Egypt Interested in A400M Atlas?

[Basel]

Apparently no. Israel block the AIM-120 sale to Egypt some time ago.

U.S. agrees not to sell AMRAAM to Egypt

But they can work to get MICA ER/IR or Meteor and if those not possible then get ASRAAM with HOBS which has range of 50 km.

 

[Wasteland]

Damn. You are full of shitt haha. I have no idea what point you are trying to make considering your poor english.

No one is full of shit other than you, poor English? lmao that's you fuker, i corrected the " doesnt even "having" a proper standing army" for you in my previous reply, go learn English first maybe then you will understand my argument, or maybe you are just too stupid and ignorant to be able to comprehend what i'm saying. I can't help you if that's the case.

Oh not to mention how fuked up was "Libya as example"...but i'm not going to revise all your mistakes...

But they can work to get MICA ER/IR or Meteor and if those not possible then get ASRAAM with HOBS which has range of 50 km.

Egypt operates the latest version of the Sparrow, the semi-active AIM-7P, it has a range of over 80km, Egypt's F-16's don't lack BVR capabilities as someone pointed out, it's more like they lack advanced fire and forget BVR missiles, but their F-16 does have BVR capabilities.

 

[MEAGAN FOXSS]

GO EGYPT ARMY ARM YOURESELF TO TEETH AGAINST ISRAEL

 

[Amun]

Egypt operates the latest version of the Sparrow, the semi-active AIM-7P, it has a range of over 80km, Egypt's F-16's don't lack BVR capabilities as someone pointed out, it's more like they lack advanced fire and forget BVR missiles, but their F-16 does have BVR capabilities.

You are right...my mistake...I forgot about the sparrow.

 

[jhungary]

range does not make a missile better. they may be able to get the aim-120 as they are with Israel and other arab states with the Yemen. and isreal will not be too much of a problem now. hey in-fact they may even give their blessing.

Range does actually make the missile better, one of the factor of Kill Probability (P(k) is range, the factor was determined by range versus manoeuvrability. The reason behind this is, the longer the range, the better the missile can manoeuvre to target as it have a longer distance to travel, which mean Less G

Would you consider if you can shoot at enemy at 100Km away over someone else 50Km range an advantage??

yeah because it is like USB , just plug and play

lol

But they can work to get MICA ER/IR or Meteor and if those not possible then get ASRAAM with HOBS which has range of 50 km.

As I said to another member, they could have get AIM-120C or may even D variant instead of getting MICA. It would be a lot better than getting other stuff as it would be a whole package deal.

 

[Basel]

No one is full of shit other than you, poor English? lmao that's you fuker, i corrected the " doesnt even "having" a proper standing army" for you in my previous reply, go learn English first maybe then you will understand my argument, or maybe you are just too stupid and ignorant to be able to comprehend what i'm saying. I can't help you if that's the case.

Oh not to mention how fuked up was "Libya as example"...but i'm not going to revise all your mistakes...



Egypt operates the latest version of the Sparrow, the semi-active AIM-7P, it has a range of over 80km, Egypt's F-16's don't lack BVR capabilities as someone pointed out, it's more like they lack advanced fire and forget BVR missiles, but their F-16 does have BVR capabilities.

If they operate Sparrows then to add punch MICA ER & IR will be Ideal for 16s as Egypt is also buying Rafales too.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Range does actually make the missile better, one of the factor of Kill Probability (P(k) is range, the factor was determined by range versus manoeuvrability. The reason behind this is, the longer the range, the better the missile can manoeuvre to target as it have a longer distance to travel, which mean Less G

Would you consider if you can shoot at enemy at 100Km away over someone else 50Km range an advantage??

there are many factors which determine what type of missile would be suited best. i understand your idea of a bvraam being a good idea as you can get the target out of radar range and visual range. and bvraam but what if your 50 km from the target ? then an asraam or mica would be ideal platforms as they are designed to be very manouverable and work under a high g-load. i know the the new era or war will be beyond visual range, theres always a "what if" situation.

ohh and the answer to the last part is, neither

 

[jhungary]

there are many factors which determine what type of missile would be suited best. i understand your idea of a bvraam being a good idea as you can get the target out of radar range and visual range. and bvraam but what if your 50 km from the target ? then an asraam or mica would be ideal platforms as they are designed to be very manouverable and work under a high g-load. i know the the new era or war will be beyond visual range, theres always a "what if" situation.

ohh and the answer to the last part is, neither

Dude, the "engagement ceiling" or "engagement envelope" itself is an advantage.

You can shoot someone before they you came to their range, mean you have a higher probability of kill than your opponent. If I start engaging you 100KM out and you can only engage me when I am within 50KM, then I would have the advantage for at leas 2 to 3 tries before I come in your scope.

You cannot say since it would mean nothing if the engagement distant is only 50KM, then, if you have to consider the situation on a case by case scenario, then you would also need to consider the scenario in 70 Km, 90Km and 110 Km, and what if you are talking about an meeting engagement? Which negate all the effect of a missile...

