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Just wondering, are you Deutsch or Nederlands?

German, but I'm residing in Holland for the time being.

The important characteristic is not religion, but lack of law and order. The security situation in Egypt is very volatile after the revolution.

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I guess a bit of both. Or one can lead to the other. When a misogynistic attitude (possible derived from a women unfriendly interpretation of a religion) is prevalent in a particular society, (a part of) the police and law enforcement will likely have the same mindset, since they're part of the same social fabric.
 
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I guess a bit of both. Or one can lead to the other. When a misogynistic attitude (possible derived from a women unfriendly interpretation of a religion) is prevalent in a particular society, (a part of) the police and law enforcement will likely have the same mindset, since they're part of the same social fabric.

Except that Egypt has been a major tourist attraction for decades, including Western style beaches, and this has not been an issue until this current turmoil. Isolated incidents occur in all societies, including Western countries, where mobs go berserk.
 
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Your team was dissapointing yesterday, Löw made tactical blunders. They should have played with the same team and tactics as against the Netherlands.

No, I disagree, Löw did not do much wrong yesterday. In the first 10, 15 minutes Germany was pressing against Italy, the sloppy defenders (Hummels who looked like a 10 year old child against Cassano, lazy Boateng, Badstuber not moving around, Lahm giving free space) however made major errors, which lead to the almost impossible task to score 2 goals.
Holland was no match, they were in disarray. Up until now, Germany played against relatively weak teams (including Holland), where mistakes were not fatal (see Greece). But yesterday the few mistakes that were made in the beginning proved to be fatal. You can not go head on with a team like Italy, and think you can get away with it.
 
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Except that Egypt has been a major tourist attraction for decades, including Western style beaches, and this has not been an issue until this current turmoil. Isolated incidents occur in all societies, including Western countries, where mobs go berserk.

This happened six years ago:

Girls in Downtown Cairo - YouTube

Why is sexual harassment in Egypt so rampant?
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Leaflets from a campaign to end sexual harassment being run by the Egyptian Center for Women's Rights.
Cairo, Egypt (CNN) – Young, old, foreign, Egyptian, poor, middleclass, or wealthy, it doesn't matter. Dressed in hijab, niqab, or western wear, it doesn't matter.

If you are a woman living in Cairo, chances are you have been sexually harassed. It happens on the streets, on crowded buses, in the workplace, in schools, and even in a doctor's office.

According to a 2008 survey of 1,010 women conducted by the Egyptian Center for Women's rights, 98 percent of foreign women and 83 percent of Egyptian women have been sexually harassed.

I know, it has happened to me. Last week, I was walking home from dinner when a carload of young men raced by me and screamed out "Sharmouta" (***** in Arabic.)

Before I could respond, they were gone, but I noticed policemen nearby bursting with laughter. I am old enough to be those boys' mother, I thought.

This incident was minor compared to what happened in 1994, shortly after I moved here. It was winter, and I was walking home from the office, dressed in a big, baggy sweater, and jacket. A man walked up to me, reached out, and casually grabbed my breast.

In a flash, I understood what the expression to "see red" meant. I grabbed him by the collar and punched him hard in the face. I held on to him, and let out a stream of expletives. His face grew pale, and he started to shake. "I'm sorry. I'm sorry," he whispered.

But the satisfaction of striking back quickly dissipated. By the time I walked away, I was feeling dirty and humiliated. After a couple of years enduring this kind harassment, I pretty much stopped walking to and from work.

Of course, harassment comes in many forms. It can be nasty words, groping, being followed or stalked, lewd, lascivious looks, and indecent exposure.

At times it can be dangerous. This is what a friend told me happened to her: "I remember I was walking on the street, when a car came hurtling towards me. Aiming for me! At the last minute he swerved, then stopped, and finally laughed at me. I learned later that it was a form of flirting."

Why is sexual harassment in Egypt so rampant? There could be any number of reasons, but many point to disregard for human rights.

