Egyptian Armed Forces

[Ghostkiller]

The Egyptian Navy is preparing to receive the new missile ship Gowind 2500 "Ismailia"

Not only buy it.. most likely co-produce it..

Thebes-30 E-June-30 and this will be a deadly combo if used correctly with armaments produce in Egypt.

 

[Buschlaid]

There is a chance that we will buy it in the future.

Shame Vilkha wasn't bought. Very capable system.

 

[Ghostkiller]

Shame Vilkha wasn't bought. Very capable system.

i was talking about the drone and not the MLRS.

 

[Ghostkiller]

https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/article/60457-egypt-cetc-and-radars-tot

Egypt,CETC, and radars ToT

The Egyptian Ministry of Military Production (MoMP) is reported to be in advanced talks with China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC) for a transfer of technology (ToT) and production agreement concerning radars.

 

[Ghostkiller]

As Asian firms compete for Egyptian military aircraft deals, Cairo eyes local production - Breaking Defense

India and South Korea are competing on a light attack deal that analysts say could boost Egypt’s domestic production and knowledge base.

breakingdefense.com

Great analysis (something that we are talked about it). @sami_1 can Egypt upgrade the MK1A to MK2 if the deal is signed or we must change the whole airframe, and the production infrastructure do it?

 

[Ghostkiller]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1570139328332066816

Looks like we are getting some weapons hahahaha

 

[sami_1]

As Asian firms compete for Egyptian military aircraft deals, Cairo eyes local production - Breaking Defense

India and South Korea are competing on a light attack deal that analysts say could boost Egypt’s domestic production and knowledge base.

breakingdefense.com

Great analysis (something that we are talked about it). @sami_1 can Egypt upgrade the MK1A to MK2 if the deal is signed or we must change the whole airframe, and the production infrastructure do it?

politically and internationally

We must bear in mind things that some do not see, but they are clearly visible. Europe as an entity that will not have the future like the countries of Asia. India and China will be the main economic and technological countries in the future. Europe sells its assets to India. India bought Nokia and some European car companies. The Indian market is huge, with 1500 million people.
Europe's technology, its products are no longer and will not be the most technical in the future, Europe has failed to produce a fifth generation fighter, and the European sixth generation fighter project is reeling, consequently the shrinkage of European markets and the Russian and American war against Europe in Ukraine

This led to the arrival of energy to India and China at a very low cost to develop the economies of these countries with the weakening of the European economies.

The West sees Egyptian cooperation with India as better than cooperation with the Chinese beast, as I still see the West that India is a vassal to them and is easy to control.

The West failed when it refused to transfer technology to countries. In the past, these countries turned to China and are heading to Southeast Asian countries and India now

Is cooperation in the production of light aircraft with South Korea better or India?
South Korea The T-50 plane project is a joint project between Lockheed Martin and South Korea.
South Korea is dependent on America, so you will in any case be subject to American policies and restrictions on technology transfer to Egypt.
Some see the licensing program for the production of the Korean K-9A1 cannon useful for Egypt, although Egypt simply had with a limited investment of less than 100 million dollars to develop a parallel cannon locally. Consequently, Egypt purchased 200 cannons and 100 support vehicles of ammunition and fire management at a value of 1.6 billion dollars, in addition to the cost of production licenses From South Korea, huge numbers, especially you. Why is this subtraction from my side, because simply Egypt was able to produce the M109 cannon locally by reverse engineering in the past in a project and you are taking over one of the 3 largest tank factories in the world, the 200 factory, which failed from its beginning until this moment in reaching an economic production of its products, so its power plant Up to 40 tanks per month, the production was 4 tanks of the M1A1 model per month, and it was forbidden to convert to the production of heavy civilian equipment with a capacity of 5,000 prepared annually, and we tried to produce a local loader, which was a well-deserved failure and did not produce and will not have a market because it did not take into account the needs of local and international markets and the level of quality required because it is in In the end, a government factory sees adding a tomato sauce production line to improve the economic feasibility of the factory. The production of tanks and armored vehicles has grown on a global level.

