Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[MooshMoosh]

Graphic...not for the lightly hearted

There was a pro Islamist protest in Cairo or Mansour, Alexandria, Sinai and Republician Guard's HQ.

 

[MooshMoosh]

My deepest sympathies MooshMoosh for your loss...The AKP will join the Egyptian MB soon..

No. AKP and MB are different, one is sucessful and the other wasn't but both have one thing in common, Islamist.

 

[pkuser2k12]

THREAD SOURCE IS UNVERIFIED AND FALSE​

This is the main web page from where blogger translated

can some Arabic kindly see if he translated correctly​

IT IS NOT VERIFIED AND SOURCE IS FACEBOOK PAGE WHICH BLOGGER SAYS CANT BE VERIFIED AS TRUE BUT HE STILL POSTS IT

Muslim Brotherhood site says Egypt’s new president is secretly Jewish​

By Max Fisher, Published: July 5, 2013 at 11:02 am

IkhwanOnline, the official Web site of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, posted an article on Thursday asserting that the country’s new interim president, Adly Mansour, is secretly Jewish. The article, since taken offline, suggested that Mansour was part of an American and Israeli conspiracy to install Mohamed ElBaradei, a former U.N. official and Egyptian opposition figure, as president.

Mansour, the supreme justice of Egypt’s Supreme Constitutional Court, was sworn in as interim president on Thursday after the military announced that President Mohamed Morsi was no longer in charge. Morsi was a close ally of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has held large demonstrations protesting his ouster. That the Muslim Brotherhood would be suspicious of Mansour, and of the military that toppled Morsi to install him, is not surprising.

Still, the IkhwanOnline article suggests that some elements of the Muslim Brotherhood may be indulging in conspiracy theories that ignore their own role in public outrage about Morsi’s rule and may be promoting the anti-Semitic ideas that engendered so much international skepticism of their rule. There is no indication that there is any truth to the article.

The article cited as its source the purported Facebook page of an al-Jazeera Arabic broadcaster, although it’s not clear whether the Facebook page is real. The article claims that Mansour is “considered to be a Seventh Day Adventist, which is a Jewish sect” (in fact, Seventh Day Adventism is considered part of Protestant Christianity). It further claims that Mansour tried to convert to Christianity but was rebuffed by the Coptic pope, a major Egyptian religious figure, who supposedly refused to baptize him.

The article goes on to connect Mansour’s appointment as president to a global conspiracy involving the United States, Israel and Mohamed ElBaradei. According to a translation by the site MBInEnglish, which is run by Cairo-based journalists and dedicated to translating Brotherhood-penned articles into English, the article claimed that ElBaradei had refused to participate in a conference that denied the Holocaust. This, it says, was “a token gesture offered to the Jews by ElBaradei so that he can become President of the Republic in the fake elections that the military will guard and whose results they will falsify in their interests. All with the approval of America, Israel and the Arabs, of course.”

The article has since been removed, suggesting perhaps that someone in the Brotherhood had acknowledged the potential for criticism. It would be wrong to conclude from just this one article that the Muslim Brotherhood was retreating back into some of its worst habits: conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism, the insistence that no disagreement could be legitimate. But now that the group has been forced from power, this is a very real risk — not just for the group and its chances of regaining power, but for an Egyptian political system that is dangerously divided.


SOURCE:

Washington post blogs

Muslim Brotherhood site says Egypt’s new president is secretly Jewish


@WebMaster
@Oscar

RAW007 is posting blogs whose sources are even not confirmed by write kindly close this thread

he has not provided link for this thread as i have posted original blog above unverified by blogger himself and neither the following thread on PDF

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/262447-policeman-killed-attack-peshawar-church.html

 

[Ceylal]

This is sad, a democrate president who barely controlled the country for a year and now toppled by the general shows that democracy failed in Egypt.

Democracy didn't fail in Egypt, it never existed. Morsi was ejected because of the will of the Egyptian. 30 million protestors can't be ignored. In a democracy, Morsi would have resigned, the army didn't have a choice but to depose him and install a transition leader to organize new elections.
Anyway, political Islam has shown its limit. You can't feed and employ egyptian with a sharia meal. Egyptian society is already deeply devout , she doesn't need another dose of Bronze age Islam...They clamor for work, habitat, equality, something Morsi could not deliver.

 

[pkuser2k12]

Seems like Egyptian people did the right thing. Although I generally oppose revolutions but this seems like a good decision. A responsible political party should not issue such ridiculous statements.

it is unverified and a lie see my previous post it is a blog who quoted the source as facebook page and says it is unverified source

 

[Ceylal]

Will off ALLAH is involved in everything but this can be due to major sins of Egyptian people which led to the ouster of a good man and don't worry soon Islamists would be back if not brother hood than the salafists in Egypt but seculars life would be soon turned into living hell

Egyptian army and the Egyptian security apparatus are very well oiled and equipped to deal with any armed rebellion of the brothers. Egyptians nailed political Islam coffin for good and their action will have a big repercution on the countries were Islamist got elected due to the arab spring.! Egyptiens Un grand Bravo for your accomplishment!

