Electricity should be sold at a different price in Lahore and Peshawar: Taimur Khan Jhagra

[hydrabadi_arab]

He has a very good point. KPK produces all this electricity. Same problem we have in AJK. We can be sat at the side of Mangla dam and not get electricity - meanwhile prices are through the roof.

Its BS point.

Pakistan dams max output is 7000MW and that too only 3 months a year. While Pakistan is generating 25k MW in summer and 12k MW in winter when all dams combined generate 1000MW.

The losses are pilling up and now paying consumers are burdened with bills because of theft. And also devaluation is increasing cost of everything.

Jhagra is justifying theft even though not everyone is stealing electricity in KP.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

It's not racists
Facts are facts
More electricity is stolen per capital in KP and more in total in punjab

KP produces 5x it's use for cheap hydro while almost nothing is produced by punjab

All hydro resources are controlled by center against the wishes of federation

I live in hazarat division and giving control to PESHAWAR will probably not change anything for us but I am talking about principles here

If u want a functional country you need a federation..if you want a federation you need to hand over the resources to each ptovince

That's how it is in any other country in the world

If you don't.. expect tensions like it is in any other country

When it comes to money people all of suddenly remember race..they don't remember race when punjab based govt in 2013-2018 allowed drones
They don't remember race when wheat transport was blocked

They don't remember race when refuges movement was stopped

They only remember racism when it comes to reaources

Mujeeb ur rehman and Fatima Jinnah were called traitors and racists for same reason

Fatima jinnah was blamed for pushtoonistan movement when she supported federation and was called mujeeb ur rehman lackey

Great to know that you are from hazarat and were effected by tarbela I have greta sympathies with you because I am effected too and weren't paid by federal govt when they procured our lands

We can sit together in ghazi and have a cup of tea when are you coming back to your home town??

Why tribals don't pay bills?
Well they never had because they were previously given free power from local hydro projects (warsak dam)

Kalabagh dam could produce as much electricity as Tarbela dam but racists from other provinces doesn't allow it.

Fact is KP govt is allowed to build their own dams. Only big ones are under federal control and thats because of their main purpose is to store water. And the fact that only all of Pakistan could pay $20 billion for dam like Bhasha or Dasu Dam.

KP govt own dams sell electricity to federal govt instead of distributing themselves and collecting revenue. Why is that? Because then federal govt will have to pay them one way or another meanwhile many in KP steal electricity under the nose of provincial govt.

KP govt get huge amount in the name of dam royalties from federal. KP have huge theft problem which is again payed by federal or people of Pakistan. Including many in KP who do pay their bills, they also are burdened with losses.

 

[ziaulislam]

Kalabagh dam could produce as much electricity as Tarbela dam but racists from other provinces doesn't allow it.

Fact is KP govt is allowed to build their own dams. Only big ones are under federal control and thats because of their main purpose is to store water. And the fact that only all of Pakistan could pay $20 billion for dam like Bhasha or Dasu Dam.

KP govt own dams sell electricity to federal govt instead of distributing themselves and collecting revenue. Why is that? Because then federal govt will have to pay them one way or another meanwhile many in KP steal electricity under the nose of provincial govt.

KP govt get huge amount in the name of dam royalties from federal. KP have huge theft problem which is again payed by federal or people of Pakistan. Including many in KP who do pay their bills, they also are burdened with losses.

Anyone from hazarat will say the same
Why allow dam and destroy a huge city if there are several other alternatives
When there is zero benefit to that province since dam all royalties will go to punjab but catchment area will be in KP


Nothing is complicated it all about each one looking for their interests

Modify the way how royalties are paid and you will see KP saying yes

Can you satisfy SINDH? Well good luck with that

Kalabagh dam could produce as much electricity as Tarbela dam but racists from other provinces doesn't allow it.

Fact is KP govt is allowed to build their own dams. Only big ones are under federal control and thats because of their main purpose is to store water. And the fact that only all of Pakistan could pay $20 billion for dam like Bhasha or Dasu Dam.

KP govt own dams sell electricity to federal govt instead of distributing themselves and collecting revenue. Why is that? Because then federal govt will have to pay them one way or another meanwhile many in KP steal electricity under the nose of provincial govt.

