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[Cheetah786]

Perish the thought, you will always be welcome. Lets forget that Irani Mullah's backed a walayat e Faqih revolution in a Sunni majority country and the innocent sounding Tehreek Nifaz e Fiqh Jaafria .

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[iranigirl2]

Perish the thought, you will always be welcome. Lets forget that Irani Mullah's backed a walayat e Faqih revolution in a Sunni majority country and the innocent sounding Tehreek Nifaz e Fiqh Jaafria .

Only two Shia militant groups in Pakistan and not one of them ever attacked innocent people, but only to protect themselves , family and community against terrorists.

Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan


Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan is a Shia group formed in the early 1990s as a response to sectarian violence against Pakistani Shia orchestrated by Wahabi Militant Deobandi movements such as Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

During the 1980s, Zia-ul-Haq allowed and encouraged the Militant Wahabi Islamization of Pakistan. One of the organizations that arose in this period was the Sipah-e-Sahaba, a Wahabi Deobandi-supremacist militant group that considered the Shiite minority to be non-Muslim. The Wahabi Militia Sipah-e-Sahaba targeted Shiite mosques, community leaders, as well as Iranian visitors and diplomats. They orchestrated the assassination of Iranian diplomat Sadiq Ganji in Lahore. They were also involved in the killing of Iranian Air Force cadets visiting Pakistan in the early 1990s, when sectarian attacks on Shiites in Pakistan were at their peak. Both acts occurred in the northern city of Rawalpindi and greatly disturbed contemporary Pakistan-Iran relations.

Sipah-e-Muhammad's primarily aim was to target the leaders of Wahabi Militia Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. However, with the subsequent rise in violence against Shiites, it was thought to be reforming.

 

[Sedqal]

Only two Shia militant groups in Pakistan and not one of them ever attacked innocent people, but only to protect themselves , family and community against terrorists.

Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan


Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan is a Shia group formed in the early 1990s as a response to sectarian violence against Pakistani Shia orchestrated by Wahabi Militant Deobandi movements such as Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.


During the 1980s, Zia-ul-Haq allowed and encouraged the Militant Wahabi Islamization of Pakistan. One of the organizations that arose in this period was the Sipah-e-Sahaba, a Wahabi Deobandi-supremacist militant group that considered the Shiite minority to be non-Muslim. The Wahabi Militia Sipah-e-Sahaba targeted Shiite mosques, community leaders, as well as Iranian visitors and diplomats. They orchestrated the assassination of Iranian diplomat Sadiq Ganji in Lahore. They were also involved in the killing of Iranian Air Force cadets visiting Pakistan in the early 1990s, when sectarian attacks on Shiites in Pakistan were at their peak. Both acts occurred in the northern city of Rawalpindi and greatly disturbed contemporary Pakistan-Iran relations.

Sipah-e-Muhammad's primarily aim was to target the leaders of Wahabi Militia Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. However, with the subsequent rise in violence against Shiites, it was thought to be reforming.

I detest them too, point remains Irani Mullahs after the nutty revolution tried to start a revolution in Pakistan and backed groups like Tehreek Nifaz e Fiqh Jaafria (Movement for Implementation of Shi'ite Fiqh) in a Sunni dominant country. Any one with half a brain can see what would be the end result of Wilayat e Faqih in Pakistan it would be Saddam's Iraq or Assad's Syria.

Saudi's started their own proxies AFTERWARDS - so much for Muslim Ummah and brothers in faith

 

[Solomon2]

Dismiss the Egyptian People and Elect a New One

July 4th, 2013 - 6:38 am

Update: Why can’t we get 14 million people into the streets to proclaim that Obama is an idiot like the Egyptians did? Over at ZeroHedge, Jim Quinn posts pictures of the banners in the mass demonstrations. They are inspiring.

One read: “Obama you jerk, Muslim Brotherhoods are killing the Egyptians, so how come they can guarantee you the security of Israel. Hey Obama, your deal with the Muslim Brotherhood is unsuccessful. Obama you idiot, Keep in mind that Egypt is not Muslim brotherhoods and if you don’t believe that go and see what’s happening in Tahrir Square now.” Another reads, “Obama, your ***** is our dictator.” A picture of Hillary Clinton read, “Hayzaboon [ogre] go home.” Many banners simply read, “Obama supports terrorism.” Others were too harsh to mention in a family site. Happy 4th of July!