 

[babajees]

Democracy didn't fail in Egypt, it never existed. Morsi was ejected because of the will of the Egyptian. 30 million protestors can't be ignored. In a democracy, Morsi would have resigned, the army didn't have a choice but to depose him and install a transition leader to organize new elections.
Anyway, political Islam has shown its limit. You can't feed and employ egyptian with a sharia meal. Egyptian society is already deeply devout , she doesn't need another dose of Bronze age Islam...They clamor for work, habitat, equality, something Morsi could not deliver.

30 million demonstraters? Are u out of ur @ss??

Morsi got more than 60 million votes..

And if u want to see some protest. Tune in right now to Al jazeera.. Millions and millions of proesters chanting "shoot at us.. kill us.. we are no longer scared of you" after Army shot more than 16 ppl and injured many!

Fake liberals who support democracy elsewhere but army in #egypt, shame on you. How much time did you give morsi (barely 1 yr) vs 30 yrs to hosni mubarak..

Don't forget, egyptian army is number 2 in terms of military aid adter Israel from uncle sam!!

 

[babajees]

Egyptian army and the Egyptian security apparatus are very well oiled and equipped to deal with any armed rebellion of the brothers. Egyptians nailed political Islam coffin for good and their action will have a big repercution on the countries were Islamist got elected due to the arab spring.! Egyptiens Un grand Bravo for your accomplishment!

Yeah they nailed it so good.. after 60 yrs of torture etc, MB still came.out on top! Got a HUGE HUGE majority! Only way American allied army though they can get rid of muslims qas through another coup.. shame

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

30 million demonstraters? Are u out of ur @ss??

Morsi got more than 60 million votes..

And if u want to see some protest. Tune in right now to Al jazeera.. Millions and millions of proesters chanting "shoot at us.. kill us.. we are no longer scared of you" after Army shot more than 16 ppl and injured many!

Fake liberals who support democracy elsewhere but army in #egypt, shame on you. How much time did you give morsi (barely 1 yr) vs 30 yrs to hosni mubarak..

Don't forget, egyptian army is number 2 in terms of military aid adter Israel from uncle sam!!

?????60 million
he got 5 in first round 13 in the second just not to bring former regime

 

[Ceylal]

Originally Posted by Jamaal Yelmaaz
4- and one of the main reason that makes me too anxious is TIMING. Timing of toppling MB is terrible for the FSA and other opponents that fighting againist Assad regime..That military coup could break morale of FSA ...

Their carnage speaks volume about their moral..it is their morality that need a dose of humanity..

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

People get to understand that it's not Islam vs Secularism as the MB are trying to show it. Not every Muslim with a beard is a good guy. Afterall, it's not like other Arab leaders and their people are not Muslims. Ousting the MB was definitely a good thing not only for Egypt but also for all Arab countries. As for what would happen to Egypt will only be decided by Egyptians themselves, whether they choose to go ahead with development or just keep fighting till things get worse god forbid.

No. AKP and MB are different, one is sucessful and the other wasn't but both have one thing in common, Islamist.

So, you were saying king Abdullah of Jordan would get ousted by Islamists..What happened?

 

[Ceylal]

the brotherhood's blood has been shed for decades now. Inshallah brotherhood will be back

Fat chance...We all witnessed its funerals...Bravo Egypt!

Brotherhood supporters amassing in Cairo??

Futile...That boat sailed.

 

[Solomon2]

After Morsi: 6 thoughts on the ouster of an undemocratic, elected president

American hesitancy, the Brotherhood’s extreme anti-Semitism, and how the short-lived leader was the architect of his own downfall

By DAVID HOROVITZ July 4, 2013, 3:52 pm

Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi addresses the nation in a televised speech on Tuesday, July 2. (photo credit: AP Photo/Egyptian State Television)​

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As the Arab Spring moves via the Islamist Winter into the Unpredictable Summer, six thoughts on the ouster of Egypt’s president and its possible repercussions.

1. Elections do not equal democracy

In case anyone needed reminding, true democracy involves a great deal more than elections, even relatively free elections like those that brought Mohammed Morsi to power. A genuine, thriving, stable democracy requires the protection of a range of rights and freedoms, not just a one-time opportunity to cast a ballot. These include freedom to vote your conscience without fear of the consequences, true freedom to speak your mind, access to diverse and uncensored media, minority rights under majority rule, freedom of religion and of assembly, and a great deal more.

Egypt had hardly begun the process of transition to such an era, and Morsi did not accept many of democracy’s imperatives. Now this vast, failing country is back to square one, with the nondemocratic ouster of an undemocratic, elected president.

