Education: PTI’s plan exposed

[Dalit]

Yahoodbhoy.

 

[El Sidd]

Highlighted the parts I thought were worth mentioning and need to be questioned.

Why didn't you highlight the part of an unsolved murder mystery?

Faida kia hua apki degree ka. Aag laga kar chai pee jao uski

 

[Nilgiri]

Comments? @Jungibaaz @saiyan0321 @niaz

 

[Lincoln]

I want my Children to be Muslim. I want them to read the Quran and understand it. something faux brownie communist have a hard time digesting but so be it.

And you don't want them to understand Newton's Second Law or something like that? Will they find the formulae in the Quran, or will they learn how to build stuff from the Quran?

Edit: I don't know how to explain this to you, if you're this thick headed. Nothing wrong with religious education. The problem here is that, schools, a place which are supposed to place heavy emphasis on critical thinking and sciences, are doing the exact opposite under the new unifying curriculum.
Get this through your head, instead of letting out your day's frustrations on "liberals, communists, whatever-the-****-you-are." Literally none of that is the point.

 

[Path-Finder]

And you don't want them to understand Newton's Second Law or something like that? Will they find the formulae in the Quran, or will they learn how to build stuff from the Quran?

Let me ask you something, I spent a large chunk of my life following the politics of the left here in Britain. But I wish I had spent more time on deen instead.

what will you say about me? do you think that I am on the wrong Path?

 

[Lincoln]

Let me ask you something, I spent a large chunk of my life following the politics of the left here in Britain. But I wish I had spent more time on deen instead.

what will you say about me? do you think that I am on the wrong Path?

No, I will not say that. You're entirely, entirely missing my point. I have friends who did Madrasseh education too, to learn the Quran, I am not hating that.

But schools, they're places to learn sciences and develop critical thinking. If you dilute that part of its curriculum, and put more emphasis on the religious aspect, doesn't it defeat the very purpose of schools, and what effect will it have in technologically for the country in the future. Consider that.

 

[Path-Finder]

Edit: I don't know how to explain this to you, if you're this thick headed. Nothing wrong with religious education. The problem here is that, schools, a place which are supposed to place heavy emphasis on critical thinking and sciences, are doing the exact opposite under the new unifying curriculum.
Get this through your head, instead of letting out your day's frustrations on "liberals, communists, whatever-the-****-you-are." Literally none of that is the point.

did you add this bit so you don't get any negative response? listen let me try another way! we know that you fellow spectrum folks have a huge contention for Islam. Does teaching Religion kill one's critical thinking? I studied all faiths as part of my secondary school education thats from 11-16. I even reached University to study Pharmacy!

No, I will not say that. You're entirely, entirely missing my point. I have friends who did Madrasseh education too, to learn the Quran, I am not hating that.

But schools, they're places to learn sciences and develop critical thinking. If you dilute that part of its curriculum, and put more emphasis on the religious aspect, doesn't it defeat the very purpose of schools, and what effect will it have in technologically for the country in the future. Consider that.

look you don't have to change your views because of me. really whatever you believe in that is your choice. I was like you in thinking and I am not in anyway or form mocking you because I used to lean politically in that manner.

But after many years on that bandwagon I left it and its gladly behind me now.

 

[Lincoln]

did you add this bit so you don't get any negative response? listen let me try another way! we know that you fellow spectrum folks have a huge contention for Islam. Does teaching Religion kill one's critical thinking? I studied all faiths as part of my secondary school education thats from 11-16. I even reached University to study Pharmacy!


look you don't have to change your views because of me. really whatever you believe in that is your choice. I was like you in thinking and I am not in anyway or form mocking you because I used to lean politically in that manner.

But after many years on that bandwagon I left it and its gladly behind me now.

Negative response, blah blah, I don't give fucks about it. I speak my mind.

This is your choice. You received a good education, not an education where you would have 5 hours of the religious class followed by 1 hour of science class. Be thankful for that because next year onwards, that would be the life of an average Pakistani student, at least from the 1st to 4th class.

But anyway, if you don't realize what the issue with that is, then I don't know.

