Egypt unilaterally determines its maritime borders with Libya.

[MaRv]

Al-Jawazi massacre​

When the Ottomans killed 10,000 Libyans in one day

Al-Jawazi massacre - Wikipedia

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[TNT]

Of course, and I remember our conversation, which was endless trolling from you. I always answer you with an counter-argument, putting what International Law says (law, treaty, regulation, decisions of the UN and international courts) and your answer was a “blind trolling game”.
And let's not waste time: all countries that REALLY want to solve these kinds of maritime zone settlement problems follow the pattern below:

1- Initial talks between the two states based on the basis of reciprocity and good neighborliness.
2- If the talks fail, then they continue based on the Law of the Sea(UNCLOS), usually median line.
3- If a country disagree or does not accept the UNCLOS, then both they go to International Courts.
4- If a country does not even accept the jurisdiction of the International Courts or is politically deaf and blind, then it threatens, invades, bullying and act as the troublemaker of the region.

Guess which country is this?

So why greece doznt accept median line between mainlands? Who is not following the law?

 

[Foinikas]

Remember that discussion where u could not prove a single point which allow greecw to have extended EEZ for islands. Not a single point and u guys talk about UN and UNCLOS lolz.

Are you joking now? We've posted all the solid evidence and arguements,but you and your friends deny them.
You've got to be joking...

Do we have to post everything all over again? Because an Erdogan fanboy says "nah it's not true"?

No he is a dictator, just like sisi. Where is ur high horse of democracy and freedom and rights? Now u hypocrites support dictators?

How is Haftar a "dictator"? He is the head of the Libyan National Army,which is under the House of Representatives government based in Tobruk. How is Sisi a "dictator"? Stop that nonsense. Or maybe it's because you'd prefer your MB friends to rule?

Also greece doznt follow UNCLOS, ive exposed ur fake claims, u guys couldn't bring a single statement that supports ur absurd claim of EEZs for Islands.

Are you delirious or something?

If anything,check this map and check the sources below.

 

[MMM-E]

Do we have to post everything all over again? Because an Erdogan fanboy says "nah it's not true"?

Turkiye doesnt care about daydreamer Greece and stupid Greek claims ( there is no any precedent in the world )

keep crying everywhere . nobody can steal Turkish EEZ and our MAVI VATAN
Turkiye is 100% right by international law

If anything,check this map and check the sources below.

no any value as like Seville Map
Bandit thieves and useless Arab league dont have any right to create EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

try enter Turkish EEZ for drilling and see what will happen with tiny weak Greece



Your Greece is not archipelagic State .. and your Islands can not generate EEZ and can not block Turkish mainland

-- archipelagic State or not
-- based on the principle of equity
-- the superiority of the mainland over the islands
-- the geographical realities

wtf is stupid Greek claim ?
10 km2 tiny Island which is 580 km away from Greek mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish mainland can not generate EEZ and can not block 783.562 km² Turkish mainland

Greek claims have no precedent in the world ... still Greeks dreaming with trash Seville map which has no any value


If Malta had defended the stupid Greek claim, half of the Central Mediterranean should belong to Malta

However, the area falling to Malta by the International Court of Justice and other treaties, based on the principle of equity and proportionality of customary international law, the superiority of the mainland over the islands, and the geographical realities, is indicated in green below

RED : stupid Greek claim
GREEN : Actual EEZ of MALTA

The British Island of Jersey on the French Continental Shelf
If The UK had defended the stupid Greek claim, the French Continental Shelf should belong to The UK

In the France-England EEZ Treaty, the British Isles were not granted maritime jurisdiction.

In this case, it is necessary to ask France; If you support the Greek islands to be a maritime jurisdiction area as much as the mainland, then why don't you accept that England's own islands in front of the French coast should be given as much jurisdiction as the mainland?