2. America’s incoherence

It is striking, however, that the world power best qualified — in terms of its influence, its financial clout, and its moral standing — to at least try to signal a path that would lead to long-term democracy has become so marginal to what began as the Arab Spring. The United States chose not to support the brief, brave push for freedom in Iran in 2009; it has tried to keep out of the ongoing slaughter in Syria; it opted to encourage the ouster of Hosni Mubarak in 2011 and sought to delude itself about the anti-democratic, Islamist nature of the Muslim Brotherhood. And it appears simply to have thrown up its hands in self-assumed impotence at the events of the last few days, sending incoherent messages that few are even bothering to try to interpret.

It makes for a sorry coincidence, at a time when the United States is rightly celebrating its own independence, that it today seems so hesitant in helping those who seek to chart the complex course to similar freedom in the Arab world.

3. Meanwhile, in Gaza

The Israel-Hamas ceasefire that concluded last November’s Operation Pillar of Defense was brokered by Egyptian foreign minister Kamel Amr. Amr tendered his resignation to president Morsi earlier this week. Now Morsi has gone too, and with him, for now, his Islamist regime. The Islamist Hamas, by contrast, is very much here, in charge, running Gaza. Morsi, the duly elected president of Egypt, was overthrown in good part because of the will and guts of the Egyptian people. What does it say about the will and guts of the Palestinians in Gaza that Hamas, which took control in a violent coup against an elected Palestinian president, still so firmly retains its hold?

4. Worse than Morsi

Mohammed Morsi is an anti-Semite who, before the West was looking at him closely, publicly castigated Israelis as “these blood-suckers, who attack the Palestinians, these warmongers, the descendants of apes and pigs” and said, of Jews, “They have been fanning the flames of civil strife wherever they were throughout history.” So entrenched is his anti-Semitism that even in meetings, as president, with American politicians whom he had every interest in cultivating, he proved unable to restrain himself from issuing utterances so viciously hostile to Jews, I am told on excellent authority, that his polite US guests came close to walking out on him. And Morsi (who restored Egypt’s ambassador to Israel), it is widely and credibly asserted, is far from the most extreme voice when it comes to the leadership ranks of the Brotherhood.

Morsi’s ouster notwithstanding, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is anything but finished. It mustered the support of half the country in elections, and retains the support of a goodly proportion of those voters. Nobody should be laboring under the delusion that widespread Islamist-led incitement against Israel is likely to recede with Morsi’s departure.

5. Israel’s continuing solid ties with the Egyptian army

While the Brotherhood strategizes on how to respond to the coup against its president — violent opposition, or a more gracious approach that could yet enable it to regain the leadership — the fear is that Egypt will now be torn between Islamist forces on the one hand, and a revived, nationalist, neo-Nasserist mentality. Neither of these camps, needless to say, is well-disposed to Israel. Strikingly, indeed, it is the Egyptian army that has maintained what Israeli security officials openly acknowledge is a well-coordinated relationship with Israel, even over the past year of the Morsi government. The hope in Israel is that this quietly effective relationship can be preserved, and the army’s legitimacy maintained in the eyes of the Egyptian masses, even as Egypt again finds itself plunged into revolutionary crisis.

6. Appointing the man who brought him down

Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi speaking on state television, July 3. (Screenshot: Egypt State Television/ AP)​

Iran’s Islamists cemented their hold on power after ousting the shah by taking firm control of the armed forces. In Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan has long been engaged in a similar process, ousting and jailing generals, and replacing them with loyalists or intimidated nonentities. If Mohammad Morsi now finds himself with time on his hands for reflection, he might consider that one of his less astute moves was his appointment as military chief, just 10 months ago, of one Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

 

[Imran Khan]

news is they beaten solders on streets too ?

 

[hussain0216]

This hasent destroyed the Muslim brotherhood its has empowered and enabled it

In Pakistan one of the major problems was military coups, you had poor governments who were terrible for the country but because of repeated military coups the rubbish politicians just claimed that they could not govern and if had not been for the coup they would have succeeded in fixing the country

They were of course lying but this is the excuse they used

If the idiot liberals in Egypt had just allowed democracy to reign the brotherhood had 4 years to either flourish or screw up

If they screwed up then the would not be voted for thel liberals then could rule in peace


instInstead you have made the Muslim brotherhood into MARTYRS

They are now the just, the wronged, the deposed

Instead of liberal idiots ruling in peace they have the military in controle

The muslim brother's will now haunt them at every step, the poor of egypt I.e the majority will get countless brotherhood speeches and because Egypt is economically screwed the situation of the poor will get worse


So you haven't buried the muslim brotherhood instead you have set youeself up to fall


Ramadan is the time for the brotherhood to go protest crazy