That is, simply, cooperation with South Korea depends on administrative failure and failure to attract professionals and train continuous development and design entities, as a result of considering any spending on scientific research a waste of resources and the menial salaries they provide to employees that only attract the failure in the first place, and as a result, the military production has produced less than one billion dollars since the eighties annually. So far, without any real development or growth, so it is strange that cooperation with South Korea is the best drain on the limited Egyptian financial resources and the development of opportunities not to build a national Kurds or a developed private sector. An unknown Emirati comes to participate in the government, which opens all doors for him, as long as personal interests, not national ones, have been taken into account for some in decision-making entities

LCA TEJAS aircraft project
The aircraft is upgradable to the LCA MKA1 model
India announced its ability to reduce the price by an additional 4 million dollars
The plane can also be reduced in weight by 400 kg
The aircraft has a thermal and radar signature as low as RCS 0.3 meters, unlike the Korean, which has a much larger radar signature, up to twice as much

That is, simply some limited improvement in the engine's thrust ability, or the use of another engine, such as the French M88, with a thrust between 21,000-24,000 lbs.
Or go directly to the GE-414 engine, or further develop the GE-404 IN20 . engine
To increase the boost capacity to 21,000 lbs
France can provide that the LCA-MK1A aircraft becomes very high-performance and there is no need for the LCA MK2 aircraft from some development of the LCA-MK1A aircraft, with the reduction of the weight of the aircraft and the development of the UTTAM radar or even the use of radar from Leonardo and can be produced in a comprehensive deal, for example 120+ radar for the LCA plane may rise The number to 250 planes, where production licenses are up to 250 planes between Egypt and India
The proposed radar lights can be fitted to the aircraft with derivative versions of it for the MIG-29M and MIRAGE-2000 aircraft.
In the event that Egypt obtains 24 Emirates MIRAGE-200-9 aircraft


The LCA-MKEG plane
Its specification can be upgraded to
Internal fuel up to 2800 kg and propulsion capacity
Ammunition weight up to 5.3 tons
The maximum take-off weight is 14 tons
The engine thrust capacity starts from 21,000 pounds, and we do not need, as we can see, for the LCA MK2

When Egypt acquired the Mirage 2000, it assembled the MAGIC-2 missile
The K-8E assembled the PL-7 missile, which is the Chinese version of the MAGIC-2 missile

India offers ammunition and the most important of them
ASTRA-1/2 in the near future
The BRAHMOS-NG missile, which can be equipped with the MIRAGE-2000 / RAFALE / MIG-29M aircraft
RUDRAM-2 multipurpose missile
whether anti-radiation missile
Or copy the atmosphere of the earth and the atmosphere of the surface
India will accept technology transfer in case of MEAGA DEAL

To illustrate a simple example, at least 600 ASTRA-2 missiles
300 - 500 BRAHMOS-NG missiles
300 RUDRAM-2 missiles
As initial orders, India will provide two missiles for local production, one of them is BVR and the other is air-to-ground / air-to-surface because your requests exceed 1000 different missiles

The LCA can be equipped with French METEOR/MICA-NG munitions and HAMMER bombs
It can be supplied with Russian munitions and an open source for any Egyptian munitions. In the Egyptian case, the requests are huge and a billion-dollar deal over 10 years.

Instead of producing the LCA-MK2, Egypt may go directly to the plane under development TEDBF

The same thing is that Egypt may choose a plane derived from the Indian CATS for local production, and there is also cooperation in another drone with India

India thought about technology transfer and the Egyptian domestic market for the plane


The levels of technology transfer from India are much higher than that of South Korea. It is an Indian policy that considers open sources and the provision of technology transfer an acquired right. This is the reason why India developed in the software industry in the past by publishing programs, information and courses on software popularly, which led to its development

India sees the technology transfer process as an advantage for its sale of the aircraft, while South Korea is primarily targeting high profit only. South Korea sells the FA-50 for 60 million dollars to Poland, and in the case of the Malaysian deal, the price will also be very high.

Therefore, Egypt can obtain from India the transfer of various technologies, whether in Avionics aircraft. The matter here is not to assemble an aircraft or transfer limited techniques related to the structure, but it can develop into a package of Avionics systems and components used in many aircraft as well.

