Egypt Buys MiG-29M Negotiates MiG-35

[Luftwaffe]

Let me assess, KSA/U.A.E paid for Fulcrums that's just procuring Aircraft/systems etc what about long term maintenance/spares and complete support where would the funds come from unless EAF replaces atleast 2 mix squadrons of Mig-21/F-7 and direct those funds towards Mig-29/Mig-35..does it make sense?

@Frogman maybe you are assessment is logical. I've one question replacing Mig-21/F-7s around 110-115 are left in inventory would EAF be looking towards multifold capabilities or plane by plane would be replaced because 100+ is a costly affair.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

lol USA approves this 100%, they are trying to tell Russia that the found them good customers, so forget about Syria.... the west and their puppets are actually using this card, and Russia is loving it...

anyways, congrats to Egypt, no matter what, Syria and Egypt have deep roots together, specifically in military..

russia care for more than weapons sales and i doubt that any deal would make russia change their policy in syria

Let me assess, KSA/U.A.E paid for Fulcrums that's just procuring Aircraft/systems etc what about long term maintenance/spares and complete support where would the funds come from unless EAF replaces atleast 2 mix squadrons of Mig-21/F-7 and direct those funds towards Mig-29/Mig-35..does it make sense?

the way things are going our economy is getting better and in time we should be able to stand on our feet there is no way things will be this way forever

 

[Luftwaffe]

russia care for more than weapons sales and i doubt that any deal would make russia change their policy in syria

the way things are going our economy is getting better and in time we should be able to stand on our feet there is no way things will be this way forever

I doubt or KSA/U.A.E would not have to funded your Military programmes/procurements also in the past as many US equipment received from EDA.

 

[The SC]

The MiG-35 is a development of the MiG-29M apart from some minor structural differences and an AESA radar they are virtually the same aircraft. So the procurement of the MiG-29M does make sense, retire the MiG-21/F-7 quickly and then when the MiG-35 is ready for export procure it and upgrade the MiG-29Ms with the AESA radar, the MiG-35s production line is about a year or two off being active.

Actually they can even order the Mig-29Ms with an AESA radar, I do not know if the 24 ordered ones will have it yet, but the Mig 35 has another System on top of the AESA radar that the Mig-29 does not have, also the Mig-35 is a bit longer than the 29M, it has more weapon carrying capacity with nine points, meaning structural changes to the wing design of the Mig-29M.

 

[The SC]

Preliminary $3.5B deal, that says a lot of things. 40% of the gear ordered has already been delivered to Egypt, since it was readily available. The two S-300 VM batteries with 22 radar and missile trucks will be delivered this year.
For after this deal, Egypt showed interest in the S-400 and S-500 systems, the Mig-35 and Submarines of the 636 class.
No talk of Sukhoi 30 or 35! I am surprised, but some people say that the Mig 35 is superior in many dimensions, and mostly in reliability. The SU-35 has a bigger range 0f some 3500 km, while the 2000 some km range of the Mig-35 is ample for Egypt's surroundings.

 

[Oublious]

This is nothing but the fact that the arab defence world is bankrupt. No innovation. science, industry, enteprises and dare to challenge. What if russia give you the middle finger? Are you going to china? And go further vice versa?

Arab world is a mes...

sorry but i have to write it.

 

[Frogman]

Let me assess, KSA/U.A.E paid for Fulcrums that's just procuring Aircraft/systems etc what about long term maintenance/spares and complete support where would the funds come from unless EAF replaces atleast 2 mix squadrons of Mig-21/F-7 and direct those funds towards Mig-29/Mig-35..does it make sense?

The MiG-21 and F-7 are being actively retired now, by the end of 2015 they will all be out of service. The F-4 has been retired and large numbers of Mirage III Horus (only two squadrons will remain till around 2020) . The money that was used to maintain, fly, and update these aircraft should be more than adequate to accommodate the incoming MiG.

Anyway the EAF would not procure aircraft it knows it can not afford or maintain without reliance on another country or the supplier.

maybe you are assessment is logical. I've one question replacing Mig-21/F-7s around 110-115 are left in inventory would EAF be looking towards multifold capabilities or plane by plane would be replaced because 100+ is a costly affair.

I don't think there is a need to replace the Mig-21/F-7 one to one with the MiG-29M or MiG-35 given the disparity in performance. I don't expect Egypt to order more than 3 MiG squadrons.

