Egypt president says need growing for joint Arab force

[1000]

Actually this force is to create the much needed umbrella for military intervention. Saudi Arabia for example doesn't have the US umbrella that Israel has that it can take actions unilaterally and have a veto in the UN to save it, or Assad in regards to Russia, its mostly on its own in foreign policy out there and rapidly losing influence in the west. But having an Arab coalition umbrella means that other countries would have to think really hard about taking actions against such a large group.

That's good I supported joint military co-operation and missions all along. Even when Iraq gets stabilized they will be partially responsible defeating IS on the bordertowns and help export the fight all the way up to Al Raqqa. Just a matter of time.

As for ground forces, do you think the Arab states unaffected by war are waiting to send soldiers, of which some will end up dead and captured ? It's a price the west has been willing to pay in many wars but it looks like the current Arab leaders lack the willingness. I've read about the UAE intervention in Afghanistan but that is nowhere the level of danger when sending soldiers on the front to recapture cities together with local forces.

 

[Mosamania]

That's good I supported joint military co-operation and missions all along. Even when Iraq gets stabilized they will be partially responsible defeating IS on the bordertowns and help export the fight all the way up to Al Raqqa. Just a matter of time.

As for ground forces, do you think the Arab states unaffected by war are waiting to send soldiers, of which some will end up dead and captured ? It's a price the west has been willing to pay in many wars but it looks like the current Arab leaders lack the willingness. I've read about the UAE intervention in Afghanistan but that is nowhere the level of danger when sending soldiers on the front to recapture cities together with local forces.

Saudi Arabia already expressed its willingness to send Ground troops into Iraq and Syria provided it receives a UN umbrella to conduct a military operation there, Al-Abadi said himself that he rejected this proposal, Iraqi PM himself would rather have Iranian troops in Iraq than other Arab people.
Baghdad ‘totally against’ Arab anti-ISIS airstrikes in Iraq — RT News
Saudi prince: Sure, we could send ground troops into Syria « Hot Air

The Arab world is extending an open hand to Iraq to once and for all welcome it back into the fold, but it is Iraq that is refusing outright to be part of the Arab world and instead be part of Wilayat-e-Faqeh that Iran worked so hard to succumb Iraq under. Maybe you still don't get it, you still don't see the big picture. But in time you will see it very very clearly, and I told you this once and I will tell you again, you will remember my words when that time comes.

 

[Amir_Pharaoh]

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  Commentary: Al Jazeera's Senior Political Analyst Marwan Bishara
  ............... Among the achievements he detailed is a $6bn arms deal with France. Buying jet fighters Egypt doesn't need with money it doesn't have to impress those who won't be impressed!
  - Al Jazeera English

Typical Al Jazeera !!!!! (Pro MB)

What a stupid, so the arabs are going to join forces against millitants. Why not against israel?

As if Israel stands by itself .. not with all entire US fleets and troops in the region incl. military bases in Turkey , Qatar and other Arab countries !!
Start to free Muslim lands and seas from western and US troops then dare to ask about fighting Israel !

Because Washington dictates !

Hahaha ..
You people are for real ?!
The relations between Egypt and USA after MB ousted are the worse since ever !!

No. They will rely on Jordanian and Moroccan troops...GCC are not keen to see Egyptian troops on their land.

Yeah right .. !!!
Many joint-exercises every two or three months prove how fully aware you are !

Okay for real ..
Egyptian government doesn't expect all Arab countries to join !
It's impossible since Arabs have never agreed in one political issue !

We expect KSA , UAE , Jordan , Bahrain and Libyan army to join .
(currently there are two governments in Libya , other supported by Militias and ISIS)
And that's all for now .

Egypt formed RDF in March 2014 by the former defense minister - who is now in power - president. al-Sisi.
It was formed due to the increasing threat of terrorist organizations in Libya.
It is mainly airborne troops with a special formation, and it is characterized by the ability to perform operations inside and outside the Egyptian mainland.
It comprises the most efficient elements of the Sa'ka Forces, mechanized infantry, armored corps, air defense, artillery and anti-tank teams, it also includes military police, special reconnaissance teams, and a number of fighter jets .

Egypt's RDF is expected to be the core of Arab joint-forces .\

 

[Mosamania]

Typical Al Jazeera !!!!! (Pro MB)



As if Israel stands by itself .. not with all entire US fleets and troops in the region incl. military bases in Turkey , Qatar and other Arab countries !!
Start to free Muslim lands and seas from western and US troops then dare to ask about fighting Israel !



Hahaha ..
You people are for real ?!
The relations between Egypt and USA after MB ousted are the worse since ever !!