Egypt will not produce less than 120 aircraft, on the contrary, the size of the local market could rise even greater

It needs 70 training planes and 10 aerobatics and air games
In the case of Egypt, marketing for being a pilot training center for Africa, with the high cost of training facilities, becomes more economically feasible for African countries to train pilots in Egypt, which makes Egypt need additional numbers of aircraft, not less than 30 other aircraft. African to expand
Production as a form of marketing
In addition to the need for 50 other fighters with an improved version of LCA-TAJAS or TEDBF instead of 50 MIG-35 aircraft
In other words, the real Egyptian requests will not be less than 160 aircraft, only for the Egyptian market in the export markets for African air weapons and some Arab countries that have small air weapons or need an alternative to ALPHJET/HAWK
Transferring technology in aviation systems from India will be the beginning of development. The future in Egypt will change and the private sector will become dominant, unlike the army’s control over everything, because it will inevitably fail.
The economy will be handed over to the private sector. The private sector is what will develop the Egyptian industry in general, because its orientation will have to develop products, unlike failed government companies such as AOI and MOAP, which remained 50 years at the same level without real development, but its ability collapsed, such as destroying the aircraft industry for the past ten years. In AOI, because the system in Egypt is originally affiliated with Europe, and to develop the European economy, we limit these entities. Their ability to manufacture tanks and even jeeps has collapsed, so we want someone to tell us about AAV products now, or the products of the Egyptian aircraft factory or the Egyptian helicopter factory, we have been saying for years that Egypt will turn to industry For reasons related to the large size of the military requirements and the inability of the Egyptian economy to purchase weapons from abroad in quantities sufficient for the needs of the Egyptian Air Force, and we all saw the difficulties of obtaining European or Russian fighters
European arms restrictions

Coming to another point, the LCA plane is supposed to start to produce a local plane, such as the Chinese FC-35 or AMCA with the 5.5G FIGHTERS.

Coming to another point, the Indian plane LCH with its current technology will not find it acceptable, but with developments in the engines, the plane's propeller blades, the redesign of the plane, becomes good and competitive, and if you are the best upgraded version of the Z-10ME plane
But many factors, including India wants to transfer technology to Egypt, India will not simply place restrictions on local development programs because it wants to make itself a real source of arms, and it will not reach this level except by selling arms to a country like Egypt, as it is the only customer that has saved billions of dollars and a good reputation for Indian products

The same is true for an upgraded version of the Dhruv ALH aircraft, according to Western safety and quality standards used in Egypt.
And the size of the Egyptian market for the two LCH/ALH planes exceeds 240 planes, apart from any export deals

There is a difficulty in exporting weapons due to the lack of competence and experience, and also because they are government companies that cannot pay bribes to arms importers, in addition to Egypt’s inability to advertise well for local weapons, as Egypt has 2 arms exhibitions.

In the Indian-Egyptian negotiations, cooperation in the development of jet engines was mentioned. Is it flying with aircraft engines, cruise missile engines, or others? It was not specified, but we are a point in consideration, and of course South Korea is prohibited by America from providing such cooperation
There is a difference between assembling a plane with South Korea, which only serves to reduce the cost of the plane, because the salaries for the Egyptians are very low, and the production of a self-propelled gun, its technology is not high. So that Egypt does not turn to Russia or China in the production of tanks, for example, while the matter with India is different, especially as India is moving from the stage of providing medium-performance technology to the most advanced, gradually driven by the size of its huge market and the availability of specialized cadres in large numbers, as well as the expansion of the Indian private sector in the defense industries side

The last point is the Egyptian-Indian cooperation that will make there competition from China and flexibility from Europe in the transfer of technology, because we simply will not be competitive in price or technology, rarely offered by other countries.


