Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

Egyptian Sukhoi35 spotted. Apparently ready to deliver

Of all people! lol you beat me to it. I was just going to post those.

Here's the link:

Satellite image shows first Egypt’s Su-35 fighter jets in Komsomolsk-on-Amur

https://defence-blog.com/news/satel...su-35-fighter-jets-in-komsomolsk-on-amur.html

Seems like the same exact camo as the MiG-35s.

 

[The SC]

Of all people! lol you beat me to it. I was just going to post those.

Here's the link:

Satellite image shows first Egypt’s Su-35 fighter jets in Komsomolsk-on-Amur

https://defence-blog.com/news/satel...su-35-fighter-jets-in-komsomolsk-on-amur.html

Seems like the same exact camo as the MiG-35s.

Heard somewhere 5 SU-35 might be delivered to the EAF this year.. This makes sense as 5 will be for training and 24 will be delivered till 2023.. just rumours though..

 

[Gomig-21]

Heard somewhere 5 SU-35 might be delivered to the EAF this year.. This makes sense as 5 will be for training and 24 will be delivered till 2023.. just rumours though..

Twitter is buzzing with great comments very supportive of Egypt that are overwhelming the haters, strangely enough. Some are fairly questioning whether that's the VVS blue and not necessarily Egyptian. But one guy showed this closeup which looks and seems much closer to the EAF's MiG-35's blue.

Click image to enlarge.

And here's a present for you and Amun and our Indian friends on this thread.

Ya halawa! Click also

 

[Gomig-21]

Alpha jet elephant walk.

Mi-17

EN Swiftships patrol boat.

Greek brothers solidarity.

Followed by a dose of some of this.

Ah yes, the rare EAF Mi-24 Hinds lol. Any other AF operate the Apache, the Ka-52 and the Hind? Must be a logistical nightmare to have so many different types of helicopters, not to mention the Gazelles, Mi-17, AW-149, Blackhawks, Seasprites, Chinooks, Seakings lol. Did I forget any?

 

[Gomig-21]

Bos 3al gamal da ya SC.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

The Su looks absolutely stunning, I love the way the Rafale looks in the air but the Su with the clean lines looks really purpose-built.
In a merge, it would not be pretty for the adversary although, considering the capability

And this purchase is also addressing a big void in the the heavy class that was there.

 

[The SC]

Bos 3al gamal da ya SC.

Top Gamal..real nice aesthetics and elegance hiding very potent capabilities and weapons..

 

[nomi007]

Why Egypt is collecting so much weapons.

 

[Gomig-21]

The Su looks absolutely stunning, I love the way the Rafale looks in the air but the Su with the clean lines looks really purpose-built.
In a merge, it would not be pretty for the adversary although, considering the capability

And this purchase is also addressing a big void in the the heavy class that was there.

Interesting that you bring up the merge because in this day and age of all fighting being designed and geared for standoff and BVR ranges, what are the percentages that we would see merging and ensuing dogfigting in a conflict between two forces that both have advanced fighters with BVR missiles and IFF and early warning as well as electronic warfare capabilities and all this crazy stuff to give the advantage to the first eye that sees at the furthest distance that we would actually see any dogfighting? I think it's pretty interesting because it seems like merges and close encounters are still bound to happen despite all this new, standoff technology because most of the latest encounters we have seen to date have been close encounters with the exception of one or two. And how will stealth change the dynamics of encounters between say an Su-35 and all its BVR tech and super long range radar vs an F-35? We still haven't seen a real-life dynamic involving F-35s but we've heard of deep interdiction missions by the F-22 where it wasn't seen at all. So it will be interesting to see if all these maneuvers and slow speed capabilities will pay off in actual, war encounters.

Do IAF pilots take the Su-30MKI at airshows and fly it like the way Sergei Bogdan does in that video you posted? I've not really seen any other Sukhoi pilots other than Russians to perform all these cobras and kulbits and tail slides etc. Wondering if any IAF pilots have done that with the magnificent Su-30MKI?

Why Egypt is collecting so much weapons.

2 reasons. First one and the main reason is basically a long-needed modernization of the armed forces that had not been modernized in 30+ years. It was way overdue and all of these new aircraft are replacing the many old ones between a bunch of MiG-21s, F-4E Phantoms, F-7s and Mirage V. Those 4 aircraft accounted for at least 200 AC in the airforce. The 2nd reason is because look around the Middle East and see what's happening, between Iraq, Syria, Libya and other tensions a bit further away and a new enemy rearing its ugly head right next door to us that we literally have 4 fronts to defend. So we need a very strong and modern military and that's what's happening. We also have a powerful, existential threat that looms to our far south and diplomacy had been used to try and solve it (which is how Egypt always handles all its problems first) and diplomacy is much more powerful when spoken from a position of strength, vs outdated and old.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Do IAF pilots take the Su-30MKI at airshows and fly it like the way Sergei Bogdan does in that video you posted? I've not really seen any other Sukhoi pilots other than Russians to perform all these cobras and kulbits and tail slides etc. Wondering if any IAF pilots have done that with the magnificent Su-30MKI?

Completely agree on Close combat especially with near peer competitors with no decisive edge.
And to be very frank very few do it better as compared to the Russians, their doctrine,refined over decades has led them to this.
Oh and the Su aerobatics is rare to see for the public, but here is an old one from a while back but the quality of the video is poor.