Yeah right .. !!!
Many joint-exercises every two or three months prove how fully aware you are !

Okay for real ..
Egyptian government doesn't expect all Arab countries to join !
It's impossible since Arabs have never agreed in one political issue !

We expect KSA , UAE , Jordan , Bahrain and Libyan army to join .
(currently there are two governments in Libya , other supported by Militias and ISIS)
And that's all for now .

Egypt formed RDF in March 2014 by the former defense minister - who is now in power - president. al-Sisi.
It was formed due to the increasing threat of terrorist organizations in Libya.
It is mainly airborne troops with a special formation, and it is characterized by the ability to perform operations inside and outside the Egyptian mainland.
It comprises the most efficient elements of the Sa'ka Forces, mechanized infantry, armored corps, air defense, artillery and anti-tank teams, it also includes military police, special reconnaissance teams, and a number of fighter jets .

Egypt's RDF is expected to be the core of Arab joint-forces .\

Egypt has UAE Nimr armoured cars. That is pleasing to see.

 

[1000]

Saudi Arabia already expressed its willingness to send Ground troops into Iraq and Syria provided it receives a UN umbrella to conduct a military operation there, Al-Abadi said himself that he rejected this proposal, Iraqi PM himself would rather have Iranian troops in Iraq than other Arab people.
Baghdad ‘totally against’ Arab anti-ISIS airstrikes in Iraq — RT News

He already responded to rejecting Arab air strikes saying if he allowed any regional states he'd have to allow other regional states as well ( Iran, Turkey ) which would lead to trouble in the airspace. However recently Jordanian officials visited MoD which was followed by Jordanian airstrikes in Mosul, they accepted it. Iranian airstrikes were only on the border towns of Diyala province.

The link you put there, nowhere in it do I read about any Arabs willing to send ground troops, didn't see it in any news either.

At the same time, Abadi refused any foreign ground troops in Iraq. “We are very clear we will not accept any troops on the ground except Iraqi troops,” he said.

He said the same about airstrikes, but accepted Jordanian airstrikes later-on. The above is simply a general statement to the public and all states that he does not want them sending in soldiers. It all depends on the approach and plan, just like with the Jordanian officials approach which got accepted.

Saudi prince: Sure, we could send ground troops into Syria « Hot Air

Watched the video, they want as I said US ground forces to lead the way and make up the largest numbers on the ground in Syria to take out Assad. When it comes to IS they also want the US to make the first step of ground combat troops.

The Arab world is extending an open hand to Iraq to once and for all welcome it back into the fold, but it is Iraq that is refusing outright to be part of the Arab world and instead be part of Wilayat-e-Faqeh that Iran worked so hard to succumb Iraq under. Maybe you still don't get it, you still don't see the big picture. But in time you will see it very very clearly, and I told you this once and I will tell you again, you will remember my words when that time comes.

Wouldn't say Arab world, it's divided among several alliances. You see they're buying arms from Egypt now as I posted in the Egypt military thread. They even accepted terrorist supporting Qatar to open an embassy, that's a lot of acceptance. If you expect the Iraqi gov to make an alliance with any neighbor than you're wrong, they can't but remain neutral and focus on the IS threat. I'm not worried about Wilayat-e-Faqeh, barely any locals support it. In Najaf they put up a poster of Khamenei to welcome the Iranian foreign minister, locals in Najaf sprayed on it showing disapproval.. Those (Shiite) militias are mostly working class locals that are responding to the threat. AKA paramilitary forces, they existed during the time of Saddam as well. The US is not going to allow that to happen either way as they have thousands of forces on airbases in Iraq.

Popular Army (Iraq) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arab governments are mainly following the US in those wars, they started airstrikes Arab states followed, if they deploy ground forces Arab states might do so as well. If they would deploy ground forces without the US i'd be surprised, i'm actually quite sure the Iraqi gov would accept it in certain area's such as Anbar and enforcing a militarized zone on the Syrian border. Same with Libya, except that Libya is now divided among 2 sides with 1 supported by the MB and the other by Egypt/UAE.

 

[Mosamania]

He already responded to rejecting Arab air strikes saying if he allowed any regional states he'd have to allow other regional states as well ( Iran, Turkey ) which would lead to trouble in the airspace. However recently Jordanian officials visited MoD which was followed by Jordanian airstrikes in Mosul, they accepted it. Iranian airstrikes were only on the border towns of Diyala province.

The link you put there, nowhere in it do I read about any Arabs willing to send ground troops, didn't see it in any news either.


He said the same about airstrikes, but accepted Jordanian airstrikes later-on. The above is simply a general statement to the public and all states that he does not want them sending in soldiers. It all depends on the approach and plan, just like with the Jordanian officials approach which got accepted.