Actually they can even order the Mig-29Ms with an AESA radar, I do not know if the 24 ordered ones will have it yet, but the Mig 35 has another System on top of the AESA radar that the Mig-29 does not have, also the Mig-35 is a bit longer than the 29M, it has more weapon carrying capacity with nine points, meaning structural changes to the wing design of the Mig-29M

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An Optical Locator System. That could still be included, however, until delivery we won't really know any technical details. But obtaining the MiG-29M with features present on the MiG-35 would seem like logical step if you want almost the same capability quickly.

 

[Ceylal]

Is the mig-29 production line still running?

Mig line is dead. If the Egyptian contract is to be fulfilled ,it will be made from old cells , like the MIG 29 SMT's made for Algeria, which she returned and took approximately 2 years of modifications and alterations to be accepted by the VVS. Let wait and see..

This is nothing but the fact that the arab defence world is bankrupt. No innovation. science, industry, enteprises and dare to challenge. What if russia give you the middle finger? Are you going to china? And go further vice versa?

Arab world is a mes...

sorry but i have to write it.

Same thing goes for Turkey, as a prime NATO ally they still rely on junior Israel to furnish part for their military...And if you quit NATO, Turkey will be in same dilemma as her Arabs neighbors...

 

[Oublious]

Same thing goes for Turkey, as a prime NATO ally they still rely on junior Israel to furnish part for their military...And if you quit NATO, Turkey will be in same dilemma as her Arabs neighbors...

Then you dont now nothing about are projects. We dont have the money like the arabs and we wil not end up like arabs.

 

[Ceylal]

Then you dont now nothing about are projects. We dont have the money like the arabs and we wil not end up like arabs.

There you are mistaken, some of the comment is true, but Turkey benefited greatly from NATO and it can be seen..Your neighbors may have money, but they did not had the same advantages that their money should have brought them from their association with the West. Same thing can be said with Algeria...She has not benefited from her association with the soviet block, until recently...

Actually they can even order the Mig-29Ms with an AESA radar, I do not know if the 24 ordered ones will have it yet, but the Mig 35 has another System on top of the AESA radar that the Mig-29 does not have, also the Mig-35 is a bit longer than the 29M, it has more weapon carrying capacity with nine points, meaning structural changes to the wing design of the Mig-29M.

Guys MIG is dead...If MIG could have been revived, INDIA would have choose it instead of the costly Rafale...

 

[Zarvan]

There you are mistaken, some of the comment is true, but Turkey benefited greatly from NATO and it can be seen..Your neighbors may have money, but they did not had the same advantages that their money should have brought them from their association with the West. Same thing can be said with Algeria...She has not benefited from her association with the soviet block, until recently...


Guys MIG is dead...If MIG could have been revived, INDIA would have choose it instead of the costly Rafale...

Sir for your information India still buys MIG-29

 

[Oublious]

There you are mistaken, some of the comment is true, but Turkey benefited greatly from NATO and it can be seen..Your neighbors may have money, but they did not had the same advantages that their money should have brought them from their association with the West. Same thing can be said with Algeria...She has not benefited from her association with the soviet block, until recently...


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We didnt benefit nothing from nato, we saw even sanctions afther cyprus war against cryptos. They didnt delivered us f4 about 10 years. We learned from that day so what did the arabs learned?

 

[Ceylal]

Sir for your information India still buys MIG-29

India dissed the MIG 35, for the reasons I mentioned above, They bought the 29k for the aircraft carrier...

We didnt benefit nothing from nato, we saw even sanctions afther cyprus war against cryptos. They didnt delivered us f4 about 10 years. We learned from that day so what did the arabs learned?

That was one case that served as a wake up call for Turkey, but despite that your NATO membership opened doors for you..But for Arabs, I can't answer you questions, there are some PDF from those countries that can reply to you..on that subject.

 

[raazh]

Can please anybody explain why is Egypt equipping itself on urgent basis with Mig29/35, S300 and other purchases ?? I am sure they don't need all this for ISIS .. is it directed towards Israel ??

 

[The SC]

This is nothing but the fact that the arab defence world is bankrupt. No innovation. science, industry, enteprises and dare to challenge. What if russia give you the middle finger? Are you going to china? And go further vice versa?

Arab world is a mes...

sorry but i have to write it.

You can say that if you were making the F-16s yourselves, or the long range air defense systems, but you are not , and most Arab countries have self-reliance defense projects while they are not part of NATO, so it is a bit more difficult for them, and gets easier with proper financing.
Egypt was the first country in the region to work on and test long range missiles in the 50/60s and in same period of time it had manufactured it own jets along with their engines, it has even sold some to India in the 60's for its Marut jets.
You can ask the same questions to Turkey if the US give it the MFinger.

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