Negotiating power factors between Egypt and India
It is the size of the huge and diverse Egyptian demands in a whole series of equipment in the field of aviation, sea and land, which provides long-term cooperation between the two countries and the quality of qualities increases as it increases the more there becomes flexibility in the field of cooperation in the field of technology transfer. Financial, which determines the volume of local manufacturing and the volume of technology transfer

 

[Ghostkiller]

politically and internationally
View attachment 882267
We must bear in mind things that some do not see, but they are clearly visible. Europe as an entity that will not have the future like the countries of Asia. India and China will be the main economic and technological countries in the future. Europe sells its assets to India. India bought Nokia and some European car companies. The Indian market is huge, with 1500 million people.
Europe's technology, its products are no longer and will not be the most technical in the future, Europe has failed to produce a fifth generation fighter, and the European sixth generation fighter project is reeling, consequently the shrinkage of European markets and the Russian and American war against Europe in Ukraine

This led to the arrival of energy to India and China at a very low cost to develop the economies of these countries with the weakening of the European economies.

The West sees Egyptian cooperation with India as better than cooperation with the Chinese beast, as I still see the West that India is a vassal to them and is easy to control.

The West failed when it refused to transfer technology to countries. In the past, these countries turned to China and are heading to Southeast Asian countries and India now

Is cooperation in the production of light aircraft with South Korea better or India?
South Korea The T-50 plane project is a joint project between Lockheed Martin and South Korea.
South Korea is dependent on America, so you will in any case be subject to American policies and restrictions on technology transfer to Egypt.
Some see the licensing program for the production of the Korean K-9A1 cannon useful for Egypt, although Egypt simply had with a limited investment of less than 100 million dollars to develop a parallel cannon locally. Consequently, Egypt purchased 200 cannons and 100 support vehicles of ammunition and fire management at a value of 1.6 billion dollars, in addition to the cost of production licenses From South Korea, huge numbers, especially you. Why is this subtraction from my side, because simply Egypt was able to produce the M109 cannon locally by reverse engineering in the past in a project and you are taking over one of the 3 largest tank factories in the world, the 200 factory, which failed from its beginning until this moment in reaching an economic production of its products, so its power plant Up to 40 tanks per month, the production was 4 tanks of the M1A1 model per month, and it was forbidden to convert to the production of heavy civilian equipment with a capacity of 5,000 prepared annually, and we tried to produce a local loader, which was a well-deserved failure and did not produce and will not have a market because it did not take into account the needs of local and international markets and the level of quality required because it is in In the end, a government factory sees adding a tomato sauce production line to improve the economic feasibility of the factory. The production of tanks and armored vehicles has grown on a global level.

That is, simply, cooperation with South Korea depends on administrative failure and failure to attract professionals and train continuous development and design entities, as a result of considering any spending on scientific research a waste of resources and the menial salaries they provide to employees that only attract the failure in the first place, and as a result, the military production has produced less than one billion dollars since the eighties annually. So far, without any real development or growth, so it is strange that cooperation with South Korea is the best drain on the limited Egyptian financial resources and the development of opportunities not to build a national Kurds or a developed private sector. An unknown Emirati comes to participate in the government, which opens all doors for him, as long as personal interests, not national ones, have been taken into account for some in decision-making entities
View attachment 882268

LCA TEJAS aircraft project
The aircraft is upgradable to the LCA MKA1 model
India announced its ability to reduce the price by an additional 4 million dollars
The plane can also be reduced in weight by 400 kg
The aircraft has a thermal and radar signature as low as RCS 0.3 meters, unlike the Korean, which has a much larger radar signature, up to twice as much

That is, simply some limited improvement in the engine's thrust ability, or the use of another engine, such as the French M88, with a thrust between 21,000-24,000 lbs.
Or go directly to the GE-414 engine, or further develop the GE-404 IN20 . engine
To increase the boost capacity to 21,000 lbs
France can provide that the LCA-MK1A aircraft becomes very high-performance and there is no need for the LCA MK2 aircraft from some development of the LCA-MK1A aircraft, with the reduction of the weight of the aircraft and the development of the UTTAM radar or even the use of radar from Leonardo and can be produced in a comprehensive deal, for example 120+ radar for the LCA plane may rise The number to 250 planes, where production licenses are up to 250 planes between Egypt and India
The proposed radar lights can be fitted to the aircraft with derivative versions of it for the MIG-29M and MIRAGE-2000 aircraft.
In the event that Egypt obtains 24 Emirates MIRAGE-200-9 aircraft


