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SCALPs are coming once France can take out US made parts and put in French made parts. I think the same for meteors but i'm not sure.















You know, Syria is getting boring right now. I wonder if Russia my transition to Libya factoring in they are already operating aircraft, and mercs there.
 
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SCALPs are coming once France can take out US made parts and put in French made parts. I think the same for meteors but i'm not sure.





since 2018 they siad it sir but never see any update since then . it seems R&D will take so long that may be tech became obsolete then .









You know, Syria is getting boring right now. I wonder if Russia my transition to Libya factoring in they are already operating aircraft, and mercs there.
 
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that is wy someone need to be answered.

Main armament of the RJAF F-16s is the AIM-9 Sidewinder, although the RJAF was hoping to acquire the AIM-120 AMRAAM for a long time. On November 24th, 2004 a deal was announced in which Jordan would receive up to 50 AIM-120C missiles and associated equipment in a deal worth $39 million

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its nightmare for maintenance / logistics /spares/ weapons/deployment /training / ground support . everything effected with this sir . for example sometime a rafale landed emergency on f-16s sqn base then they have to send a c-130 loaded with rafale support unit to bring it back . same apply on other aircraft too . its need so much of pain . i have witnessed an aircraft parked 3 days in his own country waiting for support to come and take it back to home base .


at this look it seemed procurement heads don't know what they are doing . creating huge issue for all other departments . off course it will not be public but at command level its seems a big issue sir . they need to take take out 3 type of aircrafts now mirage-5 mig-21 and f-7 SHOULD GO FOR GOOD . keep rafale MK2 /f-16/mig-29 su35 .it will be a bit hard for them but manageable .


its not work like this at time of need sir .2/3 type of aircrafts are ideal. 3/4 type are hard but manageable for big country . more then that anything is really mess a deep mess . aircrafts are not cars they need so much to be done before fly . give you a simple example ?
Kushok Bakula Rimpochee’s 9,000-foot runway is situated 11,000 feet above sea level. The Su-30 doesn’t work well in those conditions, according to Cooper. “They're happy if the jet can launch while carrying two [air-to-air missiles],” Cooper wrote. “And brake-discs and tires must be replaced after every single sortie.”

now what if its landed somewhere else ? a team with brake disks have to go and bring it back with APU /pre and after flight test equipment / evaluation computers / refueling connectors (in-case) even logs of that jet have to go there . its messy situation .

they already have 4 countries jets in service USA-CHINA-RUSSIA-FRANCE no one left then EU only
You r right sir, eventually thay are creating diversity in there attack line, but in actual and long run thay will be paying more and more to vendors for maintenance then actual use.

Second point i see, thay dont have clear doctrine nor want to device it, so thay dont know what will suit accordingly to there unknown doctrine. That way , adding every high end machine available in limited numbers (offcouse thay can, as thay are not ones paying for it)
 
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It won't become obsolete any time soon with proper updates. US has been using Tomahawk for decades with software updates occasionally.
 
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You guys talk about the Eygptian military like it's meant to be there to protect Eypgt. It is there to protect American interests in Eygpt from Eygptians. They are sold weapons, funded in part by the American taxpayer and in part by the Eygptian taxpayer. These sales are exercises in lining the pockets of generals and rewarding them for loyalty to Uncle Sam. No Arab country can have a military which is a threat to Israel. In exchange the Eygptian military ruthlessly controls Eygpt to the tune of the USA.
That is not true! The weakness of the Arab armies comes more from the way of governing, the traditions and lately the religion. Arabs are tribal in nature and their loyalty goes first to to their tribe and then to the state. Their armies are built in the same Sam way...There is no unity among the units...that's one of their weakness..Second the chain of command that is very bureaucratic and very centralized....thats hampers the field commanders since they have to wait the orders to come from above in order to take actions or respond to a threat..Religion is another hurdle that they need to surmount..Otherwise Israel is a fair game. Hezbollah proved it..
 
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It won't become obsolete any time soon with proper updates. US has been using Tomahawk for decades with software updates occasionally.
USA is a beacon of tech and they are menufacturer of system while egypt is buyer and FYI its already 18-20 years old tech sir .they are already working on scalp replacement FC/ASW program .
 