Watched the video, they want as I said US ground forces to lead the way and make up the largest numbers on the ground in Syria to take out Assad. When it comes to IS they also want the US to make the first step of ground combat troops.


Wouldn't say Arab world, it's divided among several alliances. You see they're buying arms from Egypt now as I posted in the Egypt military thread. They even accepted terrorist supporting Qatar to open an embassy, that's a lot of acceptance. If you expect the Iraqi gov to make an alliance with any neighbor than you're wrong, they can't but remain neutral and focus on the IS threat. I'm not worried about Wilayat-e-Faqeh, barely any locals support it. Those (Shiite) militias are mostly working class locals that are responding to the threat. AKA paramilitary forces, they existed during the time of Saddam as well. The US is not going to allow that to happen either way as they have thousands of forces on airbases in Iraq.

Popular Army (Iraq) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arab governments are mainly following the US in those wars, they started airstrikes Arab states followed, if they deploy ground forces Arab states might do so as well. If they would deploy ground forces without the US i'd be surprised, i'm actually quite sure the Iraqi gov would accept it in certain area's such as Anbar and enforcing a militarized zone on the Syrian border. Same with Libya, except that Libya is now divided among 2 sides with 1 supported by the MB and the other by Egypt/UAE.

Maybe not in Iraq, but in Syria for sure, and Wilayat-e-Faqeh is not something you accept, it is being forced upon you. These Militias will follow the same route as the other Shia militias in the region, Hizboullah assassinating Hariri and forcefully taking power, Houthis forcefully taking power. Even in Saudi Arabia the Iranians tried to do something similar starting "Hizboullah Al-Hijaz" as they called it but we are not Syria, Lebanon, Yemen or Iraq for that to work here.

These militias hold the government at gun point, these militias have a figurehead which follows the Infallible leader word for word above all else, this is Iranian MO and it is in effect in Iraq.

 

[1000]

Maybe not in Iraq, but in Syria for sure, and Wilayat-e-Faqeh is not something you accept, it is being forced upon you. These Militias will follow the same route as the other Shia militias in the region, Hizboullah assassinating Hariri and forcefully taking power, Houthis forcefully taking power. Even in Saudi Arabia the Iranians tried to do something similar starting "Hizboullah Al-Hijaz" as they called it but we are not Syria, Lebanon, Yemen or Iraq for that to work here.

These militias hold the government at gun point, these militias have a figurehead which follows the Infallible leader word for word above all else, this is Iranian MO and it is in effect in Iraq.

Difference is in Iraq the army is already mostly made up of Shiites therefor the majority of those groups wouldn't fight them, a minority extremists will though as what we saw in recent history.

2008 was when the gov army fought the Mahdi militia. The majority of that militia simply melted away back into civillian life refusing to fight, that's what the majority would do as well. But the current leader of the PMF, Hadi al Ameri was on the gov side in 2008 and is currently working with the gov as well, that's why I call them paramilitary forces.
Iraq spring fighting of 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That leaves little resistance from them, when looking at the various groups the group that seems the most pro IR is 'Saraya al Khorasani'. The only resistance that might come would be from the ~2000 core members of such groups that were active in Iraq pre June 2014. Nevertheless those paramilitary groups cannot be disbanded before IS is defeated in the country.

In Syria, Lebanon it's different.

 

[Mosamania]

Difference is in Iraq the army is already mostly made up of Shiites therefor the majority of those groups wouldn't fight them, a minority extremists will though as what we saw in recent history.

2008 was when the gov army fought the Mahdi militia. The majority of that militia simply melted away back into civillian life refusing to fight, that's what the majority would do as well. But the current leader of the PMF, Hadi al Ameri was on the gov side in 2008 and is currently working with the gov as well, that's why I call them paramilitary forces.
Iraq spring fighting of 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That leaves little resistance from them, when looking at the various groups the group that seems the most pro IR is 'Saraya al Khorasani'. The only resistance that might come would be from the ~2000 core members of such groups that were active in Iraq pre June 2014. Nevertheless those paramilitary groups cannot be disbanded before IS is defeated in the country.

In Syria, Lebanon it's different.

The only thing I will tell you is wait and see, defeating ISIS will bring security to Iraq, but it will also bring a dictatorship like if not worse than Saddam's. A foreign one to be exact. You will be able to elect leaders yes, you will be able to elect a parliament yes, but who do you elect for these seats is not something that the Iraqi population will have a say in.

All I am going to say is wait and see. Don't believe me if you like, it is a grim thought and I don't blame you, priority now is in fighting ISIS, but a smart man plans for the fight, a wise man plans for after the fight.