"Egypt is more interested in political security, than public security," said Nehad Abu el Komsan, the Director for the Center for Women's Rights. She says that often means officials focus more on preventing political unrest than addressing social ills.

Some also blame the spread of more conservative interpretations of Islam from the Gulf over the past 30 years. They say such interpretations demand more restrictive roles for women and condemn women who step outside of those prescribed roles.

"Four million Egyptians went to the Gulf," el Komsan says. "They returned with oil money, and oil culture, which is not very open, related to the status of women. All of this changed the original culture of the Egyptian," she adds, "which included high respect for women.”

"The concept of respect for some reason doesn't exist anymore," says Sara, a young Egyptian activist. "I think Egypt has lived a very long time in denial. Something happened in Egyptian society in the last 30 or 40 years. It feels like the whole social diagram has collapsed."

What is being done to raise awareness and combat Sexual harassment? Currently Egypt has no law that specifically deals with the problem, but that could change. The government is drafting legislation that would give a clear definition for sexual harassment.

In the past, women who have been sexually harassed here have been too afraid or ashamed to speak up. That too is changing slowly. In 2008, in a landmark court case, a man was sentenced to three years of hard labor for grabbing the breast of Noha Rushdi Saleh, a brave woman determined to seek justice.

The trial was covered extensively in the Egyptian press, and brought the problem of sexual harassment out in the open.

The latest campaign to combat sexual harassment is a joint Egyptian and American website called Harassmap, due to go online in December.

Rebecca Chiao, co-founder of Harassmap explains how it will work: " We can receive reports by SMS, by Twitter, by e-mail, or by phone. When an incident happens, they will send us their location. The computer will receive this, and we will look at the reports coming in and map them on a Google map of Egypt. It will show the hotspots. When the hotspots emerge, we have planned community outreach that will occur around these hotspots.”

Downtown Cairo is one of these hotspots. In 2008, during the Eid holiday, which marks the end of the holy Muslim month of Ramadan, gangs of young men went on a rampage, groping women and, in some cases, ripping off womens' shirts.

This incident also got a lot of attention in the media here. Police arrested dozens of men. With the renewed efforts to raise awareness about the issue, and the government's move toward putting a new law in place, there is hope that women will be able to feel safer on the streets.

But the only real protection women can have is when the attitudes of men change.

http://insidethemiddleeast.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/01/why-is-sexual-harassment-in-egypt-so-rampant/
 
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I know, it has happened to me. Last week, I was walking home from dinner when a carload of young men raced by me and screamed out "Sharmouta" (***** in Arabic.)

Before I could respond, they were gone, but I noticed policemen nearby bursting with laughter. I am old enough to be those boys' mother, I thought.
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Of course, harassment comes in many forms. It can be nasty words, groping, being followed or stalked, lewd, lascivious looks, and indecent exposure.

At times it can be dangerous. This is what a friend told me happened to her: "I remember I was walking on the street, when a car came hurtling towards me. Aiming for me! At the last minute he swerved, then stopped, and finally laughed at me. I learned later that it was a form of flirting."

By this definition of harassment, the same thing happens in the West also, whether its construction workers or teenagers cruising 'the strip' on a Saturday night.
 
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CNN interview with N. Smith:
 
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By this definition of harassment, the same thing happens in the West also, whether its construction workers or teenagers cruising 'the strip' on a Saturday night.

Yeah, I already pointed that out. Sexual crimes and harassment can happen every where, but extreme-related cases don't happen in the West. Well, not that I can recall an incident in a western city, where for example a women is gang raped in plain sight in a street by dozens of men. :rolleyes:
 
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This thing happened befor
Female journalists sexually assaulted in Cairo unrest
Female journalists sexually assaulted in Cairo unrest - Egypt - FRANCE 24
Two female reporters, Caroline Sinz (left) and Mona Eltahawy (right) say they were attacked by Egyptian forces and crowds in Cairo this week, describing disturbing accounts of lengthy assaults by numerous men.
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AFP - Two female foreign journalists on Thursday described harrowing sexual assaults carried out by crowds or police as they tried to cover demonstrations in Cairo's Tahrir Square.