 

[Foinikas]

Turkiye doesnt care about daydreamer Greece and stupid Greek claims ( there is no any precedent in the world )

keep crying everywhere . nobody can steal Turkish EEZ and our MAVI VATAN
Turkiye is 100% right by international law




no any value as like Seville Map
Bandit thieves and useless Arab league dont have any right to create EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

try enter Turkish EEZ for drilling and see what will happen with tiny weak Greece



Your Greece is not archipelagic State .. and your Islands can not generate EEZ and can not block Turkish mainland

-- archipelagic State or not
-- based on the principle of equity
-- the superiority of the mainland over the islands
-- the geographical realities

wtf is stupid Greek claim ?
10 km2 tiny Island which is 580 km away from Greek mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish mainland can not generate EEZ and can not block 783.562 km² Turkish mainland

Greek claims have no precedent in the world ... still Greeks dreaming with trash Seville map which has no any value


If Malta had defended the stupid Greek claim, half of the Central Mediterranean should belong to Malta

However, the area falling to Malta by the International Court of Justice and other treaties, based on the principle of equity and proportionality of customary international law, the superiority of the mainland over the islands, and the geographical realities, is indicated in green below

RED : stupid Greek claim
GREEN : Actual EEZ of MALTA

The British Island of Jersey on the French Continental Shelf
If The UK had defended the stupid Greek claim, the French Continental Shelf should belong to The UK

In the France-England EEZ Treaty, the British Isles were not granted maritime jurisdiction.

In this case, it is necessary to ask France; If you support the Greek islands to be a maritime jurisdiction area as much as the mainland, then why don't you accept that England's own islands in front of the French coast should be given as much jurisdiction as the mainland?

Aren't you tired of repeating the exact same posts like a spambot?

 

[Akritas]

So why greece doznt accept median line between mainlands? Who is not following the law?

Because quite simply, according to the UNCLOS(article 21), the islands with economic life have EEZ rights, therefore the median line also concerns the islands, and not only the mainlands, as Turkey arbitrarily claims.

Do you disagree?
Then we go to the International Court of Justice for this issue.


But Turkey disagrees on this issue as well, since it has officially declared since 1978 that it considers that ICJ does not have.....jurisdiction.

You see, Greece even tried unilaterally to take you to the ICJ, but you.....refused.

 

[Akritas]

Aren't you tired of repeating the exact same posts like a spambot?

When he has been brainwashed by the authoritarian Erdogan regime, it makes perfect sense for him to repeat the same rants.

 

[Akritas]

You continue to reproduce the well-known Turkish nonsense, served to you by your regime.
Ιn the meantime, you are contradicted by the facts, that is, the bilateral agreements and the decisions of the International Court of Justice.

 

[Foinikas]

When he has been brainwashed by the authoritarian Erdogan regime, it makes perfect sense for him to repeat the same rants.

He also ignores this:

 

[MMM-E]

You continue to reproduce the well-known Turkish nonsense, served to you by your regime.
Ιn the meantime, you are contradicted by the facts, that is, the bilateral agreements and the decisions of the International Court of Justice.

Only Greeks claims this nonsense in the world


Your Greece is not archipelagic State .. and your Islands can not generate EEZ and can not block Turkish mainland .. stupid Greeks

-- archipelagic State or not
-- based on the principle of equity
-- the superiority of the mainland over the islands
-- the geographical realities



idiots show different situation

Those Islands are far away from Tunisian and Italian mainland


and Islands dont have their EEZ of 200 nm ... are you blind idiots ?

wtf is stupid Greek claim ?
10 km2 tiny Island which is 580 km away from Greek mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish mainland can not generate EEZ and can not block 783.562 km² Turkish mainland

Greek claims have no precedent in the world ... still Greeks dreaming with trash Seville map which has no any value

Islands can not block Mainlands .. idiots

its international law ... the superiority of the mainland over the islands

stupid Greek claim Islands block Turkish mainland which have the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean

In the France-England EEZ Treaty, the British Isles were not granted maritime jurisdiction

the area falling to Malta by the International Court of Justice and other treaties, based on the principle of equity and proportionality of customary international law, the superiority of the mainland over the islands, and the geographical realities, is indicated in green below

RED : stupid Greek claim
GREEN : Actual EEZ of MALTA

Even MALTA doesnt have EEZ of 200 nm ..still stupid Greeks gives 10km2 Kastellerizo Island 40.000 km maritime jurisdiction

