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[PeaceGen]

So the EU, the US and Britain are all gonna freeze the aid to Egypt :o

CNN-US tv just aired a segment on how US arms manufacturers send droves of lobbyists to Washington to convince lawmakers year after year of how many jobs will be lost in the defense industry if the aid does not keep flowing.. So i'm not sure where this is heading..
And several arab states have already said they'll send any aid cut by the US to Egypt themselves..

 

[Ceylal]

Muhammad Badi3, the leader of the MB was arrested without any struggle, resistance or bloodshed. Then they claim that MB are terrorists. I don't know what kind of a terrorist group that does not fight before its leader gets arrested.

MB's like all the other Islamic radical are bent on leading or destroying. For them it is black or white. For the one year, they were in power, they put Egypt on her knees, and for 5 weeks or saw they occupied the street and kept Egypt hostage..if that is not terrorism , I don't what it is.

 

[Tanja]

What do you think about this:
When will Egypt’s coup media announce the suicide of President Morsi?

By Wael Qandil

“One thing leads to another”, the military coup leaders in Egypt have been hoping that this motto will fall into place since they ended the era of ‘coup free Africa’; decades earlier poorer countries in Africa had spent decades following coups with more coups.

The first time this motto was put into place was during the targeting of a group of jihadists in the Al-Arja village in Sinai last week. The operation was in fact, carried out by an Israeli drone aircraft that had violated Egypt’s airspace, this was confirmed by unbiased and independent, international news sources. A spokesperson for the Egyptian military then made a statement confirming that the explosion had occurred in the area and that they were combing the area to determine the cause. 24 hours later, the same spokesperson announced that the operation had been carried out by the Egyptian army with an Egyptian apache. To cover up the contradictions and confusions they sank deeper into this swamp of lies and announced that subsequent operations had been carried out by the Egyptian army in the Al-Toma area.

Events in Egypt are being explained away by this motto and are glossing over the crime of the century that is being carried out by the coup forces against the Egyptian people. As they killed thousands of martyrs and wound thousands in a massacre that puts the Karadzic and Silajdzic massacres against Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s to shame. As the operators of the media and intelligence machines behind the soup are stuck in their old and tired ways of fabricating events, a series of fires throughout the country targeting establishments and churches have distracted the Egyptians from counting the bodies and calculating the amount of blood spilled by weapons.

The saying “one thing leads to another” applies again here to cover up the cultural and moral shame spread by the coup across Egypt. The burning of churches draws attention to two contradicting statements; the first was made by the Islamic group in Egypt when they warned against targeting Christian places of worship and called on its members to protect the Copts. The second was made by the secretary of the Holy Synod of the Coptic Church of Saint Raphael in Egypt during an appearance on one of the pro-coup television channels, in which he said “If the price of saving Egypt from the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood is burning our churches, we will bear it.”

 

[flamer84]

What do you think about this:
When will Egypt’s coup media announce the suicide of President Morsi?

By Wael Qandil

“One thing leads to another”, the military coup leaders in Egypt have been hoping that this motto will fall into place since they ended the era of ‘coup free Africa’; decades earlier poorer countries in Africa had spent decades following coups with more coups.

The first time this motto was put into place was during the targeting of a group of jihadists in the Al-Arja village in Sinai last week. The operation was in fact, carried out by an Israeli drone aircraft that had violated Egypt’s airspace, this was confirmed by unbiased and independent, international news sources. A spokesperson for the Egyptian military then made a statement confirming that the explosion had occurred in the area and that they were combing the area to determine the cause. 24 hours later, the same spokesperson announced that the operation had been carried out by the Egyptian army with an Egyptian apache. To cover up the contradictions and confusions they sank deeper into this swamp of lies and announced that subsequent operations had been carried out by the Egyptian army in the Al-Toma area.

Events in Egypt are being explained away by this motto and are glossing over the crime of the century that is being carried out by the coup forces against the Egyptian people. As they killed thousands of martyrs and wound thousands in a massacre that puts the Karadzic and Silajdzic massacres against Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s to shame. As the operators of the media and intelligence machines behind the soup are stuck in their old and tired ways of fabricating events, a series of fires throughout the country targeting establishments and churches have distracted the Egyptians from counting the bodies and calculating the amount of blood spilled by weapons.