The LCA-MKEG plane
Its specification can be upgraded to
Internal fuel up to 2800 kg and propulsion capacity
Ammunition weight up to 5.3 tons
The maximum take-off weight is 14 tons
The engine thrust capacity starts from 21,000 pounds, and we do not need, as we can see, for the LCA MK2

When Egypt acquired the Mirage 2000, it assembled the MAGIC-2 missile
The K-8E assembled the PL-7 missile, which is the Chinese version of the MAGIC-2 missile

India offers ammunition and the most important of them
ASTRA-1/2 in the near future
The BRAHMOS-NG missile, which can be equipped with the MIRAGE-2000 / RAFALE / MIG-29M aircraft
RUDRAM-2 multipurpose missile
whether anti-radiation missile
Or copy the atmosphere of the earth and the atmosphere of the surface
India will accept technology transfer in case of MEAGA DEAL

To illustrate a simple example, at least 600 ASTRA-2 missiles
300 - 500 BRAHMOS-NG missiles
300 RUDRAM-2 missiles
As initial orders, India will provide two missiles for local production, one of them is BVR and the other is air-to-ground / air-to-surface because your requests exceed 1000 different missiles

The LCA can be equipped with French METEOR/MICA-NG munitions and HAMMER bombs
It can be supplied with Russian munitions and an open source for any Egyptian munitions. In the Egyptian case, the requests are huge and a billion-dollar deal over 10 years.

View attachment 882270
Instead of producing the LCA-MK2, Egypt may go directly to the plane under development TEDBF

The same thing is that Egypt may choose a plane derived from the Indian CATS for local production, and there is also cooperation in another drone with India

View attachment 882272
India thought about technology transfer and the Egyptian domestic market for the plane


The levels of technology transfer from India are much higher than that of South Korea. It is an Indian policy that considers open sources and the provision of technology transfer an acquired right. This is the reason why India developed in the software industry in the past by publishing programs, information and courses on software popularly, which led to its development

India sees the technology transfer process as an advantage for its sale of the aircraft, while South Korea is primarily targeting high profit only. South Korea sells the FA-50 for 60 million dollars to Poland, and in the case of the Malaysian deal, the price will also be very high.

Therefore, Egypt can obtain from India the transfer of various technologies, whether in Avionics aircraft. The matter here is not to assemble an aircraft or transfer limited techniques related to the structure, but it can develop into a package of Avionics systems and components used in many aircraft as well.

Egypt will not produce less than 120 aircraft, on the contrary, the size of the local market could rise even greater

It needs 70 training planes and 10 aerobatics and air games
In the case of Egypt, marketing for being a pilot training center for Africa, with the high cost of training facilities, becomes more economically feasible for African countries to train pilots in Egypt, which makes Egypt need additional numbers of aircraft, not less than 30 other aircraft. African to expand
Production as a form of marketing
In addition to the need for 50 other fighters with an improved version of LCA-TAJAS or TEDBF instead of 50 MIG-35 aircraft
In other words, the real Egyptian requests will not be less than 160 aircraft, only for the Egyptian market in the export markets for African air weapons and some Arab countries that have small air weapons or need an alternative to ALPHJET/HAWK
Transferring technology in aviation systems from India will be the beginning of development. The future in Egypt will change and the private sector will become dominant, unlike the army’s control over everything, because it will inevitably fail.
The economy will be handed over to the private sector. The private sector is what will develop the Egyptian industry in general, because its orientation will have to develop products, unlike failed government companies such as AOI and MOAP, which remained 50 years at the same level without real development, but its ability collapsed, such as destroying the aircraft industry for the past ten years. In AOI, because the system in Egypt is originally affiliated with Europe, and to develop the European economy, we limit these entities. Their ability to manufacture tanks and even jeeps has collapsed, so we want someone to tell us about AAV products now, or the products of the Egyptian aircraft factory or the Egyptian helicopter factory, we have been saying for years that Egypt will turn to industry For reasons related to the large size of the military requirements and the inability of the Egyptian economy to purchase weapons from abroad in quantities sufficient for the needs of the Egyptian Air Force, and we all saw the difficulties of obtaining European or Russian fighters
European arms restrictions

Coming to another point, the LCA plane is supposed to start to produce a local plane, such as the Chinese FC-35 or AMCA with the 5.5G FIGHTERS.