KP govt get huge amount in the name of dam royalties from federal. KP have huge theft problem which is again payed by federal or people of Pakistan. Including many in KP who do pay their bills, they also are burdened with losses.

Because federal govt doesn't want hand it over

Clearly ex finance min of KP said hand over power to us..federal govt said no way..we can't handle over 6000mw of hydro power to you guys

 

[PakAlp]

He has a very good point. KPK produces all this electricity. Same problem we have in AJK. We can be sat at the side of Mangla dam and not get electricity - meanwhile prices are through the roof.

In AJK announcements have been made to not pay any electricity bills until the federal government reduces the prices.

 

[S.Y.A]

So it's kinda stupid to say what you are saying

the only stupid thing here are the people who want to get paid for doing nothing. thats what you are advocating for, and that is what our awesome divinely inspired constitution says. turn people into beggars, who want free stuff.

 

[ziaulislam]

the only stupid thing here are the people who want to get paid for doing nothing. thats what you are advocating for, and that is what our awesome divinely inspired constitution says. turn people into beggars, who want free stuff.

Lol

When balochs and pushtoons ask to follow the normal norm which is federal takes taxation and province resources

You guys jump on pay this and pay that

It's called deflections

Give the distribution to provinces along with the power producing resources and let them manage it

With respect to stealing ..it's done everywhere including punjab though per capital it's 2.7 less

But losses in Lahore is TWICE THAT OF ISLAMABAD

Now pesco GETS ALMOST ALL OF ITS POWER FROM BRITISH ERA WARSAK dam

The dam wasn't even built by Pakistan it was built by the British people!!

If Pakistan has circular debt it's because of LESCO ..highest loss making organization not pesco

This is a fact

KP is subsidizing the power generation and sindh/balochistan gas

But is SINDH or KP getting cheaper wheat No

Wheat is cheaper in punjab as compared to balochistan but power isn't cheaper in balochistan or KP

Is this so hard to understand????

Just study USA and Canada or any other federation how the system works

Guy is saying it should priced differently just how FOOD IS PRICED DIFFERENTLY

why because production is different

This attitude was exactly the reason why Bengal introduced 6 points

If you want to take it by force..fine

But DONT PRETEND ITS FAIR

Also I am belong to hazara region so I don't like our area production subsidizing Peshawar but I am just quoting obvious facts and democratic norms around the world

 

[ziaulislam]

Food isn't even a good example but it's easy to understand for you guys

Pakistan will only move forward if consitution is followed and freedom fo expression is given

Alternatively if asim Munir becomes president for life

The hybrid system won't work

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

Govt should charge IPP to maintain transmission lines and electricity theft. Billions of rupees govt wires stolen every year.

Transmission lines are also being run on IPP mode, the companies which lay the transmission lines charge capacity charges, Terbella power station would produce only 500MW in winters but we have to pay capacity charges for 4500MW capacity charges. Wil KP allowed us to shift these idle capacity payment to the province too??

 

[ziaulislam]

Transmission lines are also being run on IPP mode, the companies which lay the transmission lines charge capacity charges, Terbella power station would produce only 500MW in winters but we have to pay capacity charges for 4500MW capacity charges. Wil KP allowed us to shift these idle capacity payment to the province too??

Lol your demand drops too
Transmission aren't privately owned so not sure what you are talking about
Except for the new high KEV line from thar to Lahore

Let's change topic

Don't charge differently food as well.
Balochistan should get wheat at the same price as lahore because it's locally produced

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

Here is a way.
Handover these dams to provinces and let them sell electricity for 5 Rs per unit to their consumers and excess electricity should be sold to Center at market price of 30 Rupees. From this amount, let those provinces pay back construction cost to center over 10 years. Let them also use this money to import wheat directly from international market. Punjab will not have to worry about its wheat being smuggled.

The affectees of these dams got land in Punjab for compensation of their land lost in the dams, Punjab paid the price in shape of three rivers, Ravi, Sutaj & Bias, which were given to India, in lieu of building these dams.