Egyptian-American journalist Mona Eltahawy said she was sexually assaulted by police during hours under detention after taking part in protests on the sprawling square that has become a landmark of the Arab Spring.

"Besides beating me, the dogs of (central security forces) subjected me to the worst sexual assault ever," Eltahawy said on her Twitter account.

"5 or 6 surrounded me, groped and prodded my breasts, grabbed my genital area and I lost count how many hands tried to get into my trousers," she said.

"My left arm and right hand are broken (according) to xrays," she said, posting pictures of herself in casts.

Earlier Eltahawy, an award-winning journalist and public speaker on Arab and Muslim issues based in New York, tweeted that she had been released after having been beaten and arrested in the interior ministry building.

Later, a French journalist working for public television channel France 3, said she had been violently beaten and sexually assaulted while covering the protests.

Caroline Sinz told AFP that she and her cameraman, Salah Agrabi, had been confronted in a road leading from Tahrir to the interior ministry, the scene of days of deadly clashes between police and protesters demanding democratic change.

"We were filming in Mohammed Mahmud street when we were mobbed by young people who were about 14 or 15," said Sinz.

The journalist and her cameraman were then dragged by a group of men towards Tahrir Square where they became separated, she said.

"We were then assaulted by a crowd of men. I was beaten by a group of youngsters and adults who tore my clothes" and then molested her in a way that "would be considered rape," she said.

"Some people tried to help me but failed. I was lynched. It lasted three quarters of an hour before I was taken out. I thought I was going to die," she said. Her cameraman was also beaten.

Sinz was finally rescued by a group of Egyptians and returned to her hotel, where she was assisted by the French embassy before being seen by a doctor.

Media activists from Reporters Without Borders decried working conditions for journalists covering the fresh unrest and upcoming elections in Egypt.

"The chaos prevailing in Cairo and the resulting grave human rights violations are as bad as in the darkest hours of the revolution’s earlier phase, in January and February," the media rights group said in a statement.

In February, CBS News reporter Lara Logan described in detail how she was victim of a sexual assault near Tahrir the same day President Hosni Mubarak fell from power.

Once back in the US, Logan said she was molested for more than 40 minutes by a group of 200 or 300 men.

The latest reports of sexual assault against journalists came as protesters in Tahrir Square continue to demand an end to military rule. At least 38 people have died and over 3,000 have been injured since Saturday when the clashes began.
 
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Why is sexual harassment in Egypt so rampant? There could be any number of reasons, but many point to disregard for human rights.

I don´t know, lack of morals? I have heard similar stories about Egypt. On the other hand, I have also heard similar stories from people who went to certain South American and Latin American countries.

To be honest, in some ways Germans for example are better "Muslims" (without being aware of it :D) than many Muslims themselves. If they promise to do something they do it on time, they have good manners in traffic and many other things.
 
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I don´t know, lack of morals? I have heard similar stories about Egypt. On the other hand, I have also heard similar stories from people who went to certain South American and Latin American countries.

To be honest, in some ways Germans for example are better "Muslims" (without being aware of it :D) than many Muslims themselves. If they promise to do something they do it on time, they have good manners in traffic and many other things.

Agreed, we Muslims generally lack such qualities
 
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I don´t know, lack of morals? I have heard similar stories about Egypt.

Erdogan, I did not wish I would be compelled to say this to a Muslim of another country, but you seem to not know.

Turkey has more rape per capita than Egypt. And you can not use the excuse that Turkish women report rape more often. Both countries have a similar religion, and even if Turkish women reported more, you should realize that rape in Turkey occurs three times as much as rape in Egypt.
 
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So by that Logic, Adof Hitler is the greatest of them all.
Are you willing to extend the same respect and love to Mr Hitler ?
"The most damned people are the occupiers of Palestinian land"
That says everything about you.

I do indulge people like you with more than a few sentences.
 
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