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SCALPs are coming once France can take out US made parts and put in French made parts. I think the same for meteors but i'm not sure.

@Imran Khan


Pour autant, le veto américain à l'exportation d'un missile de MBDA été un électrochoc, qui a entraîné une prise de conscience des vulnérabilités importantes en France et en Europe. Des décisions ont depuis été prises. MBDA tente effectivement de limiter les effets dévastateurs à l'export de la réglementation ITAR. Ainsi, le missilier a entrepris un long travail de désITARisation du missile Scalp, qui a pris plusieurs mois. Quelle était la solution pour en sortir ? Le missilier européen devait réaliser des investissements en matière de recherche et de technologie pour être en mesure de fabriquer un composant analogue, qui échappe au dispositif ITAR. Une opération qui était réalisable dans un délai raisonnable. Aujourd'hui, « le problème est derrière moi », a assuré le PDG de MBDA, Antoine Bouvier, lors de la présentation des résultats de son groupe il y a une semaine.

However, the American veto on the export of an MBDA missile was an electroshock, which led to an awareness of significant vulnerabilities in France and Europe. Decisions have since been made. MBDA is indeed trying to limit the devastating effects of ITAR regulations on exports. Thus, the missile maker undertook a long work to desITARIZE the Scalp missile, which took several months. What was the solution to get out of it? The European missile maker had to make investments in research and technology to be able to manufacture an analogous component, which escapes the ITAR device. An operation that was achievable within a reasonable time. Today, "the problem is behind me", assured the CEO of MBDA, Antoine Bouvier, during the presentation of the results of his group a week ago.


https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...noeud-coulant-des-etats-unis-itar-812016.html

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The article is from last year.
 
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The Egyptian Air Force operates 220 F-16s, making it the 4th largest F-16 operator in the world. The F-16 is the EAF's primary frontline aircraft, and is used for both air defence and ground attack.
After the Yom Kippur war, Russia stalled deliveries of new aircraft. Because of this, Egypt turned to other suppliers, notably France and the US. In 1979 the government of Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel, ending over 30 years of tension and hostilities. With the peace treaty signed, Egypt became a major recipient of United States military aid.

Deliveries of Western equipment started with French Mirage 5 aircraft and US F-4E's. In the early 80s, Egypt ordered Mirage 2000's and F-16A/Bs, followed by F-16C/Ds in the mid-eighties.
On June 25, 1980, Egypt signed a letter of agreement to acquire 42 block 15 F-16A/B fighters (34 single-seaters and 8 two-seaters) under the Peace Vector I FMS (Foreign Military Sales) program. The first F-16 was accepted by the Al Quwwat al Jawwiya Ilmisriya (Egyptian Air Force) during a ceremony at Fort Worth in January of 1982, with the first six planes arriving in Egypt on March 16th of that year. F-16B #9207 was rather exceptional, as it was built by Fokker in The Netherlands. By 1997, all Block 15 aircraft were (or were being) modified to block 42 standard (see 'Modifications'). Since Egyptian Air Force F-16s were acquired under Foreign Military Sales, they carry USAF serial numbers for administrative purpose. In service, they carry a four-digit EAF serial number on their vertical tails.
Peace Vector II
One year later, Egypt ordered 40 additional F-16C/D's (34 C's and six D's) with AIM-7 Sparrow capability. These were block 32 machines, and were some of the few examples of F-16C/D's being built that were compatible with the AIM-7 Sparrow. In October of 1986, the first F-16C arrived in Egypt under Peace Vector II. The 242nd Regiment at Beni Suef began operating F-16C/D's in October 1986. By 1997, all block 32 aircraft were modified to Block 42's (see 'Modifications').

Peace Vector III
In June of 1990, Egypt signed an order for 35 block 40 F-16C's and 12 Block 40 F-16D's, powered by the General Electric F110 turbofan. This order was under Peace Vector III, and these planes were intended to equip two squadrons as well as to make up for attrition. The first Peace Vector III F-16s were delivered to Egypt in October of 1991.

