants between 10am and 3pm .A phone call will finish their deal .



@Akheilos madam .I know you love animals and this nature .I appreciates you concern about majestic yet poor animals
Of Course we also have bad guys among mahouts .But majority ,I mean more than 95% loves their elephants very much and treats them like their own children .
I still remembers an elephant and his mahout ,his name was Vinod ,in my village when I was just a child .
It was quite famous in village and same time funny . When this mahout bought some food from shops his elephant will get a direct share of that and infact he would totally forget about his own family .
He spends only for his elephant ,if he didnt give food to his elephant ,that bull would steal that from him .
I have seen a lots of such news .Sometimes it would be quite heartbreaking .
I have seen news and documentaries about relation of mahout and elephant ,like that elephant refuses to take food after the death of his mahout and mahout that refuse to move from the pyre of his dear pet

 

[Dubious]

Yea right! Lady my house is situated next to temple and I have seen lots of ezhunallathu in my life.. I never mentioned anything about India or gone bonkers..You should try seeing it sometime in your life.. Its woth watching..

So National geographic is lying and lady is lying but every PDF indian is telling the truth based on single temples near the homes where they stare at the elephants all day with details to their feeding behaviour as well as feet or if these animals are illegally moved from other states and I am sure PDF indians also think that the supreme court did wrong to actually go check some of the handlers not having any owner certificate?

Just in March 2016 the Kerala state government discovered more than 289 elephants without ownership certificates, but it granted the owners amnesty. This has been rejected by the Supreme Court of India.

Did I already told you ?
You cant imagine situation in here with that junk article .
Your only source is that article and you dont know anything more than that .

I already said the article answers you....

Shut down this article

Its not in my powers...I suggest you write to the author (National geographic) and the film maker

same lie again and again .

Since when did National geographic become a lie?

his own ancient tradition

You see that is the problem...You are ONLY seeing it as an important ancient tradition without looking at it from the torture the elephants are facing!

half baked story cooked by some vested interests.

Then go write to them instead of protesting on a forum with ABSOLUTELY no statistics or proof!


Until and unless you have followed EVERY elephant you cant say there arent some that are mistreated and beaten!

AanaPremi Sangham that is our NGO .Members in that group are really powerful and most of them own elephants and love them as their own childrens .
Did you actually think this is the reality in my state ?

I dont think about it as a state event...I think of it as a human nature to earn more - it isnt unheard of when men misuse animals for financial gains! Money makes the world go round!

You dont know the nature of our people . Everyone are well awared about their own rights ,rules and regulations .
If some one parades elephants between 10am and 3pm .A phone call will finish their deal .

Then where did she get approval to show her film? And I dont think she would be on National geographic if she didnt have evidence of what she claims!!

Of Course we also have bad guys among mahouts

And that is ALL the article is highlighting! THE BAD GUYS so they will be caught - The only way to do that is point them out, raise awareness and get the sentenced!

 

[Srinivas]

In India Elephants are worshipped, one kind of respect. Indians (especially Dharmics) actually know how to take care of climate, animals and other things. All these things are embedded in the life style.

TN chief minister Jaya Lalitha actually gave holidays to the elephants.

Hindus worship animals, one kind of respect to the nature.

 

[SrNair]

So National geographic is lying and lady is lying but every PDF indian is telling the truth based on single temples near the homes where they stare at the elephants all day with details to their feeding behaviour as well as feet or if these animals are illegally moved from other states and I am sure PDF indians also think that the supreme court did wrong to actually go check some of the handlers not having any owner certificate?



I already said the article answers you....


Its not in my powers...I suggest you write to the author (National geographic) and the film maker

You should ask to SpringOnion .I have seen her posts where she visited our state and enjoyed the serene nature of our temples (if I am not wrong ).
I have spend a lots of times in my temple .This elephant , his name is Kannan is very naughty .But noone allows him to be in chain when he is in temple .He is bit naughty .So devotees always kept a distance from him.

That is where this problem lies
'The one and only article'.

 

[Dubious]

That is where this problem lies
'The one and only article'.

Sadly the one and only article happens to have appeared in a very well established National geographic which anyone dealing with animals or science reads!

Let alone a "documentary" film (which won awards) made about this that too by a Canadian who just so happens to be from your state!

http://www.godsinshackles.com/

Many prominent Hindu priests are speaking out against the brutality inflicted upon the temple elephants, and in fact I've interviewed one of the most revered priests of Kerala who condemns the use of elephants in festivals. Many temples in Kerala are also realizing the devastation for both humans and elephants and have begun to use chariots instead.

