Egypt's human rights situation is going from ugly to uglier

[Frogman]

@Frogman

Whats going on in the Sinai?
Some news about casualties among Egyptian soldiers in the area. :/

Extremist militant groups have been depleted in the Sinai, they are no longer able to fund or arm themselves sufficiently due to the tunnel closures which is also limiting their movement. They no longer attack forces stationed there due to the Army's conventional superiority which lead them to this point.

Now they use improvised explosive devices to target convoys, that so far has failed because the military uses electronic warfare measures when it has forces on the move, so remote detonated devices don't work. The militants have taken to hiding within the population which unfortunately has resulted in collateral damage but the affects of that have not been harsh since it's a rare occurrence. The military is continuing its raids which on the whole are quite successful, the leader of the most prominent group in the Sinai was killed in one a few days ago.

What is dangerous though now is the movement of fighters from the Sinai to the Delta, this has already had an impact with the death of 3 troops being transported in Cairo and a few days back 6 troops manning a checkpoint, both of these times the forces were not armed or on duty, it's a dirty war. Today we lost another two soldiers in a raid on militants, the forces killed five of them and captured another four, one of them was a commander in the most prominent militant group and another is suspected to have been involved in the killing of the six troops at the checkpoint, either way the raid put a dent on their bomb making capability as it was a raid on a bomb manufacturing factory they set up. Egypt will prevail and sooner than people think.

 

[Falcon29]

The situation in Sinai has nothing to do with the political process and developments in Egypt. It's a separate situation which the army is tasked with. It's not important when it comes to this discussion.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Extremist militant groups have been depleted in the Sinai, they are no longer able to fund or arm themselves sufficiently due to the tunnel closures which is also limiting their movement. They no longer attack forces stationed there due to the Army's conventional superiority which lead them to this point.

Now they use improvised explosive devices to target convoys, that so far has failed because the military uses electronic warfare measures when it has forces on the move, so remote detonated devices don't work. The militants have taken to hiding within the population which unfortunately has resulted in collateral damage but the affects of that have not been harsh since it's a rare occurrence. The military is continuing its raids which on the whole are quite successful, the leader of the most prominent group in the Sinai was killed in one a few days ago.

What is dangerous though now is the movement of fighters from the Sinai to the Delta, this has already had an impact with the death of 3 troops being transported in Cairo and a few days back 6 troops manning a checkpoint, both of these times the forces were not armed or on duty, it's a dirty war. Today we lost another two soldiers in a raid on militants, the forces killed five of them and captured another four, one of them was a commander in the most prominent militant group and another is suspected to have been involved in the killing of the six troops at the checkpoint, either way the raid put a dent on their bomb making capability as it was a raid on a bomb manufacturing factory they set up. Egypt will prevail and sooner than people think.

Thanks.
I hope situation calms down and Egypt restore to stability.

 

[Frogman]

The situation in Sinai has nothing to do with the political process and developments in Egypt. It's a separate situation which the army is tasked with. It's not important when it comes to this discussion.

Everything happening in the Sinai and elsewhere is related to the political crisis in Egypt, insurgencies don't just start out of thin air.

 

[Falcon29]

Everything happening in the Sinai and elsewhere is related to the political crisis in Egypt, insurgencies don't just start out of thin air.

Egypt's struggle is not a struggle against a few hundred militants in the Sinai. Egypt's struggle is it's political process and military control over civilian affairs and the economy. It's struggle is the one where any government would be ousted and be replaced with the same old military regime which is off the roofs in the corruption.

 

[Frogman]

Egypt's struggle is not a struggle against a few hundred militants in the Sinai. Egypt's struggle is it's political process and military control over civilian affairs and the economy. It's struggle is the one where any government would be ousted and be replaced with the same old military regime which is off the roofs in the corruption.

Is that really Egypt's struggle or is that what you perceive it to be because of your political views?

I'm guessing it's the latter, the presidential elections should be fun. I'll speak to you then...

 

[Falcon29]

Is that really Egypt's struggle or is that what you perceive it to be because of your political views?

I'm guessing it's the latter, the presidential elections should be fun. I'll speak to you then...

Nope, that is the struggle irregardless of the people embracing ignorance.

Egypt's elections are hardly going to be surprising, there will be legislation done to make sure no one other than Sisi could win, just like Bashar Al Assad. And he's going to come out with a decisive 90% plus victory.

You're a clueless idiot if you think the will of the Egyptian people would matter in military regime elections.

 

[Frogman]

Nope, that is the struggle irregardless of the people embracing ignorance.

Are they truly embracing ignorance or are they afraid of the alternatives?

They have four choices as far as I see it.

Pragmatic Islamists who will sell the average voter down the river for votes and an increase in power, also extremely incompetent and have a liking for divisive politics, will likely try to release a hated president form prison and seek revenge on the military ..