Peace Vector IV
A contract to produce 46 Block 40 F-16C/D's for the Egyptian Air Force was placed with TUSAS Aerospace Industries (TAI) of Turkey. 34 of them will be F-16C's, 12 will be F-16D's. This was carried out under the auspices of the Peace Vector IV program, and marked the first sale of a foreign-built Fighting Falcon to a third-party nation in the history of the F-16 program. The first aircraft was delivered in early 1994, and deliveries continued into 1995. All but one of the earlier F-16s for Egypt had originated on the Lockheed/General Dynamics production line at Fort Worth. For formal bureaucratic reasons dealing with the rules and regulations under which the Foreign Military Sales program operates, TAI is not allowed to deliver F-16s directly to Egypt. Instead, the aircraft are initially delivered to the USAF, which then turns them over to Egypt. Egypt had received a total of 175 Fighting Falcons by the time all the TAI machines were delivered.
Peace Vector V
In May 1996 the governments of Egypt and the United States signed an agreement providing for the sale of 21 new F-16C/D Block 40 aircraft to the Egyptian air force. The contract is worth $670 million. That is Egypt's fifth order of F-16s over the last fifteen years. The new Egyptian aircraft will be manufactured in Fort Worth. Deliveries begin in 1999. The engines will be the General Electric F110-GE100B's. Egypt will use the new production F-16s as well as the modernized F-16s to maintain a self defense capability. These new aircraft, as well as the aircraft being delivered from prior F-16 purchases, will replace aging Soviet-origin aircraft. As it might turn out, these new aircraft will be spread among the existing F-16 Block 40 units at Abu Suwayr and Genacklis.

LMTAS' Fort Worth plant began building the first of these 21 F-16s in 1999.

Peace Vector VI
In February 1999, the US Government and Egypt were close to announcing approval for sale of 24 new build F-16s for the Egyptian Air Force. Financing for the sale is in place through the US FMS program. Once the US Embassy in Egypt finishes writing the official letter of offer and acceptance, the deal can be announced to Congress. Congress is not likely to oppose the deal, since Egypt already has taken delivery of 196 of the aircraft, and 24 more will not shift the balance of power in the area.

On March 6th of that same year, the United States agreed to sell Egypt $3.2 billion worth of new American weapons, including 24 F-16 Block 40 aircraft, 200 M-1A1 tanks and 32 Patriot missiles. Egypt would pay for the arms from the $1.2 billion a year it gets in US military aid. The 24 F-16 fighters would cost $1.2 billion.

Peace Vector VII
On December 24th, 2009 the US signed a contract with Egypt for the delivery of 20 new F-16s under the known Peace Vector series. Notification to Congress already happened last October, so everything is ready to finalise this deal. With this new order the number of F-16s delivered to Egypt raises to 240. Although Egypt has a large fleet of GE powered block 40s, the new deal compromises PW powered block 52 versions. The order compromises 16 C-models and 4 D-models.

Modifications & Armament
Together with the 5th order, Egypt decided to modify older F-16C/D aircraft in-country through Engineering Change Proposals detailing requirements for the installation and integration of HARPOON and GBU-15 weapons capability, aircraft radar modifications and other related elements of program support. Principal contractors for the upgrade program will be McDonnell Douglas, St. Louis, Mo.; Rockwell International, Tactical Systems Division, Duluth, Ga. and the Westinghouse Electronic Systems Group, Baltimore, M.D.

All aircraft in the Block 15 and 32 series have been or will be upgraded with most Block 40/42 features, thus retaining the Pratt&Whitney F-100 engines and the small inlet ducts. As a consequence, every Egyptian F-16 (Block 15, 32 or 40) can accommodate the LANTIRN-system (they have been modified with the holographic HUD) giving them full autonomous laser weapon handling (i.e. GBU-15's, AGM-65D's). Together with the 6th deal, a batch of AGM-88 missiles was also delivered for usage on the block 40 airframes.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article4.html




U.S. agrees not to sell AMRAAM to Egypt

The United States was said to have agreed to an Israeli request to restrict the capability and use of advanced air-to-air missiles to Jordan and ban their sale to the rest of the Arab world.

The London-based A-Sharq Al Awsat reported on Wednesday that Israel persuaded the Bush administration to impose a set of restrictions on the sale of the AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile to Jordan. Earlier, the administration had agreed in principle to a Jordanian request for the AMRAAM for the kingdom's F-16 fleet.