Coming to another point, the Indian plane LCH with its current technology will not find it acceptable, but with developments in the engines, the plane's propeller blades, the redesign of the plane, becomes good and competitive, and if you are the best upgraded version of the Z-10ME plane
But many factors, including India wants to transfer technology to Egypt, India will not simply place restrictions on local development programs because it wants to make itself a real source of arms, and it will not reach this level except by selling arms to a country like Egypt, as it is the only customer that has saved billions of dollars and a good reputation for Indian products

The same is true for an upgraded version of the Dhruv ALH aircraft, according to Western safety and quality standards used in Egypt.
And the size of the Egyptian market for the two LCH/ALH planes exceeds 240 planes, apart from any export deals

There is a difficulty in exporting weapons due to the lack of competence and experience, and also because they are government companies that cannot pay bribes to arms importers, in addition to Egypt’s inability to advertise well for local weapons, as Egypt has 2 arms exhibitions.

View attachment 882273

In the Indian-Egyptian negotiations, cooperation in the development of jet engines was mentioned. Is it flying with aircraft engines, cruise missile engines, or others? It was not specified, but we are a point in consideration, and of course South Korea is prohibited by America from providing such cooperation
There is a difference between assembling a plane with South Korea, which only serves to reduce the cost of the plane, because the salaries for the Egyptians are very low, and the production of a self-propelled gun, its technology is not high. So that Egypt does not turn to Russia or China in the production of tanks, for example, while the matter with India is different, especially as India is moving from the stage of providing medium-performance technology to the most advanced, gradually driven by the size of its huge market and the availability of specialized cadres in large numbers, as well as the expansion of the Indian private sector in the defense industries side
View attachment 882275
The last point is the Egyptian-Indian cooperation that will make there competition from China and flexibility from Europe in the transfer of technology, because we simply will not be competitive in price or technology, rarely offered by other countries.


Negotiating power factors between Egypt and India
It is the size of the huge and diverse Egyptian demands in a whole series of equipment in the field of aviation, sea and land, which provides long-term cooperation between the two countries and the quality of qualities increases as it increases the more there becomes flexibility in the field of cooperation in the field of technology transfer. Financial, which determines the volume of local manufacturing and the volume of technology transfer

For me the most important thing is Astra missile and also with it the fighter and the avionics etc..

 

[Buschlaid]

i was talking about the drone and not the MLRS.

I know, I know, I just wanted to add this into discussion. It would have been amazing to see Vilkhas together with K9 Thunder, T-90MS, K2, new IFVs, Sinai-200, and Temsahs, all sheltered by IRIS-T. But the reality will be likely different in the future.

 

[Ghostkiller]

I know, I know, I just wanted to add this into discussion. It would have been amazing to see Vilkhas together with K9 Thunder, T-90MS, K2, new IFVs, Sinai-200, and Temsahs, all sheltered by IRIS-T. But the reality will be likely different in the future.

Maybe we will have Polonez MLRS, K9 (we officialized it), new IFV will be either the spanish VCR8x8Dragon or some french IFV VBCI, plus Sinai-200 and Temsahs/ST series.

 

[Ghostkiller]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550772692445499397

Can @Philip the Arab produce some locally equipments without the intervention of UAE (like AL Tariq bombs etc...) Or this Denel/Rheimtall Group doesn't produce Tariq bombs?

 

[Ghostkiller]

Exactly the same thing that I said when I sent the tweet here hahahaha

 

[The SC]

The new Egyptian protective armor factory

 

[Ghostkiller]

The new Egyptian protective armor factory

What happened to his mic hahaha

 

[Philip the Arab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550772692445499397

Can @Philip the Arab produce some locally equipments without the intervention of UAE (like AL Tariq bombs etc...) Or this Denel/Rheimtall Group doesn't produce Tariq bombs?

Rheinmetall Denel produces unguided munitions (mortar, MK series, etc) and isn’t related to Denel Dynamics.