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Egypt has placed order for Su-35s

You going to be more active on the Arab defense forum or is this a one time thing? I say this because you have 22 posts in 4 years.

ًWho knows what happens tomorrow? :) I'm an old member here who visits and reads in the forum from time to time (sometimes anonymously), but I didn't post too much. To be honest, I'm mainly concerned with the Egyptian affairs in first place then those of other Muslim/Arab countries and remembered this valuable forum after the recent Egyptian deals. Sometimes you read somethings that provoke you to log in and reply/post.
 
First of all....Our Syrian,Iraqi,Libyan,Sudanian brothers are not animals.....every human being is welcomed in Egypt...
You can see Syrians working,having fun and marrying in Egypt....ISIS in Sinai nearly removed...only some of them still coming from Syria via Turkey but we will eradicate them all....unlike your PKK you can’t even get into their territories.

BTW are you still occupying lands from your Muslim neighbors (Syria and Iraq)...?!

Or you still supplying terrorists in Libya with weapons....!?
Or TV Chanels that supports ISIS in Sinai still working..?!

As for History.....I’m taking about 5000 Years ago.....and you say 1000 year ago.
I’m talking about protecting our land and you are talking about invading Egypt....
I’m talking about a country that have been in War with Israel 4 times and you are talking about Turkey (NATO Member) That have a strong relations with Israel that allows Israel to modernize Turkish weapons and allowing Israel to fly over the Turkish soil to practice against whom do you think !?
Yes against Egypt..,..the only Muslim Country that can harm Israel....but it’s our call not yours.


You dirty liar, why are Palestines not welcome and banned by your country? Thats because millions of Syrians are spread around the world?

It's your call but they are raping Arab lands for more then 50 years and still nothing. And you are working together with israel against iran, what did you smoked?
 
You dirty liar, why are Palestines not welcome and banned by your country? Thats because millions of Syrians are spread around the world?

It's your call but they are raping Arab lands for more then 50 years and still nothing. And you are working together with israel against iran, what did you smoked?

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Well, how are things any different in Egypt if not worst ?

I heard some egyptians claiming that SiSi is doing these purchases to make relations with Putin.
What Egypt is really looking to do, is not be pegged to USA only, rather be between a multi polar balanced planet.

That is when Egypt can really move forward. Walk your own way.
Sisi is criticized daily in Egypt.... but about the purchase of SU 35 ....why doing so....he can by some other lower price equipment but this particular air superiority fighter will make the EAF moving to different level.

A good move!! Now, fill it up with EW etc. systems!!! And, the PAF should go for a tough exercise with it to fine tune the tactics...
Now we are talking science.....this is a start...EAF needs AWACSs and EW systems to integrate all these systems together...
Also a lot of training and new tactics that includes air superiority fighter for the first time.

Egypt created a paralel universe in armed forces from SAMs to tanks, aircrafts, radars. It is not possible to operate them under same network so training of whole soldiers for same strategy will always be a problem. Readiness level of Egyptian paralel universes will always lack behind of other state. At a likely conflict, Paralel universes of Egypt will have to create own situation awareness to perform stand alone striking/defensive operations while other side is sleeping or not aware of what is going on in other universe. Israeli strategists must be happy to see such a complicated collection in Egypt. Sorry to say but That is one of the most amateurish procurement strategy the World has ever seen. Egyptian public should voice some criticism to people who waste public money to create such a giant logistic nightmare. Whoever supporting this weapon collection must have a reason for being a happy fanboy in order to see different weapons with naked eye in parades, postcards and military exhibitions..

May be you are right....but on the other hand...Egypt is doing so for about 50 years now....operating American/European/Russian gear.....
The point in the past is mainly IFF systems (which is produced domestically) ... but now...situational awareness and on time response is very critical...(you got a point here)
So still along way to go for all those systems to be integrated together......knowing that Egypt will launch Telecommunications satellite soon ..... also ships like Mistrals are using both GPS and Glonass systems.
Another aspect....may be it is a shifting from western weapons to eastern one gradually :coffee:
 
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Mig-29 and Su-35 have identical avionics and weapons package so logistics won't be a problem for at least these two planes. That said, I think it would have been better to either buy 50 Mig-35s or 30 Su-35s rather than a mixture of both.
MIG-35 will share some new component with the SU-35.. just know that the avionics and the rest are very different.. And there are weapons on the SU-35 that MIG-35 can not use ..the SU-35 shares some components with the 5th G SU-57..
 