As Communist writer Bertolt Brecht offered after East German workers rose against their Moscow-backed masters in 1953, perhaps the Egyptian government should dismiss the people and elect a new one.

Don’t laugh. Mexico did this after the debt crisis of the early 1980s: it dismissed the fifth of its population that moved to the United States. China has dismissed its rural population and recreated a new urban population, by 2020 shifting the equivalent of twice the American population from countryside to city.

Egypt’s problem is that it has no practical way of acting on Brecht’s advice. The Egyptian people are dying; the question is whether they will die slower or faster. I prefer slower, so I am pleased by this turn of events.

Starvation is the unstated subject of this week’s military coup. For the past several months, the bottom half of Egypt’s population has had little to eat besides government-subsidized bread, and now the bread supply is threatened by a shortage of imported wheat. Despite $8 billion of aid from Qatar and smidgens from Libya, Turkey, and others, Egypt is struggling to meet a financing gap of perhaps $20 billion a year, made worse by the collapse of its major cash earner — the tourist industry. Malnutrition is epidemic in the form of extreme protein deficiency in a country where 40% of the adult population is already “stunted” by poor diet, according to the World Food Program. It is not that hard to get 14 million people into the streets if there is nothing to eat at home.

Nearly half of Egyptians are illiterate. Seventy percent of them live on the land, yet the country imports half its food. Its only cash-earning industry, namely tourism, is in ruins. Sixty years of military dictatorship have left it with college graduates unfit for the world market, and a few t-shirt factories turning Asian polyester into cut-rate exports. It cannot feed itself and it cannot earn enough to feed itself, as I have explained in a series of recent articles. Someone has to subsidize them, or a lot of them will starve. Unlike Mexico, Egypt can’t ship its rural poor to industrial nations in the north.

Egypt’s people embraced the military because they remember that the military used to feed them. In fact, the military probably can alleviate the food crisis, because — unlike the Muslim Brotherhood– Egypt’s generals should be able to count on the support of Saudi Arabia. Saudi King Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz congratulated Egypt’s military-appointed interim president on Wednesday night, while the United Arab Emirates expressed “satisfaction” at the course of events. Only the crazy emir of Qatar, the patron of al-Jazeera television and an assortment of Islamist ideologues, had backed the Brotherhood — and his son replaced him last week. The Saudi monarchy hates the Brotherhood the way Captain Hook hated the crocodile: it is the only political force capable of overthrowing the monarchy and replacing it.

Former President Morsi seized power from the military in August 2012, the day that the visiting emir of Qatar appeared in Cairo with a $2 billion pledge to the regime. At the time I warned (in a note for the Gatestone Institute) that “Qatar’s check to the Muslim Brotherhood makes Egyptian stability less likely.” I argued at the time:

Qatar’s $2 billion is a drop in the bucket; it just replaces the reserves that Egypt lost last month. So is a $3.5 billion IMF loan, under discussion for a year. The Obama administration has been telling people quietly that the Saudis will step in to bail out Egypt, but the Qatari intervention makes this less likely. The eccentric and labile Emir is the Muslim Brotherhood’s biggest supporter; its spiritual leader, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi (who supports suicide bombings against Israel) lived in exile during the Mubarak regime. Qatar funds al-Jazeera television, the modern face of Islamism. The Saudis hate and fear the Brotherhood, which wants to overthrow the Saudi Monarchy and replace it with a modern Islamist totalitarian political party. Qatar has only about $30 billion in reserves and can’t sustain Egypt for long.

Qatar is something of a wild card: it is ruled by an Emir without even the checks and balances that arise from having a large family behind a monarchy, as in Saudi Arabia. The whimsical Emir just bought the Italian firm of Valentino as a gift for his fashion-conscious second wife — not a dress, but the entire company. His support evidently emboldened the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to take on the military in the aftermath of the Sinai crisis. But that makes stability in Egypt less rather than more likely, because it gives the Saudis, the only funder capable of bailing out Egypt, reason to stand aside.​

Qatar has spent nearly a third of its foreign exchange reserves in a Quixotic effort to project power in Egypt, which might explain why the old emir abdicated in favor of his son. With the Muslim Brotherhood out of the way in Egypt, the Saudis have uncontested influence with the military. Presumably the military will suppress the Brotherhood unless it chooses to dissolve spontaneously. No one should mourn the Brotherhood, a totalitarian organization with a Nazi past and an extreme anti-Semitic ideology.