Stupid Greeks show Greece as archipelagic State to unite a tiny Island with Greek mainland

580 km away from Greek mainland
just 2 km away Turkish mainland


Greek Islands can not generate EEZ and can not block Turkish mainland .. stupid Greeks

-- archipelagic State or not
-- based on the principle of equity
-- the superiority of the mainland over the islands
-- the geographical realities

 

[Akritas]

Greek Islands can not generate EEZ and can not block Turkish mainland .. stupid Greeks

-- archipelagic State or not
-- based on the principle of equity
-- the superiority of the mainland over the islands
-- the geographical realities

Each island with economic activity can produce UP TO 200 n.m. EEZ or median line.......
Let me tell you again, ...UP TO 200 n.m. or median line
How much it will be depends on any bilateral agreement or the decision of the International Court of Justice......
Turkey as the troublemaker of the EastMed, REFUSES to participate in both, saying the nonsense you say, that is, that it has no right to an EEZ.

 

[MMM-E]

Each island with economic activity can produce UP TO 200 n.m. EEZ or median line.......
Let me tell you again, ...UP TO 200 n.m. or median line
How much it will be depends on any bilateral agreement or the decision of the International Court of Justice......
Turkey as the troublemaker of the EastMed, REFUSES to participate in both, saying the nonsense you say, that is, that it has no right to an EEZ.

Where is British Island of Jersey's maritime jurisdiction on the French Continental Shelf ?

Greek Islands may have maritime jurisdiction , if Greece an archipelagic State and if your Islands are far away from Turkish mainland and Turkish EEZ

but Greek Islands just 2 km away from Turkish mainland .. idiots


Its international law ... read again

-- archipelagic State or not
-- based on the principle of equity
-- the superiority of the mainland over the islands
-- the geographical realities


Your Islands can not block Turkish mainland and Turkish EEZ
Greek claims have no any precedent in the world

 

[Akritas]

Where is British Island of Jersey's maritime jurisdiction on the French Continental Shelf ?

The question is HOW resolved the problem of the maritime jurisdriction.
First was by following the decision of tthe "The Court of Arbitration(1977) and finally according the bilateral Anglo-French agreements based to UNCLOS. (1992 and 2000).

Quite simply, they went to Court FIRST, respected the decision for 25-30 years, and then went to a bilateral agreement basing to the UN Law. This is what serious states that respect International Law do, something that Turkey never does, with the tolerance of Western countries, especially the USA.

 

[Foinikas]

Where is British Island of Jersey's maritime jurisdiction on the French Continental Shelf ?

Greek Islands may have maritime jurisdiction , if Greece an archipelagic State and if your Islands are far away from Turkish mainland and Turkish EEZ

but Greek Islands just 2 km away from Turkish mainland .. idiots


Its international law ... read again

-- archipelagic State or not
-- based on the principle of equity
-- the superiority of the mainland over the islands
-- the geographical realities


Your Islands can not block Turkish mainland and Turkish EEZ
Greek claims have no any precedent in the world

Turkey's arguements are debunked by Georgios Kalafikis, Ph.D.

1) “Concerning the sharing of maritime zones (continental shelf and EEZ) and the delimitation of sovereignty (territorial waters), Greece behaves like a maximalist”. Greece’s alleged “maximalism” is ideally based on the internationally accepted and legally established methods of median lines and equidistance. On the contrary, Turkey’s “maximalism” is based on a hyperbolic distortion of the legal concept of equity. According to the Turkish misconception about “equity”, the massive land mass of Anatolia combined with the big population of Turkey should impose the shrinking of the potential Greek EEZ in the Aegean to the west of the 25th meridian, as well as the restriction of the Greek islands in the central and the Eastern Aegean only within a minimum territorial sea of six miles. According to Turkey’s delusion, the EEZ between Greece and Turkey must be demarcated from their respective mainland shorelines! Thus, the Turkish side attempts to completely neutralize the effect that hundreds of Greek islands in-between mainland Greece and Turkey exercise upon the delineation of the maritime zones between the two countries.