 

[Desert Fox]

Education: PTI’s plan exposed
Pervez Hoodbhoy Updated 18 Jul, 2020
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BE prepared, Pakistan! Imran Khan’s government is poised to inflict damage upon this country’s education system in a manner never seen before. Its so-called Single National Curriculum (SNC) hides systemic changes going far deeper than the ones conceived and executed by the extremist regime of Gen Ziaul Haq. Implementation is scheduled for 2021.

At first glance a uniform national curriculum is hugely attractive. Some see it striking a lethal blow at the abominable education apartheid that has wracked Pakistan from day one. By the year, a widening gap has separated beneficiaries of elite private education from those crippled by bad public schooling. So what could be better than the rich child and the poor child studying the same subjects from the same books and being judged by the same standards?

But this morally attractive idea has been hijacked, corrupted, mutilated and beaten out of shape by those near-sighted persons now holding Pakistan’s future in their hands, and who, like their boss, kowtow to the madressah establishment. Prime Minister Khan was widely criticised in 2016-17 for making huge grants to madressahs of the late Maulana Samiul Haq, self-professed father of the Taliban who was murdered by an associate in mysterious circumstances.

The SNC massively prioritises ideology over education quality and acquisition of basic skills.

As yet only SNC plans for Class I-V are public. But the huge volume of religious material they contain beats all curriculums in Pakistan’s history. A column-by-column comparison with two major madressah systems — Tanzeemul Madaris and Rabtaul Madaris — reveals a shocking fact. Ordinary schools will henceforth impose more rote learning than even these madressahs. Normal schoolteachers being under-equipped religiously, SNC calls for summoning an army of madressah-educated holy men — hafiz’s and qaris — as paid teachers inside schools. How this will affect the general ambiance and the safety of students is an open question.

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The push for a uniform national curriculum idea derives from three flawed assumptions:

First: It is false that quality differences between Pakistan’s various education streams stem from pursuing different curricula. When teaching any secular subject such as geography, social studies or science, all streams have to cover the same topics. While details and emphases obviously differ, each must deal with exactly seven continents and water being H2O.

Instead, learning differentials arise because students experience very different teaching methods and are evaluated using entirely different criteria. So, for example, a local examination board will typically ask a mathematics student to name the inventor of logarithms whereas an ‘O’-level student must actually use logarithms to solve some problem. The modern world expects students to reason their way through a question, not parrot facts.

Second: It is false that a hefty dose of piety will somehow equalise students of Aitchison College and your run-of-the-mill neighbourhood school. The legendary Mahmood and Ayyaz prayed in the same suff (prayer line) and established a commonality without ending their master-slave relationship. Similarly, rich and poor schools will remain worlds apart unless equalised through school infrastructure, well-trained teachers, high quality textbooks and internet access. How the needed resources will be generated is anybody’s guess. Under the PTI, defence is the only sector seeing increases instead of cuts.

Third: It is false that school systems belonging to the modern world can be brought onto the same page as madressahs. Modern education rests squarely upon critical thinking, and success/failure is determined in relation to problem solving and worldly knowledge. Madressah education goals are important but different. They seek a more religiously observant student and a better life after death. Understandably, critical thinking is unwelcome.

While some madressahs now teach secular subjects like English, science and computers, this comes after much arm-twisting. Soon after 9/11, madressahs were spotlighted as terrorist breeding grounds. Musharraf’s government, beholden as it was to America, ordered them to teach secular subjects. Most rejected this outright but others were successfully pressurised. However, madressahs teach secular and religious subjects identically; reasoning is sparse and authoritarianism dominates.

While the new Class I-V SNC document also discusses secular subjects, much of this is pointless tinkering with the minutiae of teaching English, general knowledge, general science, mathematics and social studies. They are not accompanied by plausible plans for how the necessary intellectual or physical resources will be garnered and the plans implemented.