The notion that this band of Jew-hating ****** thugs might become the vehicle for a transition to a functioning Muslim democracy was perhaps the stupidest notion to circulate in Washington in living memory.

The Saudis have another reason to get involved in Egypt, and that is the situation in Syria. Saudi Arabia’s intervention in the Syrian civil war, now guided by Prince Bandar, the new chief of Saudi Intelligence, has a double problem. The KSA wants to prevent Iran from turning Syria into a satrapy and fire base, but fears that the Sunni jihadists to whom it is sending anti-aircraft missiles eventually might turn against the monarchy. The same sort of blowback afflicted the kingdom after the 1980s Afghan war, in the person of Osama bin Laden. Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been fighting for influence among Syria’s Sunni rebels (as David Ottaway reported earlier this week at National Interest). Cutting off the Muslim Brotherhood at the knees in Egypt will help the KSA limit potential blowback in Syria.

Egypt probably can be kept on life support for about $10 billion a year in foreign subsidies, especially if the military regime can restore calm and bring the tourists back (although that is a big “if” — one of President Morsi’s last acts was to appoint as governor of Luxor province an associate of the Islamist terrorists who massacred 62 tourists in Luxor in 1997). With about $630 billion in foreign exchange reserves, Saudi Arabia can carry Egypt for a couple of years while the Syrian crisis plays out. Saudi Arabia also has covered a good part of Turkey’s huge payments deficit during the past couple of years, which means that Ankara will dance to Riyadh’s tune.

This is the background to the Saudi monarch’s enthusiastic statement of congratulations to the Egyptian military, released almost immediately after the takeover was announced:

In my own name and on behalf of the people of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, I congratulate you on assuming the leadership of Egypt at this critical point of its history,” said the king in a cable carried by the Saudi Press Agency (SPA). “By doing so, I appeal to Allah Almighty to help you to shoulder the responsibility laid on your shoulder to achieve the hopes of our sisterly people of the Arab Republic of Egypt.

At the same time, we strongly shake hands with the men of all the armed forces, represented by General Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, who managed to save Egypt at this critical moment from a dark tunnel God only could apprehend its dimensions and repercussions, but the wisdom and moderation came out of those men to preserve the rights of all parties in the political process.

Please accept our greetings to you and deep respect to our brothers in Egypt and its people, wishing Egypt steady stability and security.​

I expect Saudi Arabia to offer Egypt subsidized oil as well as cash for urgent food purchases, allowing the military to appear as national saviors — at least for the time being. It is not clear what the Muslim Brotherhood will do, but apart from seeking martyrdom, there is not much that it can do.

In the Beltway, to be sure, the same folk on left and right who thought the “Arab Spring” would usher in a golden era of Muslim democracy are wringing their hands over the tragic fate of Egypt’s first democratically elected government. These include Republicans as well as Democrats, whom I qualified as “Dumb and Dumber” in a May 20 essay for Tablet. The sequel — call it “Dumb and Dumberer” — is still playing on CNN and Fox News. No matter: the important matters are now in the competent hands of Prince Bandar, whose judgment I prefer to that of John Kerry or Susan Rice or John McCain any day of the week. The best-case scenario would be for the grown-ups in the region to ignore the blandishments of the Obama administration as well as the advice of the Republican establishment, and to do what they have to do regardless.

Americans who want to conduct a great experiment in democracy will have to take their laboratory somewhere else.

 

[Battle of Kursk]

In short americans finally got what they wanted, another civil war.

@smuhs1 I know you got exactly what you wanted too, another civil war.

 

[iranigirl2]

I detest them too, point remains Irani Mullahs after the nutty revolution tried to start a revolution in Pakistan and backed groups like Tehreek Nifaz e Fiqh Jaafria (Movement for Implementation of Shi'ite Fiqh) in a Sunni dominant country. Any one with half a brain can see what would be the end result of Wilayat e Faqih in Pakistan it would be Saddam's Iraq or Assad's Syria.

Saudi's started their own proxies AFTERWARDS - so much for Muslim Ummah and brothers in faith

The Tehrik-e-Jafaria, Pakistan is a Shia political party in Pakistan. It was formed in 1979 with the name Tehrik-e-Nafaz-e-Fiqah-e-Jafaria as result of enforcement of controversial Islamic laws and politicization and discrimination against Shias in Pakistan Army and Civil Service.