However, the minimal or zero effect of the projection of the Greek island coastlines compared to the Turkish mainland shoreline is erroneous. The potential effect of the Aegean Greek islands adjacent to Turkey cannot be easily minimized or nullified. In this way, Turkey’s 0%, apart from being arbitrary even by “equity” standards, is far more maximalist than Greece’s 100%, which solely but perfectly abides by the “equidistance” standards. The unlikely possibility of such a misapplication of the relevant International Law absolutely in favor of Turkey would mean the complete nullification (!) of the potential continental shelf and the EEZ of not just an island, nor even an archipelagic cluster of islands but two entire countries – Greece and Cyprus – in every case their coastline is adjacent to the Turkish one.


On the contrary and quite indicatively, the maritime zones of the USA with Cuba and the Bahamas, or between Cyprus and Egypt, or even between Turkey and the Soviet Union were solely demarcated by “median lines” and “equidistance”. The difference in the size between the above contracting countries is and, respectively, was far greater than the difference in size between Greece and Turkey; still, this was not a problem for “equidistance” and “median lines” to be accepted by those “bigger countries” and, thus, to apply to such “uneven” cases with so much “smaller” neighboring countries.

However, now Turkey completely rejects those methods for delimiting its maritime zones with Greece because supposedly Greece is a “small” whereas Turkey is a “big” country! By resorting to double standards for the same issue, Turkish officials only manage to negate themselves.

2) “By far, Turkey possesses the largest (continental) shoreline in the Mediterranean Sea; therefore, Turkey should be proportionally given a larger share of EEZ compared to neighboring Greece”. That’s a lie: The Mediterranean coastline of Greece (13.500-15.000 km overall; ca. half of it, 7.500 km, continental) is at least twice as big as Turkey’s (7.200-8.000 km in overall; ca. 4.000 in the Mediterranean and the Aegean). By far, Greece owns the longest coastline in the Mediterranean and the eleventh-largest in the world. So, what’s the point of such Turkish myths circulating internationally? This Turkish fabrication is a journalistic type of propaganda, but additionally, it seeks legitimacy based on “proportionality”. According to this latter legal principle, Turkey putatively deserves an extensive EEZ in the Mediterranean due to its extensive coastline. This pseudo-argument can be conveniently rebutted by the Greek side through the unambiguous, though unpleasant for Turkey, verity: it’s simple enough to manifestly point out that the Greek coastline is at least twice as big as its Turkish counterpart. Correspondingly, Greece is entitled to a greater EEZ than Turkey even by applying the principle of “proportionality”.


3) “Kastellorizo is just a tiny cluster of islets of approximately 10 sq. km. somewhere in the Eastern Mediterranean far away from the Aegean but in excess Greece claims about 40.000 sq. km. of EEZ; however, Kastellorizo should not be taken into account in the delimitation of the maritime zones and the EEZs in the Eastern Mediterranean because it is a distinct, extraordinary and isolated case”: with this legalistic argument, Turkey not only separates Kastellorizo from all other Greek islands but also the Aegean as a whole from the Eastern Mediterranean! However, the Aegean Sea together with its islands belongs to the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. For example, all terms that describe the sovereignty of the islands in the Aegean Archipelago, especially those in the Eastern Aegean, explicitly refer to “the islands of the Eastern Mediterranean” (cf. the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne). The small island complex of Kastellorizo belongs to the large Greek island group of the Dodecanese, both geographically and administratively. In our opinion, the coastline of the Kastellorizo islets should be included and added, not isolated, separated, or even omitted from the overall coastline of the Greek islands, especially as far as the Greek opposing or adjacent coastline might be compared to its Turkish equivalent for the delimitation of the Greek and Turkish maritime zones.