Of course. We knew well that fighting the Israelis means fighting the Americans. You have to search about the Nickel grass operation during our last Ramadan war with the Israelis and the military bridges conducted from the US and its military bases specially in Turkey (Incirlik base) by this time to compensate for all the Israeli losses. Also, the direct intervention of SR-71 blackbirds stealth planes in the war. It's obvious for everyone that each president who comes to US presidency have to confirm that he will guarantee the Israeli superiority in the entire region in advance. Have you ever seen any country in the world that operates F-16s, F-15s & F-35s together with their best versions and in large numbers? .. We know well that in case of war against Israel, we will be lagged behind by means of equipment as usual and specially the air force capabilities (even any other country will be lagged behind against Israel in this aspect), but as you said it is not only the equipment that finishes any war despite being a very important factor. The US refused to give Egypt the F-15s before because of an Israeli request :D. That's why also we are trying to narrow the gap and diversify the sources of our weapons because we don't trust the US even against any other enemy.
I am still waiting for an Egyptian member to come up with a scenario of SU35 flying in conjunction with F-16 or Rafale against F-15 or F-35 or even F-16 .

and include the Mig-35 even
 
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Sisi is criticized daily in Egypt.... but about the purchase of SU 35 ....why doing so....he can by some other lower price equipment but this particular air superiority fighter will make the EAF moving to different level.


Now we are talking science.....this is a start...EAF needs AWACSs and EW systems to integrate all these systems together...
Also a lot of training and new tactics that includes air superiority fighter for the first time.



May be you are right....but on the other hand...Egypt is doing so for about 50 years now....operating American/European/Russian gear.....
The point in the past is mainly IFF systems (which is produced domestically) ... but now...situational awareness and on time response is very critical...(you got a point here)
So still along way to go for all those systems to be integrated together......knowing that Egypt will launch Telecommunications satellite soon ..... also ships like Mistrals are using both GPS and Glonass systems.
Another aspect....may it is a shifting from western weapons to eastern one gradually :coffee:
Why not buy the An-132? I'm sure you can get Saab Erieye, and EW variants.
Saab 2000
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An-132 with EW version which Saudi Arabia already purchased.
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Link to website.
https://defence-blog.com/news/royal...e-and-surveillance-aircraft-from-ukraine.html
 
Each one of them has a job to do. Egypt was operating the Russian Mig-21, the Chinese F-7, the American F-4 phantoms, the American F-16s, the French Alpha-jet, the French Mirage 5 and the French Mirage 2000 all together without any logistical problems. Only now some jets are replacing older ones from the same origins.
It would be more interesting to see how EAF will combat F-35 by using a combination of Rafale/SU-35/Mig-35/F-16.

Why not buy the An-132? I'm sure you can get Saab Erieye, and EW variants.
Saab 2000
1024px-S_100B_at_Malmen_2010-06-13_2.jpg



An-132 with EW version which Saudi Arabia already purchased.
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Link to website.
https://defence-blog.com/news/royal...e-and-surveillance-aircraft-from-ukraine.html

Can E-2 AWACS link up with Rafale and Su-35 and Migs ?
 
It would be more interesting to see how EAF will combat F-35 by using a combination of Rafale/SU-35/Mig-35/F-16.



Can E-2 AWACS link up with Rafale and Su-35 and Migs ?
I don't know about that, are you sure they were even built to communicate with the Russian planes because I understand NATO but Soviet/Russian communication seems unlikely
 
I don't know about that, are you sure they were even built to communicate with the Russian planes because I understand NATO but Soviet/Russian communication seems unlikely
Since French AF uses E-2, means it can support Rafale along with F-16's and probably Mirage-2000.

Can SU-35 Radar act as mini AWACS for Mig-35 ? In any case, Voice communication through UHF/VHF radios can be transmitted to SU and Mig's from E-2 for situational awareness and target vectorization. In the absence of Link-16 Data comm link of E-2, voice comm could be the only way, unless EAF orders A-50 or converts an IL-76/78 into AWACS

MIG-35 will share some new component with the SU-35.. just know that the avionics and the rest are very different.. And there are weapons on the SU-35 that MIG-35 can not use ..the SU-35 shares some components with the 5th G SU-57..
Can you be specific about the bold part?

No choice but to have the full stealth aircraft.. these are the latest tests the Russians are conducting, because the detection of engines was a big issue in Syria test flights.. So Egypt won't procure the SU-57 before it is full stealth/matured..this is supposed to be a 5thG fighter..


