Egypt starts building steel wall on Gaza Strip border

[Solomon2]

I am not sure I'm in favor of "humanitarian aid" to the Strip anymore. The Gazans have had years to shape up their act, both internally and externally, yet they have used that time very poorly. Some sort of external pressure is thus needed to make the internal situation better - something more than just restricting the movements of weapons designed to attack Israel, or luxury items for the rich and powerful. In the meantime -

I think that certain parties are interested in maintaining the status quo. Israel puts the Palestinians on a diet, allows Hamas rule Gaza and Hamas doesn't attack Israel. Everyone plays along and the international community looks the other way. No one gets hurt; except for the average Gazan facing inhumane and brutal leading to low food security. In the meantime Hamas can preach "resistance" while enjoying peace with Israel -

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[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Husni Mubarak looks like a .....

Palestinians their own country , so they don't have to dig thru tunnels - I am 100% for dignity , their own airport, own sea ports - and dignity ...

 

[Solomon2]

What is dignity? Is every one entitled to it in equal degree, neither more nor less, no matter what?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

What is dignity? Is every one entitled to it in equal degree, neither more nor less, no matter what?

Yes every one is entitled to it

 

[Solomon2]

^^^^
Go on, continue your answer.

 

[Kansu]

i disagree with you My Jewish friend. because we cant say that Hamas really rules the Gaza. how can we say that they rule Gaza while the people of Gaza suffers so much. How can we say that Hamas is satisfied with ruling poor starving palastinians in Gaza? For what purpose? having an authority on such a group of people doesnt mean anything to me. Also it shouldnt have any meaning for you too. Gaza is like an open air jail and you cant get even a basket of bread if israel and egypt dont allow... Are you serious with the thing you say about Hamas?
i think its egypt and other arabic states who play blind-deaf and the dumb. When Turkey interfared in to palastine problem arabian league declared their common point. they dont want Turkey or any other country to be a side of this problem. So Who licks the boots of IDF? who hides to the shadow of israel arms?
Palastine is the weak ring of arabic world. whoever gets that ring will rule the middleeast. thats all...

 

[Solomon2]

"how can we say that they rule Gaza while the people of Gaza suffers so much. How can we say that Hamas is satisfied with ruling poor starving palastinians in Gaza? For what purpose?"

...it is apparent that Hamas, and those who follow its approach on the Goldstone report, were not shedding any tears over the victims [of the Gaza war]; rather the whole process was one of political opportunism and blackmail.

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"Are you serious with the thing you say about Hamas?"

I was quoting from what a native Gazan wrote. Why don't you ask him?

 

[Solomon2]

"So Who licks the boots of IDF? who hides to the shadow of israel arms?
Palastine is the weak ring of arabic world. whoever gets that ring will rule the middleeast. "

Nablus stock exchange head Ahmad Aweidah went further in explaining to me why there is no rush to declare statehood, saying ordinary Palestinians need the IDF to help protect them from Hamas, as their own security forces aren't ready to do so by themselves yet.

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Doubtless one of the reasons why the second-to-last Caliph agreed to the re-establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine was to prevent the emergence of a new regional power. After all, having lost their own Turkish-dominated Empire, the Ottomans were not keen to see it replaced by an Arab-dominated one.

 

[Kansu]

First of all if you quote from somewhere and use these sentences to prove that we are mistaken, it means its your own idea too. So please dont say ''i just quote, go and ask him''... i guess you are an adult and for this reason i cant teach you how to discuss. if you have an opinion, express it in a proper way please. if not i will be have to speak ''Turkish''

And 2. thing i want to add is, your historical roots may make you feel that you need to defend israel but as a turkish i m more jewish than you are. i have been sharing these lands with your kind since for centuries and we are the ones who protect and defend Jews against inquisition and spanish cruelity.Also honestly i like jewish people but just jewish people. Just like i like all the other people. Not Zionists...

So please dont try to justify israel and its baseless politics. Palastinians needs IDF to protect themselves from Hamas? dont make me laugh... we all saw how IDF protects innocent children and women in ''operation cast lead''...
We all know who is right who is wrong. So dont try to sell pork in Jewish district. if you have word to say about this matter, please say it but without demagogy. ok?

Layla Tov Salamon.

 

[Solomon2]

if you quote from somewhere and use these sentences to prove that we are mistaken, it means its your own idea too.

Umm, no. It means I've cited someone else's account as a challenge to your own. My ego is more invested in the process of truth-seeking, not a specific opinion. This is, as you recognize, a cultural difference between "Turkish" and me.

for centuries and we are the ones who protect and defend Jews against inquisition and spanish cruelity

Indeed! And against Arabs as well. Yet in the last quarter or so of the nineteenth century (once Palestine was re-conquered from the Egyptians) outside of Anatolia itself that protection began to fade as the Ottomans yielded more power to local notables and more rights to European powers.

i like jewish people but just jewish people. Just like i like all the other people. Not Zionists.

If you didn't know I was a Zionist, do you think you'd like me? Why would you cease liking me once you knew I was a Zionist?

dont try to justify israel and its baseless politics. Palastinians needs IDF to protect themselves from Hamas? dont make me laugh... we all saw how IDF protects innocent children and women in ''operation cast lead''

We have an entire thread, "Israel's Cruel Face", devoted to demonstrating this - and, in the end, exposing the calumnies against the Jewish State as widely-spread falsehoods.