Sectarian violence in Pakistan

In the early years of sectarian conflict, extremist Sunnis clashed with Ahmadis, until they were declared non-Muslims in 1974 by the national assembly of Pakistan through an amendment in constitution. Under continuing rule of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, sectarianism in Pakistan, especially in Karachi and South Punjab, became quite violent as the process of Islamization began in the Pakistani judicial system.

Social laws, which had been tolerant of the open-sale of alcohol, intermingling of the sexes, etc. were severely curtailed by Zia's laws, although hardliners in both the Shia and Sunni camps were largely in favor of his restrictions. The process eventually came upon issues in which Sunni and Shia viewpoints differed. In such instances Zia favored the Sunni interpretation of Islam over the Shia one, causing a rift between the two communities.



Ahmadis were also trying to take over the Sunni majority country ?

 

[Homajon]

It was a mistake that Iran interfered in Pakistan, but this was three decades ago. Today Iran isn't supporting anybody in Pakistan.

 

[Sedqal]

oh please, look up MB terrorism in Syria, which is why Alasad cracked down on those terrorists...

anyways to answer you :

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html

Saddam said the same. It is funny how things work in Muslim countries:

Saddam was monster who used any means to prolong his stay when majority detested him - Since he was Sunni, sunnis support him as a knee jerk reaction.

Assad is monster who used any means to prolong his stay when majority detests him - Since he is Shia, Shi'ites support him as a knee jerk reaction.

Every other detail be damned. We have seen what happened in Iraq, similar is the fate of Syria.

 

[iranigirl2]

It was a mistake that Iran interfered in Pakistan, but this was three decades ago. Today Iran isn't supporting anybody in Pakistan.

Fact is, the Shias have always been the victims, even when Iran interfered it was solely based on the fact that Shias were getting killed and a lot of Iranians in Pakistan were also getting killed.

We never supported militants in Pakistan to go and kill innocent Sunnis or take over the country and turn it into a Shia county!

Both sides can be blamed for the violence, but fact remains to this day predominant Sunni militant groups are often blamed for attacks on the minority Shias (Shiites) resulting in reprisal attacks by them.

Sectarian violence in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Battle of Kursk]

@Developereo

Again, there are democratic avenues to address such excesses of authority. Military coups are not the way to go.

The only democratic avenue left was an all out violent reaction, which no doubt would have led to a lot more blood shed.
What you don't seem to understand is that democratic election does not give the elected government tyrannical powers for the 4 year period, they still have to listen to the masses. Morasi was clearly ignoring incredible amounts of protestants, both in number and in % of the Egyptian population.

Because it is a military coup.

In which the military retains no extra power while transferring the power to a civilian and through election back to the people? which really is what Morasi should have done in the first place. BTW don't you think it's a bit ironic that Morasi was himself installed as president following an election the Military organized and thanks to a military coup against Mobarak (which was also instigated by the masses)?

Loud, tantrum throwing mobs are no substitute for a proper election.

So about 1 of every 5 Egyptians is a tantrum throwing mob? how about the additional tens of millions who have supported this from their homes? In fact I was positively surprised of the low violence levels in the protests, except the sexual harassment and rapes I believe they were close to western standards. I think your remark here is extremely rude to the Egyptian people.

@Neptune

And from my perspective People of Egypt or the army is either pro-Iran or non of them.

I seem to remember the opposite, that the army is mostly against Iran. They have protested against Murasi meeting with Iranians. It is partially caused because Iranian supported Beduin gangs killing Egyptian army men in Northern Sinai (not directly supported, but they are as link in arms transfers to Gaza).

@MooshMoosh

The West hates Islam so they wanted MB out and the Arab monarchies are anti MB, everyone knows it.

Right, and that is why the West has accepted millions of Muslim Asylum seekers into their countries and has provided for them...

 

[Sedqal]

The Tehrik-e-Jafaria, Pakistan is a Shia political party in Pakistan. It was formed in 1979 with the name Tehrik-e-Nafaz-e-Fiqah-e-Jafaria as result of enforcement of controversial Islamic laws and politicization and discrimination against Shias in Pakistan Army and Civil Service.



Sectarian violence in Pakistan

In the early years of sectarian conflict, extremist Sunnis clashed with Ahmadis, until they were declared non-Muslims in 1974 by the national assembly of Pakistan through an amendment in constitution. Under continuing rule of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, sectarianism in Pakistan, especially in Karachi and South Punjab, became quite violent as the process of Islamization began in the Pakistani judicial system.