You have to count the ability to engage other before other can engage you as an advantage. It simply give you more chance to down your opponent before it down you. Hence you will have a higher P(k) if you have a longer range missile.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Dude, the "engagement ceiling" or "engagement envelope" itself is an advantage.

You can shoot someone before they you came to their range, mean you have a higher probability of kill than your opponent. If I start engaging you 100KM out and you can only engage me when I am within 50KM, then I would have the advantage for at leas 2 to 3 tries before I come in your scope.

You cannot say since it would mean nothing if the engagement distant is only 50KM, then, if you have to consider the situation on a case by case scenario, then you would also need to consider the scenario in 70 Km, 90Km and 110 Km, and what if you are talking about an meeting engagement? Which negate all the effect of a missile...

You have to count the ability to engage other before other can engage you as an advantage. It simply give you more chance to down your opponent before it down you. Hence you will have a higher P(k) if you have a longer range missile.

as i have said before i understand your point of bvraam's being suited for arial combat.

ok, what if you are in a su30 armed with r-77's and I'm in a f22 armed with only aim-9x's then who is at the advantage? if the f22 can see the su30 and the su30 can't see the f22 then you have a problem. now one can argue that the radar on the su30 may be an aesa like the shuk radar and may be able to see it. then thats a different argument in its self.

as more air forces are getting stealth fighters the chances of fighter jets getting within close proximity of each other is very high and short range/wvraam's are the missiles are an ideal candidate for such engagements. but also one can argue the the quality of the stealth of the jets but then again thats another argument.

 

[jhungary]

as i have said before i understand your point of bvraam's being suited for arial combat.

ok, what if you are in a su30 armed with r-77's and I'm in a f22 armed with only aim-9x's then who is at the advantage? if the f22 can see the su30 and the su30 can't see the f22 then you have a problem. now one can argue that the radar on the su30 may be an aesa like the shuk radar and may be able to see it. then thats a different argument in its self.

as more air forces are getting stealth fighters the chances of fighter jets getting within close proximity of each other is very high and short range/wvraam's are the missiles are an ideal candidate for such engagements. but also one can argue the the quality of the stealth of the jets but then again thats another argument.

No, you did not understand my point at all......

You cannot go on every kind of What-If Situation. What if your missile does not work or what if anything happened? The advantage in itself is the ability to do BVRAAM. Just because something else is better does not take away that edge. Stealth and Radar are the same.

have stealth and hard to see by radar is independent to having the ability to kill your enemy beyond visual range. You cannot see them is another problem which you can solve by improving your radar. But having the ability of ranged kills is another matter altogether. You either have the range to kill your opponent, or you don't. Radar and Stealth and all that can change, but if you do not have a missile that can reach that far out, all are moot point.

This is the point I made

 

[Amun]

Guys,
You cannot fire the BVR missile from it's maximum range and think that it will hit the target for sure.
Besides the NEZ (no-escape zone) of MICA is larger than that of the AMRAAM which is more important than the range .

 

[Echo_419]

Egyptian F16 don't have BVR capabilities for Sure.
Rafales 3 of them came direct from production line supposed to be for French Air Force.
Fremm supposed to be French Normandie and now it is Tahya-Misr.
Mistrals 950 M$ in cash.(250 M$ less than Russian deal).
Gowind 3 will be built in Egypt with TOT.
I believe this urgent purchase of Weapons is very critical to Egyptian Army so it doesn't matter how expensive is it but what matters is how useful these weapons will be to Egypt.

How exactly will the mistrals help the Egyptian Navy or even Egypt

 

[MICA]

How exactly will the mistrals help the Egyptian Navy or even Egypt

we can use it as a vacation cruise , imagine having a tan on the mistrals deck , worth the $900 Mil.

Guys,
You cannot fire the BVR missile from it's maximum range and think that it will hit the target for sure.
Besides the NEZ (no-escape zone) of MICA is larger than that of the AMRAAM which is more important than the range .

thanks , finally somebody mentioned that

 

[Wasteland]

we can use it as a vacation cruise , imagine having a tan on the mistrals deck , worth the $900 Mil.

 

[Blue Marlin]

No, you did not understand my point at all......

You cannot go on every kind of What-If Situation. What if your missile does not work or what if anything happened? The advantage in itself is the ability to do BVRAAM. Just because something else is better does not take away that edge. Stealth and Radar are the same.

have stealth and hard to see by radar is independent to having the ability to kill your enemy beyond visual range. You cannot see them is another problem which you can solve by improving your radar. But having the ability of ranged kills is another matter altogether. You either have the range to kill your opponent, or you don't. Radar and Stealth and all that can change, but if you do not have a missile that can reach that far out, all are moot point.

This is the point I made

true not every situation is a "what if" but one does need to be prepared for anything. if you have a missile that does have a range of 100km thats does not mean the missile will travel that distance. 100km is the maximum free flight range of the missile. if you consider a missile tail chasing, then the range is significantly reduced. in todays era of a few countries having stealth fighters then it will be ideal to use a bvraam. you can see the target, the target cant see you, fire away the missile and the target go bye bye. but in the future 10+ years where stealth fighters are more numerous, then this will be reduced to wvraams being the primary platform.