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

It's not disputed..it's unpaid

Disputed amount is beyond this this agrees reduced amount by federal govt in time of dictatorship without province agreement

Most of the electricity is stolen in punjab
That's fact ..even if u don't count the technical losses in a absolute amount most electricity is stolen in punjab followed by SINDH

Hand over all projects to provinces
Hand over all distribution centers to provinces

Just like it is in any federation

Only 3.18% electricity is stolen/lost in Punjab & Islamabad, against allowed limit of 3%,

In Punjab & Islamabad
- Electricity Purchased from PEPCO = 3140 billion
- Bills collected by DISCOs = 3040 billion
- Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 100 billion
- Percentage of Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 3.18%

In Rest of Pakistan
- Electricity Purchased from PEPCO = 1226 billion
- Bills collected by DISCOs = 737 billion
- Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 489 billion
- Percentage of Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 39.88%

Lol your demand drops too
Transmission aren't privately owned so not sure what you are talking about
Except for the new high KEV line from thar to Lahore

Let's change topic

Don't charge differently food as well.
Balochistan should get wheat at the same price as lahore because it's locally produced

 

[ziaulislam]

Only 3.18% electricity is stolen/lost in Punjab & Islamabad, against allowed limit of 3%,

In Punjab & Islamabad
- Electricity Purchased from PEPCO = 3140 billion
- Bills collected by DISCOs = 3040 billion
- Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 100 billion
- Percentage of Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 3.18%

In Rest of Pakistan
- Electricity Purchased from PEPCO = 1226 billion
- Bills collected by DISCOs = 737 billion
- Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 489 billion
- Percentage of Lost/ Stolen Electricity = 39.88%

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Your numbers are incorrect but I have learned not to fight with you on that

My question is why even 1% is allowed to be stolen why 3% is allowed(not talking of transmission losses)

Also topic is different electricity prices because eof production..as we don't want to accept international norms and common law (common sense law) of any federation

Why don't we use Pakistanis logic and make food prices similar in Lahore and Peshawar??or Lahore in balochistan

Wheat should be priced similar as we want power to price similar ? No???

If no why not??

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

Your numbers are incorrect but I have learned not to fight with you on that

My question is why even 1% is allowed to be stolen why 3% is allowed(not talking of transmission losses)

Also topic is different electricity prices because eof production..as we don't want to accept international norms and common law (common sense law) of any federation

Why don't we use Pakistanis logic and make food prices similar in Lahore and Peshawar??or Lahore in balochistan

Wheat should be priced similar as we want power to price similar ? No???

If no why not??

3% are T&D losses allowed, not theft.

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

Your numbers are incorrect but I have learned not to fight with you on that

My question is why even 1% is allowed to be stolen why 3% is allowed(not talking of transmission losses)

Also topic is different electricity prices because eof production..as we don't want to accept international norms and common law (common sense law) of any federation

Why don't we use Pakistanis logic and make food prices similar in Lahore and Peshawar??or Lahore in balochistan

Wheat should be priced similar as we want power to price similar ? No???

If no why not??

These figures were shared by Mr. Rashid Langrial (Secretary Power Division).

Wheat is being produced by farmers of Punjab as Apples are being produced by farmers of KP (Malakand), Punjab has no right to ask them to sale on lower price, electricity is being produced by Federal Government, so being sold by federal government.

KP's total requirement of wheat is 1.2 million ton, Punjab provides them 6 million tonn, they produce 100000 ton themselves, while rest of wheat is being provided to them by TCP.

 

[ziaulislam]

These figures were shared by Mr. Rashid Langrial (Secretary Power Division).

Wheat is being produced by farmers of Punjab as Apples are being produced by farmers of KP (Malakand), Punjab has no right to ask them to sale on lower price, electricity is being produced by Federal Government, so being sold by federal government.

KP's total requirement of wheat is 1.2 million ton, Punjab provides them 6 million tonn, they produce 100000 ton themselves, while rest of wheat is being provided to them by TCP.

What do you mean PRODUCED BY FEDERAL GOVT??
federal govt don't extend beyond islamabad
Per 1973 consitution hydropower wasn't a federal matter