Social laws, which had been tolerant of the open-sale of alcohol, intermingling of the sexes, etc. were severely curtailed by Zia's laws, although hardliners in both the Shia and Sunni camps were largely in favor of his restrictions. The process eventually came upon issues in which Sunni and Shia viewpoints differed. In such instances Zia favored the Sunni interpretation of Islam over the Shia one, causing a rift between the two communities.



Ahmadis were also trying to take over the Sunni majority country ?

1 - Funny how a party which wanted to enforce Jaafria Fiqh on an above 85% Sunni population was made just after the Nutty revolution in Iran? Too much of a co-incidence? And funny how for the percieve injustices Shi'ites decided they will make a party which will enforce a Fiqh unacceptable to 85% population. Maybe they thought Pakistanis will be as docile as Iranis

2 - You should be the last one to talk about Ahmedis, Ahmedis are Bohris of Pakistan. Though not being a complete nutcase myself I can sympathize with their plight.

3 - You see this is what really gets me, you don't give a flyin fk about Shi'ites in Pakistan. Sitting securely in Iran you unleashed a reaction in which countless Shi'ites have been killed. For you its only an influence game, Khomeni had to showoff how much power he exerts on Shi'ites of Pakistan without thinking for a second what will happen as a result. I can easily fathom what will happen if Pakistan tries t stir Sunnis in Iran against their govt.

 

[Developereo]

Nearly half of Egyptians are illiterate.

Which is why some people believed that Morsi -- the guy who improved ties with Russia and China -- was an American puppet, whereas the Egyptian army (weaned on American aid) and the English banner wielding urban and media elite were saving Egypt from American domination.

Jew-hating ******

The Jewish victimhood parade never ends, does it?

The Egyptian politics is about Egypt, not Jews.

 

[Sedqal]

Fact is, the Shias have always been the victims, even when Iran interfered it was solely based on the fact that Shias were getting killed and a lot of Iranians in Pakistan were also getting killed.

We never supported militants in Pakistan to go and kill innocent Sunnis or take over the country and turn it into a Shia county!

Both sides can be blamed for the violence, but fact remains to this day predominant Sunni militant groups are often blamed for attacks on the minority Shias (Shiites) resulting in reprisal attacks by them.

Sectarian violence in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh Again with the 'victim' chants, Shi'ites were far far better before you decided to use them as foreign policy tool. Their misery started after the nutty revolution, not before it. Check the stats (I know it can be a chore)

 

[iranigirl2]

Shabaab comments on Egyptian coup


Just one day after the Egyptian military overthrew the elected government led by President Mohamed Morsi and the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood political party, criticism from jihadist groups is beginning to appear. Predictably, the jihadists are arguing that the Muslim Brotherhood has been misguided in attempting to gain power and impose sharia, or Islamic law, by following the democratic process. Jihadists are appealing to members of the Muslim Brotherhood, particularly the "youth," by saying that jihad, and not political participation, is the answer.

Shabaab weighed in on this very issue today in a series of tweets on its official Twitter account. The tweets are reproduced below. Note Shabaab's rhetoric: "change comes by the bullet alone; NOT the ballot"; "the only solution for change: Jihad"; and "Islam can never be fully established without a guiding Qur'an and the sword to support it" (this last tweet was directed at the Muslim Brotherhood "youth").

The effects of the Egyptian coup may not be fully understood for years, but one thing seems clear: the event has provided al Qaeda and other jihadists with plenty of grist for the propaganda mill. It remains to be seen how effective this argument may be, but it is likely that some disaffected Muslim Brotherhood members will be swayed by these arguments.

Tweets from Shabaab on the Muslim Brotherhood:




Read more: Shabaab comments on Egyptian coup - Threat Matrix

 

[Battle of Kursk]

@RAMPAGE

Many of those deserve respect even from a non Muslim like myself. It seems that he truly wanted the best for his country, that can't be taken away. Still it seems that his ideas of "improving" Egypt were opposed to those of many, if not most Egyptians in one way or another. Good will is not enough.
Personally I am happy for the Egyptian people for such a smooth revolution, it is admirable. That said, I am not sure it was the best thing for Egypt. Egypt is economically in a hole and revolutions and unstable government is never good for business. Economy should be priority #1 for Egypt, because the way things are going at the moment it's only a matter of time till people will begin starving. Many Egyptians are already suffering from malnutrition.
Of-course only the future holds the answers of what was best.

Best wishes to the people of Egypt.