Principled youth who were the integral part of the 25th of Jan revolution, but, who have no experience in governance and only seem to complain without providing constructive arguments..

An established political figure who is popular and has been around for a long time, has popular socialist views, however, is a dubious character who is also hungry for power...

A representative of the most organised and strongest institution in the country who has brought about a widespread reforms in the forces and is known for his administrative skills and is also a political tactician but is extremely authoritarian...

Egypt's elections are hardly going to be surprising, there will be legislation done to make sure no one other than Sisi could win, just like Bashar Al Assad. And he's going to come out with a decisive 90% plus victory.

Any legislation would have already been put in place, the electoral rules remain largely the same and of course there will be international monitors, you are running on speculation.

You're a clueless idiot if you think the will of the Egyptian people would matter in military regime elections

It would certainly showcase the support they have in the nation, even the referendum showed that.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Egypt's struggle is not a struggle against a few hundred militants in the Sinai. Egypt's struggle is it's political process and military control over civilian affairs and the economy.

To be honest with you bro, this is not exclusive to Egypt. You just decribed all ME countries, including Iran.
If you look at my country, even that country is in reality, if we unmask the nature of the regime, a military dictatorship. I wouldnt even call it a theocratic Islamic regime.
Its just disguising itself as that.
Iran is essentially run by a military elite unit called the IRGC/Pasdaran/Sepah (they have many names).
They are dangerous entity which is controlling increasing part of economy.

I also hope that one day all ME countries will become more democratic. However Ive become sceptic of big revolutions. Such events can be hijacked by any political group, and once they come to power they do everything to consolidate it.

I think these democracy transitions will come with gradual reform and via increasing pressure from student and civil rights movements.

 

[Falcon29]

To be honest with you bro, this is not exclusive to Egypt. You just decribed all ME countries, including Iran.
If you look at my country, even that country is in reality, if we unmask the nature of the regime, a military dictatorship. I wouldnt even call it a theocratic Islamic regime. Its just masking itself as that.
Iran is essentially run by a military elite unit called the IRGC. They are dangerous entity which is controlling increasing part of economy.

I also hope that one day all ME countries will become more democratic. However Ive become sceptic of big revolutions. Such events can be hijacked by any political group, and once they come to power they do everything to consolidate it.

I think these democracy transitions will come with gradual reform and via increasing pressure from student and civil rights movements.

I know it isn't, but he's telling us the military regime is just and overwhelmingly supported by the people.

 

[Solomon2]

When a Jew cheers you on, you know your country has made bad decisions and you are headed in the wrong direction.

Antisemitism. You don't think Jews come with different political opinions?

I wasn't happy with Mubarak and I'm not happy with Sisi and the M-B was too incompetent to govern and rigged the system to eliminate democratic and constitutional checks and balances that would lawfully remove them from power. Hence the coup, but with that come fetters.

Perhaps the Obama Administration does have the right idea, withholding aid to Egypt's military. Since this Administration is one of proven incompetence in revolutionary matters, it probably should NOT dispense funds or materiél to anyone in Egypt at all.

 

[Solomon2]

However Ive become sceptic of big revolutions. Such events can be hijacked by any political group, and once they come to power they do everything to consolidate it.

Hence the importance of pushing democratic values, not just ousting the current maggot from the seat of power. Can you imagine what America would have been like had George Washington decided to tread the path to dictatorship and sent his troops into Colonial legislatures, relying on French money to support him instead? The U.S. would've become just as messed-up as many of the countries south of the Rio Grande, most of whom didn't achieve democratic rule until the 20th century.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Hence the importance of pushing democratic values, not just ousting the current maggot from the seat of power. Can you imagine what America would have been like had George Washington decided to tread the path to dictatorship and sent his troops into Colonial legislatures, relying on French money to support him instead? The U.S. would've become just as messed-up as many of the countries south of the Rio Grande, most of whom didn't achieve democratic rule until the 20th century.

Thats a good point.
There needs to be a culture of democracy established. Its a struggle, and not a one-time event that people can point to and say "thats where they got democracy". Doesnt work that way.
It took the French several tries and overthrowing a number of French republics before they got better at it.

 

[Falcon29]

Hence the importance of pushing democratic values, not just ousting the current maggot from the seat of power. Can you imagine what America would have been like had George Washington decided to tread the path to dictatorship and sent his troops into Colonial legislatures, relying on French money to support him instead? The U.S. would've become just as messed-up as many of the countries south of the Rio Grande, most of whom didn't achieve democratic rule until the 20th century.

Just so you know, being democratic doesn't mean we will go against religion nor does it mean we will accept the illegal Jewish colony in Palestine.

 

[Popeye Turbo]

Just so you know, being democratic doesn't mean we will go against religion nor does it mean we will accept the illegal Jewish colony in Palestine.

You don't have to accept it, but it's the reality and it's here to stay and it's flourishing.

Absolutely flourishing.