We all know who is right who is wrong.

That is what I contest: the knowledge and judgment of Muslims regarding who is right and who is wrong.

 

[Kansu]

Please go on by this way... i m sure you can find the truth on your desk with your computer as a keyboard Knight

i dont expect an immediate illuminati here for you but nevertheless you should learn how to criticise yourself Dear Solomon. You westerns constantly tell us that we are mistaken and we are uncivilized people. But i m not one of them. We Turks are different than the others and i advice you to speak directly, straight to the point. We like direct speechs. And ''speaking Turkish'' means talking straight to the point without cycling any useless conversation. We speak less but we get result. So please make your propaganda in another place.
Let me ask you while you make all these conclusions about us,

Have you ever been in syria? have you ever been in Jerusalem as a Jewish? have you ever seen middleeast and Central asia?

Mate, i saw these countries and i can make conclusions by the things i myself saw. What do you know arab-israel conflict? except the things your jewish communities tell you in usa? have you ever been in Gaza? have you ever felt thirsty and couldnt find a bottle of water to drink? its easy for you to speak all about this from the other part of the ocean but in our world truth is different. So dont tell me your so called historical truth about arabs and muslims.

Have i ever spoke about israel-palastine conflict as a muslim? you should understand that i use these words more often than muslim and Islam: ''Turkey and Turkish''.

But when this subject appears on forums, people like you start to criticise us with ''baseless'' conclusions. i ask you to be realistic and tell me the meaning of ruling a place like Gaza. is it a blessing or a curse?
there in Gaza the most honorable people of the entire arab world lives. They elected hamas to represent themselves but it is strange that you the americans who invaded afghanistan and iraq to bring democracy and peace dont recognize this free decision of these people and push on them to change their ''opinion''. and you do this via starving them, killing the people slowly. they cant get even medicine in hospitals. they have no water, no electric, no food, no gas...

So do you think we need to close our eyes and believe in your lies instead of truth? which truth? the truth you tell us as democracy disciples? You say you represent the democracy and peace in the entire world but you dont respect the decision of 2 million people living in a place like a jail... Which ttruth are you talking about?
And how dare you are that you still can come here and tell us all these without even a little embarrassment???


This is my last post to you in this way of writing My Dear Friend. Dont try to discuss with us on your lies.

Kansubeg

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Umm, no. It means I've cited someone else's account as a challenge to your own. My ego is more invested in the process of truth-seeking, not a specific opinion. This is, as you recognize, a cultural difference between "Turkish" and me.
Indeed! And against Arabs as well. Yet in the last quarter or so of the nineteenth century (once Palestine was re-conquered from the Egyptians) outside of Anatolia itself that protection began to fade as the Ottomans yielded more power to local notables and more rights to European powers.
If you didn't know I was a Zionist, do you think you'd like me? Why would you cease liking me once you knew I was a Zionist?
We have an entire thread, "Israel's Cruel Face", devoted to demonstrating this - and, in the end, exposing the calumnies against the Jewish State as widely-spread falsehoods.
That is what I contest: the knowledge and judgment of Muslims regarding who is right and who is wrong.

Trust is simple , when people have freedom to live as humans - alot of social problems are solved - blockades or cages or what every do not solve issues but they incubate the situation untill the problem escalates -

I feel that "every one" deserves a home/right to own land, live pray and dance naked (if thats what they are into) or wear a burqa etc - regardless of race/color/faith - these are basic human principles that is ecohed across civilizations and time

And that all there is to it - building cages - or enslavement of city by blockades is unhumane and I do not approve such action regardless of what every faith is involved -

The stakes are high vs the world of 2,000-4,000 years any miscalculated effort could end 80%-90% life and make 40-70% world inhabitable or kill 90% of plantation or life on our world , and since we do not have any other place that we can call home , the outcomes is not as simple as it was ...

The world may live on but our civilizations as we know may not exist , if someone is commiting human rights violatios or depriving humans right to live - freely , yes we have a ligitimate , right to debate why on god damn earth human rights violations are allowed to occour???

If there is a threat about Israel , and its cruel face - well - I am sorry but that is what it is ... you can't candy wrap it. Its called being aware of inhumanity that is going around us and trying to make a positive contribution to raise awareess- alot of jews also do not agree with zionism but that is another debate -

The basic human principle is - " Every one has a right to live " when they are born with dignity and honor

I met many jew , even orthodox and I sat down and shared food because they are humans just like me and we live fine becasue we have rule of law and we understand each other and we invite each other's family for food or share stories what is happeing in Israel is inhumane , and is just plain old not right ...there is nothing human about that land ... with amount of blood that spills the streets daily and discrimination -

Sadly the people who are open minded do not come in power , those who dare to change things they get embroiled in political scandles , so their gov collapses - its a vital tool used by political parties to bring down anyone who dares talk about peace ....

(Monika Lewinsky trials ) ....
or the leaders in Jewish politics who wanted peace with yasir arafat brought down by scandles - etc

You should see a trend -