So there is brutality and you going and saying there is no such thing kind of contradicts your own priests

on the website a priest and a veterinarian were among those who were interviewed:
http://www.godsinshackles.com/

 

[Supply&Demand]

Indian Elephants are on the endangered list while Cows are everywhere in India pooping on the streets like their followers.
If you have a thing for dogs ,go for it like the Chinese and Koreans and eat every dog alive on the street until unless they aren't endangered.

So the solution of u idiots is to butcher cows? Liberal logic - "Cows are pooping on streets so lets kill and eat them. And also, it is much tastier becoz cows are sacred in hinduism"
And 70 years of libtards rule has still not moved Indian Elephants from Endangered list?

 

[SrNair]

So National geographic is lying and lady is lying but every PDF indian is telling the truth based on single temples near the homes where they stare at the elephants all day with details to their feeding behaviour as well as feet or if these animals are illegally moved from other states and I am sure PDF indians also think that the supreme court did wrong to actually go check some of the handlers not having any owner certificate?



I already said the article answers you....


Its not in my powers...I suggest you write to the author (National geographic) and the film maker


Since when did National geographic become a lie?

You see that is the problem...You are ONLY seeing it as an important ancient tradition without looking at it from the torture the elephants are facing!


Then go write to them instead of protesting on a forum with ABSOLUTELY no statistics or proof!


Until and unless you have followed EVERY elephant you cant say there arent some that are mistreated and beaten!


I dont think about it as a state event...I think of it as a human nature to earn more - it isnt unheard of when men misuse animals for financial gains! Money makes the world go round!


Then where did she get approval to show her film? And I dont think she would be on National geographic if she didnt have evidence of what she claims!!


And that is ALL the article is highlighting! THE BAD GUYS so they will be caught - The only way to do that is point them out, raise awareness and get the sentenced!

National Geographic wouldnt be the last word in our traditions .Any vested interests can manipulate that programs if they want .
Our traditions protects and love this nature ,her animals .Only our traditions says ,one tree is equal to 10 son .
We have enough lobbies in here to do that job and they will handle them.

This where your problem lies .You see things only through a negative perspective (perhaps that because this is about India).Supporting and protecting an elephant is not an easy job .But they loves them as their own childrens .So most of them dont even cares about the expense .Because it is not feasible at all.

This is democracy so anyone can do whatever they want.

Bad guys ,most probably mahouts will be handle either public,police or by elephant.
Like I said you should visit our state to see this awareness.

 

[Dubious]

You see things only through a negative perspective

No I see an animal being beaten I am sure to raise my voice...I hear it is for religious purpose, I am going to slap that person coz I know no religion allows such BS! That is just me

Bad guys ,most probably mahouts will be handle either public,police or by elephant.
Like I said you should visit our state to see this awareness.

It is not about your state as a whole but about certain people who do take advantage...You need to know and realize when someone tries to make something into a business...Capitalists dont have a religion..they close their eyes for profits!

And by you denying it you are breeding them and helping them spread!

 

[gslv mk3]

A new documentary exposes the plight of Kerala’s temple elephants.

It seems you're working overtime finding everything negative about India. What happened ? Butt-hurt about RLV-TD ? Or is that something else ?

This is a part of our culture.You can cry all you want.

 

[SrNair]

Sadly the one and only article happens to have appeared in a very well established National geographic which anyone dealing with animals or science reads!

Let alone a "documentary" film (which won awards) made about this that too by a Canadian who just so happens to be from your state!

http://www.godsinshackles.com/



So there is brutality and you going and saying there is no such thing kind of contradicts your own priests

on the website a priest and a veterinarian were among those who were interviewed:
http://www.godsinshackles.com/

Whose awards ?
Western awards .Right ?


Of Course ,I agreed.Our elephant Kannan also faced brutality from his earlier mahout .But there is a believe in our area (perhaps a superstition for you) .One who hurt deity's assets ,in this case elephant wont live for long .And this mahout died after some time ,dont know the reason .
Anyway Animal protection dept of our state took the responsibility of Kannan after that and send him to Konni , a huge Elephant caring centre ,where he got luxurious treatment .
Recently our kid Kannan faced another problem he couldnt take food because of his long tusk .Then our TDB had to earn sanction from protection dept and under their supervision they removed a small bit of his tusk so he can take food.

No I see an animal being beaten I am sure to raise my voice...I hear it is for religious purpose, I am going to slap that person coz I know no religion allows such BS! That is just me


It is not about your state as a whole but about certain people who do take advantage...You need to know and realize when someone tries to make something into a business...Capitalists dont have a religion..they close their eyes for profits!

And by you denying it you are breeding them and helping them spread!

Then you should raise voice for the poor animals that killed during Eid .Right ?
I hope you will do that .

Capitalist??? .This is not a feasible business madam .You cant survive like that in Kerala .In most case it will be drunken mahout .
Maximum 5% .and you can see such reckless people in any profession .