The saying “one thing leads to another” applies again here to cover up the cultural and moral shame spread by the coup across Egypt. The burning of churches draws attention to two contradicting statements; the first was made by the Islamic group in Egypt when they warned against targeting Christian places of worship and called on its members to protect the Copts. The second was made by the secretary of the Holy Synod of the Coptic Church of Saint Raphael in Egypt during an appearance on one of the pro-coup television channels, in which he said “If the price of saving Egypt from the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood is burning our churches, we will bear it.”

Obvious cheap propaganda is obvious.
It may be good for a laugh but that's about all is good for.

 

[ELTurco]

İstanbul square to be named ‘Rabia,' Mayor Topbaş says

İstanbul Mayor Kadir Topbaş said Dörtyol Square of the Esenler district will be named Rabia, meaning four or the fourth in Arabic, which has become synonymous with the anti-coup protests in Egypt.




Speaking at the opening ceremony of the Esenler Dörtyol Square on Monday, Topbaş told the press that he will submit an official proposal to the Metropolitan Assembly and Esenler District Assembly to change the new square's name to Rabia.

Topbaş said the idea came from Esenler Mayor Mehmet Teyfik Göksu and commented on the developments in Egypt, “No power can stand against the will of the people.” Esenler Mayor Göksu said the idea of changing the square's name is a demand from the residents of the district.


http://www.todayszaman.com/news-323945-istanbul-square-to-be-named-rabia-mayor-topbas-says.html

 

[hussain0216]

MB's like all the other Islamic radical are bent on leading or destroying. For them it is black or white. For the one year, they were in power, they put Egypt on her knees, and for 5 weeks or saw they occupied the street and kept Egypt hostage..if that is not terrorism , I don't what it is.

Terrorism is about the unlawfull use of force, a legitimate sit in protesting against a military coup is not terrorism.

An elected goverment trying to rule is not terrorism

 

[MooshMoosh]

İstanbul square to be named ‘Rabia,' Mayor Topbaş says
İstanbul Mayor Kadir Topbaş said Dörtyol Square of the Esenler district will be named Rabia, meaning four or the fourth in Arabic, which has become synonymous with the anti-coup protests in Egypt.

Speaking at the opening ceremony of the Esenler Dörtyol Square on Monday, Topbaş told the press that he will submit an official proposal to the Metropolitan Assembly and Esenler District Assembly to change the new square's name to Rabia.

I wonder what he will say after seeing this

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

Mass slandering prabogandas of pro junta media constanly going on against MB..
an foolish example of junta media..pretending Tv serie 'Curb your Enthusiasm' of US..

They say Egypt is Sisi..Doctor is Sisi businesman is Sisi, Teacher is Sisi, Citizen is Sisi, Butcher is sisi, Killer Sisi, Sellout is Sisi, Rascal is Sisi, Dishonorable is Sisi etc...

 

[MooshMoosh]

People trying to save wound from the Firaun (Pharoah) El Sissi.

and welcome back Mubarak

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/20/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[Frogman]

The banality of those who support Morsi is quite laughable.

 

[Hussein]

Mass slandering prabogandas of pro junta media constanly going on against MB..
an foolish example of junta media..pretending Tv serie 'Curb your Enthusiasm' of US..

They say Egypt is Sisi..Doctor is Sisi businesman is Sisi, Teacher is Sisi, Citizen is Sisi, Butcher is sisi, Killer Sisi, Sellout is Sisi, Rascal is Sisi, Dishonorable is Sisi etc...

and by saying such bullshit, you think you are smart ?
damned

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

and by saying such bullshit, you think you are smart ?
damned

i said less stuffs than a killer of thousands unarmed protestors deserved..
you have an objection ??or i misunderstood you .?

BTW, Pissi junta regime executed 25 his own unarmed police near Rafah border town in Sinai to create pretexes to accuse MB on terrorism..
Junta gegime had police got on bus and later send them to duty place without any arms and protection..

 

[MooshMoosh]

and by saying such bullshit, you think you are smart ?
damned

Yes, keep spreading lies. I got a cartoon for you to understand

 

[Ceylal]

İstanbul square to be named ‘Rabia,' Mayor Topbaş says

Of course they are scared for their hide.