 

[Gomig-21]

Completely agree on Close combat especially with near peer competitors with no decisive edge.
And to be very frank very few do it better as compared to the Russians, their doctrine,refined over decades has led them to this.
Oh and the Su aerobatics is rare to see for the public, but here is an old one from a while back but the quality of the video is poor.

That is great stuff. He did a lot of minimum radius turns and even did a tail slide which was awesome. You're right about the Russians I think they get more of a "cart blanch", so to speak, to push these aircraft to their limits as opposed to other air forces who use their aircraft. The latter have to abide by a much stricter set of rules as to their flight routines and how far they can push the aircraft.

The one thing I've always loved about the Su-30 is obviously the 2 seats (really gives it that famous "swan look") but more so the canards. They seem to function more as close-coupled canards then they do as movable horizontal surfaces like the rear H-stabs since the aircraft already has those. Either way, those two items mark the main differences between this model and the Su-35. Good stuff.

BTW, someone had mentioned the arms procurement numbers between Indian and Egypt and I looked into it briefly and found this chart from Sipri for arms imports between 2015 - 2019. Egypt is 3rd after India and of course, Saudiya.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

That is great stuff. He did a lot of minimum radius turns and even did a tail slide which was awesome. You're right about the Russians I think they get more of a "cart blanch", so to speak, to push these aircraft to their limits as opposed to other air forces who use their aircraft. The latter have to abide by a much stricter set of rules as to their flight routines and how far they can push the aircraft.

Russian Test Pilots are just BOSS!(The are ones who take to the limit and almost always beyond as well)
In India the legend of the MiG-21(First Soviet aircraft to serve with the IAF) started with Yuri Gagarin, who piloted the MiG-21 prototype on the first flight.

The one thing I've always loved about the Su-30 is obviously the 2 seats (really gives it that famous "swan look") but more so the canards. They seem to function more as close-coupled canards then they do as movable horizontal surfaces like the rear H-stabs since the aircraft already has those. Either way, those two items mark the main differences between this model and the Su-35. Good stuff.

Funnily enough India has never operated single seater Su. Requirements were borne out by missions as the Su was the first "Multirole"(In the true sense) fighter with the IAF.
But the Canards are computer controlled(as is the case with all aircraft now) and has good degree of movement.
Extreme case here(although I have never seen this position in flight)

BTW, someone had mentioned the arms procurement numbers between Indian and Egypt and I looked into it briefly and found this chart from Sipri for arms imports between 2015 - 2019. Egypt is 3rd after India and of course, Saudiya.

Yes, all three nations are big, old and in tough neighbourhoods.
Lots of challenges and not much time to prepare.

 

[Gomig-21]

Funnily enough India has never operated single seater Su. Requirements were borne out by missions as the Su was the first "Multirole"(In the true sense) fighter with the IAF.

I'll tell ya, at first I was baffled like most were at India's request for the Su-57 to be a 2 seater, probably because most of us were influenced by the F-22 and maybe even the F-35 being out at the time that 2 seat aircraft were a thing of the past with those two and with the function of the rear seater mostly automated now to a certain extent. But when I look at an aircraft the size of these Sukhois and the multitude of weaponry along with all the other incredibly important functions, I think it's still better for these aircraft to have a WSO at the least. So my opinion on that has changed despite all the networking that has been advanced in the role of fighter jets to make the pilot's workload a lot less, I still think it's a lot and should be relegated to 2 pilots sharing the workload instead of just one.

 

[BordoEnes]

Can anyone actually explain to me why Egypt is purchasing so many weapons from so many different sources? It honestly seems likes logistical and mechanical nightmare, especially considering there is next to no local industry involvement.

 

[Gomig-21]

Sisi inspecting AA/AD units equipped with Buk-M/M2 & Tor-M2 A/D systems today at Sidi Barani military base in western Egypt.

Funnily enough India has never operated single seater Su. Requirements were borne out by missions as the Su was the first "Multirole"(In the true sense) fighter with the IAF.
But the Canards are computer controlled(as is the case with all aircraft now) and has good degree of movement.
Extreme case here(although I have never seen this position in flight)

Sometimes when Russian pilots are going ape s**t lol with that Su-30 and doing backflips or whatever, you can see those canards tweaking to that maximum point. But only when they're performing those crazy maneuvers etc. Otherwise, in normal operations I think you're right, their deflection is more minimal since I do beleive those act as close-coupled canards to influence the flow of air over the wings, rather than actual moving surfaces to control the aircraft itself.

That does bring me to the Su-57, though, and the very interesting and quite innovative design of the built-in/blended canards on that airfraft and what the possible use of them could be?

If you look at how far down they're deflected in that picture, it's certainly pushing a lot of air over the LERX of the aircraft and not necessarily over the wings because of their location. The wing root is further out past the end of those canards and so could the air actually be shifted further to the outside of the fuselage and over the wings? It's really hard to tell. But one thing for sure is that they certainly wanted to include them in the design of this aircraft and so they obviously have a good reason based on all the wind tunnel testing they must've performed on this aircraft.

A lot of moving surfaces on this aircraft as well as the Su-30. There's essentially 12 all together, between the canards, the leading edge flaps, ailerons, flaps, horizontal stabilizers and the all-movable vertical stabilizers or full rudders. But the automated use of these canards is really interesting because of their location.