 

[Amir_Pharaoh]

As expected ,
Arab sources talk about coalition from Egypt , KSA , UAE and Jordan .
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مصادر: تحالف عسكري يضم مصر والسعودية والإمارات والأردن | المصري اليوم

 

[1000]

The only thing I will tell you is wait and see, defeating ISIS will bring security to Iraq, but it will also bring a dictatorship like if not worse than Saddam's. A foreign one to be exact. You will be able to elect leaders yes, you will be able to elect a parliament yes, but who do you elect for these seats is not something that the Iraqi population will have a say in.

All I am going to say is wait and see. Don't believe me if you like, it is a grim thought and I don't blame you, priority now is in fighting ISIS, but a smart man plans for the fight, a wise man plans for after the fight.

You do know they've been saying that since 2003. They've been repeating the same story day and night for over a decade. Pre-June 2014 when those militia's weren't even active anymore they were calling the IA, Safavid army, Maliki forces etc.

Either way, whatever anyone believes. If he's against ISIL there is no other option but to support the military and paramilitary against IS, what comes after we will see. No one can currently go and dissolve or fight the volunteers, most of them will melt back to civilian life after the crisis and the tiny core of extremists are invisible between the hundred thousands of others, what can they do besides firing a rocket in the Kuwaiti desert. If the majority of Sunnis wake up and support the army and state instead of terrorists ( after IS as well ) than the state will be too strong for a neighbor to rule it as a proxy.

As expected ,
Arab sources talk about coalition from Egypt , KSA , UAE and Jordan .
.
مصادر: تحالف عسكري يضم مصر والسعودية والإمارات والأردن | المصري اليوم

Do you think they will fight in Libya ?

 

[Malik Alashter]

The only thing I will tell you is wait and see, defeating ISIS will bring security to Iraq, but it will also bring a dictatorship like if not worse than Saddam's. A foreign one to be exact. You will be able to elect leaders yes, you will be able to elect a parliament yes, but who do you elect for these seats is not something that the Iraqi population will have a say in.

All I am going to say is wait and see. Don't believe me if you like, it is a grim thought and I don't blame you, priority now is in fighting ISIS, but a smart man plans for the fight, a wise man plans for after the fight.

Can you elaborate.

What you mmean by dictator worst than Saddam and what do you mean by foreign one? please.

 

[Mosamania]

You do know they've been saying that since 2003. They've been repeating the same story day and night for over a decade. Pre-June 2014 when those militia's weren't even active anymore they were calling the IA, Safavid army, Maliki forces etc.

Either way, whatever anyone believes. If he's against ISIL there is no other option but to support the military and paramilitary against IS, what comes after we will see. No one can currently go and dissolve or fight the volunteers, most of them will melt back to civilian life after the crisis and the tiny core of extremists are invisible between the hundred thousands of others, what can they do besides firing a rocket in the Kuwaiti desert. If the majority of Sunnis wake up and support the army and state instead of terrorists ( after IS as well ) than the state will be too strong for a neighbor to rule it as a proxy.



Do you think they will fight in Libya ?

Well when your very own "Paramilitary troops" threaten to invade and destroy Saudi Arabia every chance they get, that's not the kind of people who should have an army equal to or stronger than the core army.

Can you elaborate.

What you mmean by dictator worst than Saddam and what do you mean by foreign one? please.

You will have an illusion of a democracy similar to the one Iran, Lebanon and Syria has. That is putting it as concise as I possibly can.

 

[1000]

Well when your very own "Paramilitary troops" threaten to invade and destroy Saudi Arabia every chance they get, that's not the kind of people who should have an army equal to or stronger than the core army.

When they do they won't be a paramilitary but a small group like that of Wathiq al Battat's Mukhtar army, the only capabilities would be firing a mortar. Note that in 2008 the current commander of the PMF stood with the gov against the Mahdi militia in offensive ops that took over 1000 casualties. Weigh the risks... IS is priority and a much bigger risk, to you as well that is.

But we will wait n see.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Egypt has UAE Nimr armoured cars. That is pleasing to see.

I would say if they offer the Iraqis the nimr ac they would accept the deal.

 

[Mosamania]

I would say if they offer the Iraqis the nimr ac they would accept the deal.

Iraq can just come and buy as many as it wants, currently GCC is offering a wide scale rapprochement to Iraq. Even Kuwait gifted the Iraqi army a few hundred Humvees and UAE is gifting Iraq 12 Mirage 2000-9s. Saudi Arabia is most likely offering intelligence to Iraqi army as we have more capabilities in that front.

Saudi Arabia recently even conducted a strike with the Typhoons using the Paveway 4 that killed many leaders of ISIS.