4) “Kastellorizo is a far-away and a cut-off Greek island only 2 km away from mainland Turkey, whilst 570 km away from mainland Greece (Piraeus)”. That’s another arbitrary and false inaccuracy deliberately made by the Turkish side to emphasize the “remoteness” of Kastellorizo with the rest of Greece. However, one should first calculate the distance of every single Greek island not to that of mainland Greece but the neighboring Greek island(s) immediately next to it. (Thus, every Greek island ultimately serves as a “bridge” between each other and mainland Greece. That’s why another Greek word for the “sea” is “sg. pontos, gen. pontou”; cf. the Latin equivalent word of “sg. pons, gen. pontis”, “bridge” in English. For Hellenism, from Antiquity till today, the sea and the islands in-between have always served as “bridges” of communication). So, the closest Greek island to Kastellorizo is Rhodes 125 km. afar.

Likewise, in analogy to Kastellorizo, the Straits between Samos and mainland Turkey are only 1,5 km in length, while the distance between the cities of Samos (Vathy) and Kuşadası in Turkey is 28 km, between Samos (Vathy) and the port of Lavrio in Attica, mainland Greece is 255 km.

So, do these facts make Kastellorizo or Samos isolated and “trivial” regions of Greece not eligible for an EEZ, especially when compared to the very close Anatolian landmass of Turkey? Not! Greece forms a joint land-and-sea territory of ca. 370.000 sq. km (ca. 130.000 sq. km. of the mainland and 240.000 sq. km. of the Aegean Sea basin) because of its geomorphology; Greece is inseparably encompassed by both land and sea owing to the existence of almost 6.000 islands, islets, and rocky islands, widely scattered over the Mediterranean basin. The Kastellorizo complex locates at the extreme southeastern corner of all other Greek island clusters in the Aegean/Eastern Mediterranean Sea.

Things in serious diplomatic negotiations and talks, as well as in trivial everyday discussions, turn rather simply and relatively determined with almost mathematical precision: as long as one side lowers its bar of demands (Greece), while the other one maintains its bar to the maximum or even increases it (Turkey), so the first side reduces its own desired objectives and minimizes the potential profit, whereas the second one increases and maximizes them! As it is easily understood, exhortations such as “let us, Greeks, not be lone-eaters and greedy” do not help at all – from the beginning and in principle – neither at the start nor the conclusion of the negotiations with such opponents, who almost demand from the Greeks to surrender to them “earth and water”, roughly as the Persians wished 2.500 years ago.

With their aggressive propaganda, revisionist claims, and military threats, Turkish officials prove that, when they signed the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 and renounced almost all territorial sovereignty in the Aegean (which belongs to Greece except for Imbros, Tenedos, and the Rabbit Islands), they succumbed in doing so because they had no other choice since they were obliged to ensure and secure Turkey’s territorial sovereignty in Anatolia and Eastern Thrace. Back then, the status quo and the situation in the Aegean probably didn’t bother them.

However, from then on and during the following decades, the International Law, and especially the Law of the Seas, evolved dramatically to the detriment of Turkey’s national interests and in favor of Greece’s sovereign rights to such an extent that the initially simple territorial sovereignty of Greece in the Archipelago (from 1947/48 supplemented by the incorporation of the Dodecanese and Kastellorizo) may now, legally and thanks to its widely scattered territorial possessions (namely the islands) in this entire sea basin, be transformed into an almost complete parallel maritime sovereignty in the Aegean, through the gradual expansion of the territorial waters, through various means provided by the UNCLOS, and, of course, ultimately through the declaration of the Greek EEZ across the whole length and breadth of the Greek seas.

That’s why, when the Turkish leaders finally came to understand that the international developments and jurisprudence had already begun to turn so much to Greece’s favor, especially with sovereignty rights in the Aegean Sea, they reacted by circulating their first counterarguments and objections as early as the end of 1973. Since then, Turkey has never ceased to escalate its threatening and expansionist claims against Greece, moving from the declaration of the illegitimate casus belli (1995) toward the recent (2019) doctrine of the “Azure Homeland” (Mavi Vatan), which the Turkish leadership will surely keep on maintaining in the future as the guiding instrument and compass for their foreign policy and strategy.

 

[Oublious]

copy paste from random greece sites...


you can read the bs of greeece claim, about casus beli. So does that give you more credit for EEZ?

utterly bs, wich one of the bs do you want to anser?