Su-57 fighter will receive a fifth-generation plasma engine


The fifth-generation Russian fighter Su-57 will receive a plasma engine with reduced radar visibility.

The chief designer of the Lyulka Design Bureau named after Yulia Yevgeny Marchukov told journalists that the newest front-line fighter in Russia, the Su-57, will be equipped with a plasma engine, the Tsargrad TV channel reports.

This is a fifth-generation engine, codenamed "Product 30", which was created taking into account domestic and foreign experience. According to the designer, it will be installed on the aircraft by 2020. New power plants will be more powerful and cheaper than the previous ones. Motor traction is 10 times its own weight.

According to Marchukov, the engine created in the Russian Federation will be the answer for critics of the West who had previously found the Achilles heel of the Su-57. Foreign military analysts noted the high radar visibility of the fighter due to the thermal efficiency of the engine. "Product 30" will be assembled in a fundamentally different way. The unit will integrate a plasma ignition and thrust vector control system. The upgraded nozzles will ensure the ignition of the plasma arc simultaneously with the supply of kerosene. This will help to avoid "flare" - the emission of a pillar of fire from the nozzle due to excess fuel in the combustion chamber. Thus, the visibility of the fighter in the infrared and radio wave range is noticeably reduced.


Another important innovation of "Product 30" is the variable degree of bypass. The fighter engine will be able to adapt to any flight conditions only by “orders” of the pilot. Managing the plane will be several times easier. It is important that this feature will give the Su-57 the possibility of cruising supersonic movement.

"PolitEkspert" previously reported that the US is developing an adaptive "turbo heart" for the F-35 - the new XA100 engine for the fighter, which is positioned as a competitor to the Su-57. The development of "Product 30" will be the answer to the American opponent.



https://politexpert.net/145286-istr...tel-pyatogo-pokoleniya?utm_source=warfiles.ru

In addition to this, I think SU-35 carries a lesser RCS than SU-30.
 
Can you be specific about the bold part?
L150 pastel as a passive monitoring system has the capabilities of directing a large spectrum of ammunition with passive sensors, and a large part of them didn't enter service with the Mig-35..

Defensive systems in legacy and production Flankers include a Radar Warning Receiver, mostly variants of the SPO-32 / L150 Pastel digital receiver carried. The latest subtypes like the Su-35BM/Su-35-1 carry the KNIRTI L175M Khibiny M Radio Frequency Surveillance (RFS = ESM/RHAW) system, initially developed for the Su-34 Fullback. The Khibiny M is believed to use a channelised receiver and most likely employs a wideband dual baseline interferometer in the forward sector, to permit passive targeting of Kh-31P and R-27P/R-77P variants in defence suppression and air combat roles.

Newer Flankers carry the podded wingtip mounted KNIRTI SPS-171 / L005S Sorbtsiya-S mid/high band defensive jammer (ECM), this system being an evolution of a jammer developed for the Backfire C. The Sorbtsiya-S, unlike most Western jamming pods, is designed to operate in pairs and uses forward and aft looking steerable wideband phased arrays to maximise jamming effect, a similar arrangement to the Eurofighter Typhoon EWSP package. It is worth observing that the Sorbtsiya is clearly built to provide cross-eye jamming modes against monopulse threats, and the wideband mainlobe steering capability provided by the phased array permits best possible utilisation of available jamming power. A graded dielectric lens is employed. Russian contractors have been recently using Digital RF Memory (DRFM) technology, which is of the same generation as the US IDECM EWSP..

Concurrently KNIRTI displayed a high power support jamming pod, the SAP-14, intended for centreline carriage on a large pylon. To date little has been disclosed on these pod designs, which are likely to retain the wideband phased array / lens antenna system first used on the Sorbstiya.

the encrypted TKS-2/R-098 (Tipovyi Kompleks Svyazi) Intra Flight Data Link (IFDL) which permits the networking of up to 16 Sukhoi fighters. It is not known whether the 5U15K-11 datalink designed for networking the A-50 AWACS and MiG-31 has been adapted to the Sukhoi fighters..