The newspaper asserted that Israel agreed to an arrangement in which the AMRAAM would be sold to Jordan. But the agreement included a U.S. commitment to ban the export of the air-to-air missile to other Arab states.

Earlier this year, the administration relayed an informal request to Congress to sell the AMRAAM to Egypt. Several senior House and Senate members expressed their opposition to the proposed sale.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1151.html
The SWFCS is a Chinese fire control system that allows the integration of Chinese ammunition into Western and Russian fighters.. it is an abbreviation for "Stand alone weapon and fire control system". It is like an interpret or hacking system of Western aircrafts computers..

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The system allows the use of Chinese ammunition for air-to-air and air-to-surface combat on Western and Russian fighters..The system consists of GMME and is intended for ground systems and is an abbreviation for Ground Mission Management Equipment

The other system is PWC, that is a system that is installed in the cockpit in front of the pilot next to the vertical display system HUD ..it is called Portable wireless controller..

The system also consists of a launcher that is installed on the external suspension points and the installation of missiles and bombs with it

China has tested the SWFCS fire control system on Su-27 fighters..The system is provided by Catic and is available for export.

The system is easy to install and does not take long..


*Egypt had Chinese experts "visit" its F-16s a few time..which have angered the US.. But Egypt needed to have alternative BVR possibilities for its 4th largest fleet of F-16s in the world.. in case of war..
 
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dont you think at the end price will be paid by common egyption public ? if there will be chaos ? war is not a joke sir . i think let politicians fight each others with words . i think if egyption military gone weaker world will suffer from terror anarchy and worse case closure of suez canal then every human suffers . best way is stop this madness of ME and everyone come on table talk and solve issues once forever .


i think egypt already have so much burden now

mirage5
mirage 2000
f-16s
mig-29s
su-35
rafale
mig-21
f-7
light aplha jets


how many more types of aircrafts needed here ?:lol:
Its not Turkey who start the war. Turkey helped Libya to stop eeryday bombing of Tripoli. So, from your perspektiwe, LIbya is not your brothers? when they die, you dont ount them?
on the other hand, imagine Pakistan plans to attak its border with Afganistan to stop terror there and Iran says if you do, ill attak you, what are you going to do? say that lets stop, they are also muslim? when they do bombings eery single day.?
sometimes it is better to think it wide and feel yourself in it...
Turkey were able to arm ephyopia, or Sinai but they didnt, they dont do easy things whih harm your friendly nation. but if somebody attak you, you hae to protekt
 
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Bringing Syrians to fight in Libya is nothing but an insult directly to say Syrians are worth nothing and that Libya isnt' either
Fax, Islamists lost in Syria already and they should stay with their sinking ship.
 
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@MastanKhan what are your views on it . you are angry on PAF but i think here we can see a crime against nation . world 4th largest fleet of f-16 lack modern weapons and they can be targeted very easily without AMRAAM .

Hi,

They just keep getting them for free---. For the reason of BVR---the egyptians are on a buying spree---french---russian---italian / english---.
 
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Yes only 50 of HARPOON Missiles ... Egypt can not produce even Cruise Missile



Egypt has upgraded its five E-2C to 2000 standard and link-16 include the 2000 standart ?

problem is Egyptian Airforce 200 F-16 block15/32/40 dont have link-16
that means 200 Egyptian F-16s and 50 MIG-29M2s are without network centric warfare capability


Turkish Airforce 192 F-16 Block50M/52s have link-16 for network centric warfare capability
also 60 F-16C equipped with SPEWS-II Electronic Warfare Suite
and Turkish Airforce 192 F-16 Block50M/52s armed with 26km AIM-9x , 75km AIM-120B , 120km AIM-120C7 air to air missiles .. 150km HARM anti radiation missiles , 110-130km KGK and JSOW glide Bombs .. 280km SLAM-ER and SOM Cruise Missiles ( land attack/anti ship )

E-2D has Link16 capability.
I didn't know the thread was a comparison between EAF and TuAF F-16s?
 
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They have Sparrow, it is a BVR but SARH not ARH.
AIM-120 is better.. but the Sparrow has an edge over the AMRAAM .. It is very resistant to jamming..as the adversary aircraft need to jam the lunching aircraft radar itself...too..
 
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