Still bigger changes are around the corner. The Punjab government has made teaching of the Holy Quran compulsory at the college and university level. Without passing the required examination no student will be able to get a BA, BSc, BE, ME, MA, MSc, MPhil, PhD or medical degree. Even the Zia regime did not have such blanket requirements. To get a university teaching job in the 1980s, you had to name all the wives of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and recite some difficult religious passages such as Dua-i-Qunoot. Still, students could get degrees without that. That option is now closed.

Starkly inferior to their counterparts in Iran, India and Bangladesh, Pakistani students perform poorly in all international science and mathematics competitions. Better achievers are invariably from the elite ‘O’-/‘A’-level stream. More worrying is that most students are unable to express themselves coherently and grammatically in any language, whether Urdu or English. They have stopped reading books.

Significantly, as yet the PTI’s new education regime is mum on how it will advance its goal of closing a huge skill deficit. So poor is the present quality of technical and vocational institutes that private employers must totally retrain the graduates. That’s why private-sector industrial growth is small and entire state enterprises, such as PIA and Pakistan Steel Mills, have collapsed. Pakistan’s space programme flopped but Iran has just put a military satellite into orbit and India is well on the way to Mars.

Empowered by the 18th Amendment, Pakistan’s provinces should vigorously resist the regressive plan being thrust upon the nation by ideologues that have usurped power in Islamabad. Else Pakistan will end up as the laughing stock of South Asia, left behind even by Arab countries. Pakistan’s greatest need — and its single greatest failure — is its tragic failure to impart essential life skills to its citizens. To move ahead, the priority should be to educate rather than score political points.

The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

Published in Dawn, July 18th, 2020

https://www.dawn.com/news/1569679/education-ptis-plan-exposed

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Highlighted the parts I thought were worth mentioning and need to be questioned.

This is EXCELLENT news, if true. Someone needs ship that pervaiz hoodhboy to North Korea so he can enjoy his Athiest paradise on earth.

 

[Lincoln]

This is EXCELLENT news, if true. Someone needs ship that pervaiz hoodhboy to North Korea so he can enjoy his Athiest paradise on earth.

Finally an Islamist who lives in Pakistan, and not in Europe or USA

Zia 2.0, here we come.

 

[Desert Fox]

what does hoodbhai say about Pakistan?

He won't talk about this. He wants to hide behind his farce "concern" for Pakistan, when in fact these communist/libturds are the biggest anti-Pakistan elements out there.

 

[Lincoln]

He won't talk about this. He wants to hide behind his farce "concern" for Pakistan, when in fact these communist/libturds are the biggest anti-Pakistan elements out there.

Yes, it's common knowledge that libturds ruled Pakistan for the 90% of lifetime. Definitely not the religiously conservative parties and establishment. TLP, terrorists, Kalashnikov culture, drugs, smuggling, yes, it is all because of libturds.
Lets go back in history.

PPP era - horrible.
PMLN era - horrible.
Ayub Khan era - one of the best.
Musharraf era - good.
Zia era - horrible.
PTI era - horrible.

Notice a pattern?
What is left to argue with extremist idiots who put both their fingers in their ears, and cry about religion? They're useless people who only know how to use religion. The country will continue to be destroyed, but their religion will never cease to be not under attack.

 

[Desert Fox]

Finally an Islamist who lives in Pakistan, and not in Europe or USA

Yeah, i do live in Europe, USA, and Pakistan. Is your @ss on fire because of that?

 

[Path-Finder]

Negative response, blah blah, I don't give fucks about it. I speak my mind.

This is your choice. You received a good education, not an education where you would have 5 hours of the religious class followed by 1 hour of science class. Be thankful for that because next year onwards, that would be the life of an average Pakistani student, at least from the 1st to 4th class.

But anyway, if you don't realize what the issue with that is, then I don't know.

then why did you add an edit? forget it. you speak your mind and don't give a shizzle. fantastic

Let me ask you something, here in Britain some of the best performing schools are Religious schools! some are Islamic schools where its a Madrassa like school!

secondly why does it upset you if the student learns a bit of deen? will that get in the way of his/her development? are you really that sure by learning deen their future is automatically killed?

 

[El Sidd]

Ayub Khan era - one of the best.

Isn't he the one who once faced with war came and read Quranic verses?