Air to air weapons are one area where the Russians have been very aggressively developing and marketing new products. The baseline Su-27S was armed with the R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) semiactive radar homing BVR missile and the R-73 (AA-11 Archer) WVR missile. The thrust vectoring R-73 (refer AA 4/97) was a trend setter and we have since seen an improved R-73M marketed, as well as a digitised seeker equipped R-74E variant credited with 75 degree off boresight capability and kinematics to kill 12 G targets. Indian press reports suggest the Rafael Python 4 has been offered to India and it is not inconceivable that this missile will find its way on to Indian and other regional Sukhois - India is currently negotiating for the Phalcon AEW&C system fitted to the Ilyushin A-50E airframe and has acquired ballistic missile defence radars from Israel.

The Vympel R-27 is the Russian equivalent to the late model US AIM-7 Sparrow series BVR missiles, but the similarity ends there since the R-27 is available in a plethora of variants. The basic airframe is supplied in long and short burn variants with differing range performance, and with heatseeking or datalink aided inertially midcourse guided semi-active radar seekers. The R-27R1 and R-27ER1 are the radar guided long and short burn versions, respectively, credited with F-pole ranges of 70 nautical miles and 43 nautical miles. The R-27T1 and R-27ET1 are the respective heat seeking equivalents, credited with slightly lower engagement ranges. The X-band anti-radiation seeker equipped R-27P/EP has been reported, designed to kill emitting fighters in the forward quarter by homing on their radar emissions. More recently Agat have offered new build or retrofit active radar seekers as the R-27A/EA, the AGAT 9B-1103M/9B-1348E, derived from the R-77 seeker.

The most recently exported missile in the region is the Vympel R-77 RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder), the AMRAAMski. This missile, with unique lattice controls, is a modern BVR weapon designed to kill 12G targets, and credited with an A-pole range of 54 nautical miles, although some reports suggest early production rounds are not delivering the kinematic performance advertised, not unlike early AIM-120A AMRAAMs. As the R-77 has AMRAAM-like capabilities, it permits an Su-30 to launch multiple rounds and guide these concurrently, engagement geometry permitting. As the R-77 matures, we can expect to see refinements in propellants, autopilot kinematics and seeker jam resistance.

We have yet to see reports of regional deliveries of the Vympel R-77M RVV-AE-PD (Povyshlenayya Dal'nost') ramjet adder, credited with an A-pole range around 80 nautical miles. This missile is a direct derivative of the R-77.

Alternate seekers for the R-77 have been advertised - the heatseeking R-77T using an MK-80M seeker from the R-73M and R-27T, and the antiradiation R-77P. The deployment of the new F/A-22A later in the decade will see significant pressure on Vympel to supply heatseeking, anti-radiation and electro-optical imaging seekers on the R-77/R-77M in an attempt to counter the combined kinematics and all-aspect stealth of the F/A-22A. While such seekers may do little to offset the overwhelming advantages of the supercruising F/A-22A, they are likely to prove quite effective against inferior types such as the JSF, F/A-18E/F, late model F-15E and F-16C/B50. If the Su-30 can close to a range where an advanced longwave IRST can track the target, an optical seeker equipped R-77 variant can be used to effect an engagement, defeating the RCS reduction measures on these aircraft. The anti-radiation R-77P could be used to engage at maximum missile range.

In the long range missile domain, the Vympel R-37 (AA-X-13) series of AIM-54 Phoenix look-alikes have been proposed - a developmental R-37 successfully engaged a target at 162 nautical miles of A-pole range in 1996. A more interesting proposal has been the use of the Novator R(KS)-172 RVV-L (AAM-L) missile, a 215 nautical mile range 1,650 lb launch weight long range AAM. The R-172 uses datalink/inertial midcourse guidance and an active radar terminal seeker, and Russian sources claim a snap-up capability to 100,000 ft and snap-down capability to 10 ft AGL. KS-172 mockups have been photographed on Su-30 displays but its production status is unclear at this time, although India is negotiating licence production.

Of no less interest is the Kh-31P (AS-17 Krypton) family of ramjet anti-radiation missiles, offered as a standard store on the Su-30/35 subtypes. This missile, in basic anti-radiation and dual mode seeker variants is often dubbed the AWACS killer and would be used to destroy opposing AEW&C aircraft, or surface based radars. Sukhoi advertise a load of up to six rounds, two on the inlet stations.