 

[Solomon2]

Mubarak's Muslim Brotherhood Prophecy

by Raymond Ibrahim
August 15, 2013 at 4:00 am

Violence must always be presented as a product of political oppression, and Islamists as the misunderstood victims.
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In a video of Hosni Mubarak when he was still Egypt's president, the strategies of which he accuses the Muslim Brotherhood have come to pass. What follows are Mubarak's words from a conference in Egypt (date unknown; author's translation):

So they [Brotherhood and affiliates] took advantage of the economic situation by handing out money -- to one man, 100 Egyptian pounds, or about $30 dollars, [saying,] "Here take this bag of glycerin and throw it here," or do this or that — to create a state of instability in Egypt. And these groups — do not ever believe that they want democracy or anything like that. They are exploiting democracy to eliminate democracy. And if they ever do govern, it will be an ugly dictatorship. …. Once a foreigner told me, "Well, if that's the case, why don't you let them form parties?" I told him, "They'd attack each other." He said, "So let them attack each other." I came to understand that by "attack each other" he thought I meant through dialogue. For years, we have been trying to dialogue with them, and we still are. If the dialogue is limited to words, fine. But when the dialogue goes from words to bullets and bombs… [Mubarak shakes his head, and then provides anecdotes of the Egyptian police and security detail being killed by Brotherhood and affiliates. These anecdotes include one about how 104 policemen were killed in 1981, and one about how one officer was shot by MB while trying to save a boy's life.] The point is, we do not like bloodshed, neither our soldiers' nor our officers'. But when I see that you are firing at me, trying to kill me—well, I have to defend myself. Then the international news agencies go to these [Islamist] groups for information, and they tell them, "They are killing us, they are killing us!" Well, don't you [news agencies] see them killing the police?! I swear to you, not one of the police wants to kill them—not one of us. Then they say, "So, Mr. President, you gave orders to the police to open fire indiscriminately?"—I cannot give such an order, at all. It contradicts the law. I could at one point be judged [for it].​

Consider Mubarak's exchange with "a foreigner," who interpreted Mubarak's "they'd attack each other" in apparently Western political terms of "dialogue." The habit of projecting Western approaches onto Islamists—who ironically represent the antithesis of the West—is one of the chief problems causing the West to be blind to reality, one which insists that violence must always be presented as a product of political oppression, and Islamists as the misunderstood victims.

Whatever one thinks of Hosni Mubarak, the following three points he makes have proven true:

• Mubarak: "And these groups—don't ever believe that they want democracy or anything like that. They are exploiting democracy to eliminate democracy. And if they ever do govern, it will be an ugly dictatorship." Quite so. While paying lip service to democracy, once the Brotherhood came into power under former President Muhammad Morsi, they became openly tyrannical: Morsi gave himself unprecedented powers for an Egyptian president, appointed Brotherhood members to all important governmental posts, "Brotherhoodizing" Egypt (as Egyptians called it), and quickly pushed through a Sharia-heavy constitution. Under Morsi's one year of rule, many more Christians were attacked, arrested, and imprisoned for "blasphemy" than under Mubarak's thirty years.
• Mubarak: "Then the international news agencies go to these groups [Brotherhood] for information, and they tell them, 'they are killing us, they are killing us!' Well, don't you [new agencies] see them killing the police?!" Now that the Brotherhood has been ousted and is promoting terrorism in Egypt—especially against its Christian minority—trying to push the nation into an all-out civil war, they are in fact feeding the international media the old lie that they are innocent, peaceful victims in an attempt to garner Western sympathy.
• Mubarak: "They took advantage of the economic situation by handing out money." Funded by rich Wahhabi states, the Islamist organizations bought their way into Egyptian society and power. Prior to elections, they paid—bribed—Egyptians to vote for them; and after their ousting, they are paying people—along with beatings and forms of coercion—to stay with them in Rad'a al-Adawiya Square, and provide them with numbers, seemingly for practical and propagandistic purposes.

In Egypt, however, where the Muslim Brotherhood was born, one soon learns that, when "dialogue" does not go the way Islamists want it to, it's back to terrorism. This requires a more realistic approach, or, in the words of Mubarak, a man who, like his predecessors, especially Gamal Abdel Nasser, is intimately acquainted with the Brotherhood: "When I see that you are firing at me, trying to kill me—well, I have to defend myself."

Raymond Ibrahim is author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam's New War in Christians (published by Regnery in cooperation with Gatestone Institute, April 2013). He is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an associate fellow at the Middle East Forum.​