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Russian missiles either carried by or proposed for Flanker variants (Author).
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Notes: O/B - seeker off-boresight acquisition angle; IRH - heatseeking, single or dual colour scanning seeker; SARH - semi-active radar homing seeker; DL - datalink for midcourse guidance corrections - either analogue or digital; IMU - inertial package for midcourse guidance; Passive RF - passive radio frequency anti-radiation seeker; ARH - active radar homing seeker; Acquisition Range is that at which the seeker can acquire its target; Kinematic Range is A-pole or F-pole; Target G - max load factor of target vehicle; Launch G - max load factor of launch aircraft; APU - Aviatsionnaya Puskovaya Ustanovka (rail launcher); AKU - Aviatsionnaya Katapultnaya Ustanovka (ejector); This is a current open source compilation based on manufacturers' and third party data therefore figures should be treated with appropriate caution (Author).
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The dominance of US ISR capabilities is producing an increasing demand for hard kill 'counter-ISR' weapons and the Sukhoi fighter equipped with missiles like the Vympel R-77M, R-37, Novator KS-172 and Zvezda-Strela Kh-31 variants qualifies exactly as that.

It is clear that the Su-30 has at least two decades more of yet to be exploited technological growth capacity, especially in systems and weapons. The excellent kinematics, large airframe and large apertures give it a decisive long term advantage in growth potential against all teen series types, and with an increasingly borderless international upgrade market, regional users with the cash required will be able to fit some very capable upgrades over time.

We can summarise growth options thus (IASC, 2006):

Supersonic cruise 40,000 lbf class AL-41F engines replacing the AL-31F.

Thrust vectoring (TVC) engine nozzles with 2D or 3D capability.

Digital Flight Control System (DFCS) becoming standard for late build Flankers. The Su-37 included redundant sidestick controls for the pilot.

Canard foreplanes for enhanced high alpha agility. Production hardware on Su-33 and Su-30MKI.

An active phased array (AESA) fire control radar replacing the N-001 and N-011/011M series.

A two color band FLIR/IRST sensor replacing the OLS-30, using QWIP imaging array technology.

COTS based computer hardware running COTS based software.

A Helmet Mounted Display with FLIR projection capability. Such an upgrade was being discussed some years ago, and would be easily accommodated with a FLIR/IRST sensor.

Full glass cockpit based on digital technology. Given the current delivery of first generation glass cockpits in Su-30MK and Su-27SKM, this is a natural progression.

Heatseeking and anti radiation variants of the R-77 Amraamski, and extended range ramjet powered variants of the R-77. All are in advanced development and actively being marketed.
Advanced digital variants of the R-73/74 Archer close-in air to air missile. These have been actively marketed.

AWACS killer long range missiles in the 160 to 200 nautical mile range category. The R-37/AA-X-13 Arrow remains in development for the Su-35, the R-172 was recently reported as the subject of licence negotiations with India. Su-35 upgrade marketing literature depicts the use of such missiles.

Cruise missiles for standoff attacks. China acquired Kh-55SM/AS-15 Kent cruise missiles from the Ukraine, and is manufacturing indigenous designs. India intends to use the supersonic Brahmos on its Su-30MKIs.

Advanced jam resistant fighter to fighter and fighter to AWACS datalinks and networks.

Further evolution of protocol software will see this technology grow to match current US capabilities.

Radar absorbent materials for radar observables reduction. Numerous Russian unclassified papers detail a range of technologies for surface wave suppression and edge signature reduction, with a specific aim of reducing legacy aircraft observables.

Aerial refuelling probes, pylon plumbing for drop tanks, and buddy refuelling stores.

Production hardware available off the shelf.


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GNPP KAB-500 and KAB-1500 guided bombs

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The Russians are also actively marketing guided bomb kits for the Sukhoi fighters. The KAB-500L is a direct equivalent to the GBU-16 using the 27N series laser seeker, the KAB-500Kr is equivalent to a TV contrast lock guided 1,000 lb GBU-8 HOBOS fitted with a bunker busting or fuel air explosive warhead. The KAB-1500 is a family of guidance kits for 3,000 lb class dumb bombs, available with unitary or bunker busting warheads. The KAB-1500L is a semi-active laser homing kit, the KAB-1500TK a TV command link guided kit analogous to the GBU-15 but 50% bigger, and the KAB-1500Kr a TV contrast lock guided system. Either three of the 1,500 kg weapons, or six of the 500 kg weapons can be carried by an Su-27/30 with suitable avionics.

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Su-27SKM loadout (Sukhoi).

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Su-30MK loadout (Sukhoi).
 
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L150 pastel as a passive monitoring system has the capabilities of directing a large spectrum of ammunition with passive sensors, and a large part of them didn't enter service with the Mig-35..
Is this an E/O device mounted on nose? or takes a hard point?
 

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