ECP in action !!

[Leader]

Tax Return is basic thing, there must not be any dispute on it. But is EC is asking for 2008's tax return, isn't it 2011-12's tax return?

be it any years, comparison hoga tou scrutiny ho jay gi.

 

[Echo_419]

Are the pakistani election going to be held in next 4 days bcauz my result in is 4 days

 

[ajpirzada]

I heard most of these amendment are useless - and ECP don't have resources & time to verify all additional information it is asking in application form?

ya but there are always some black areas which can easily be identified. lik if a person does not have a tax number then u can simply write him off. its the grey areas which need more time which you are right will not be possible in such short time. but atleast some part of the rubbish will go where it belongs.

 

[darkinsky]

if they act promptly and ECP is effective they can do it in one month, it doesnt take too much time to find who didnt pay tax and HEC can show who has fake degree

 

[ajpirzada]

ECP decides to hold polls under new electoral reforms

ISLAMABAD: Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has decided to hold forthcoming general elections under new electoral reforms.

According to ECP member Justice (retd) Riaz Kayani, an ordinance of electoral reforms is being prepared which would be sent to caretaker prime minister for approval soon after the establishment of interim government.

Talking to media here on Tuesday, Riaz Kayani said that on the advice of caretaker prime minister, the president would be bound to promulgate the ordinance within 15 days.

He said that the electoral reforms are necessary to ensure holding of free and fair elections.

Kayani said if government failed to provide Rs 4 billion then it would be difficult to hold elections in time, adding that he doesn't expect the releasing of funds from the current government.

The ECP member expressed hope that the caretaker government would issue the funds.

ECP decides to hold polls under new electoral reforms - thenews.com.pk

 

[Sugarcane]

ya but there are always some black areas which can easily be identified. lik if a person does not have a tax number then u can simply write him off. its the grey areas which need more time which you are right will not be possible in such short time. but atleast some part of the rubbish will go where it belongs.

Few days ago there was report that only 900K (i guess) individual field tax return, that doesn't mean that only 900K paid tax because only salaried persons are in millions and they pay tax (willingly or unwillingly) because salaries are disbursed after tax deduction and over 90% of salaried persons don't have NTN.

So, this mean you have to select candidates from these 900K people (who filed their tax returns). Now question comes to my mind is that how party like PTI (if they decide) will give ticket to a tailor who haven't filed his tax return or a salaried person who paid tax but don't have NTN number?

 

[darkinsky]

but there are other taxes also, property tax for example?

 

[Jazzbot]

Are the pakistani election going to be held in next 4 days bcauz my result in is 4 days

Govt is going home in 4 days and then there will be a care taker govt. for 2 - 3 months, election dates will be announced soon.

 

[Sugarcane]

but there are other taxes also, property tax for example?

In tax return everything have to be declared and every Pakistani must file it and pay taxes. But this is also fact that even those (i.e. salaried Persons) who pay taxes, still don't file it. I didn't see any effort from govt. to facilitate and enforce tax returns. In past you have to even bribe for getting NTN number (don't know current situation) - So, when there is no punishment for not filing tax return and getting just NTN number is messy process than the people who even pay tax honestly will not bother to go through this sh!tty process of dealing with corrupts of FBR. So, IMHO - although it's good decision to enforce this requirement but in this election it will make trouble - I see it as recipe of delaying election.

PS: I am declared voter of PTI, so don't assume that i am talking on behalf of PML-XYZ or PPP

 

[ajpirzada]

Few days ago there was report that only 900K (i guess) individual field tax return, that doesn't mean that only 900K paid tax because only salaried persons are million and they pay tax (willingly or unwillingly) because salaries are disbursed after tax deduction and over 90% of salaried persons don't have NTN.

So, this mean you have to select candidates from these 900K people (who filed their tax returns). Now question comes to my mind is that how party like PTI (if they decide) will give ticket to a tailor who haven't filed his tax return or a salaried person who paid tax but don't have NTN number?

valid question. i guess only ECP can answer this!! its still better to devise some mechanism rather than not doing anything abt it

 

[Durrak]

Destination is too far ..

 

[Sugarcane]

valid question. i guess only ECP can answer this!! its still better to devise some mechanism rather than not doing anything abt it

Very right sir, It's better to have something than nothing - I will say that make it mandatory for voter as well and bar people from cast vote if they don't file tax return. But - what i see is that it will not make dent on PPP & PMLN as you are perceiving because they have money to buy FBR official and getting Tax Return by bribing is not that much difficult, many people who apply for immigration do this - so for status quo mafia it's not a problem, but for people who honestly paid their taxes but didn't filed their return because of laziness are gonna lose.

Anyway - Let's see, how ECP deal with this.

 

[darkinsky]

Very right sir, It's better to have something than nothing - I will say that make it mandatory for voter as well and bar people from cast vote if they don't file tax return. But - what i see is that it will not make dent on PPP & PMLN as you are perceiving because they have money to buy FBR official and getting Tax Return by bribing is not that much difficult, many people who apply for immigration do this - so for status quo mafia it's not a problem, but for people who honestly paid their taxes but didn't filed their return because of laziness are gonna lose.

Anyway - Let's see, how ECP deal with this.

but the problem is, for making public pay taxes you need the people as heads who pay taxes and enforce it on public, if the heads dont pay taxes and dont collect taxes then what can one do something about the voter?

and as the voter list already verified, now its no chance to make the voter list again based on tax payment

 

[Sugarcane]

but the problem is, for making public pay taxes you need the people as heads who pay taxes and enforce it on public, if the heads dont pay taxes and dont collect taxes then what can one do something about the voter?

and as the voter list already verified, now its no chance to make the voter list again based on tax payment

You didn't get my point, as i said our FBR is the most corrupt institute and it's not difficult to make fraudulent tax return. So, assuming that Tax Return mean that person is honest tax payer is naive.

And for voters i am talking about next election, providing that in next 5 years you enforce the culture of filing tax return by facilitating it and making it punishable offense. This will also resolve, problem of fake votes.

 

[ajpirzada]

Very right sir, It's better to have something than nothing - I will say that make it mandatory for voter as well and bar people from cast vote if they don't file tax return. But - what i see is that it will not make dent on PPP & PMLN as you are perceiving because they have money to buy FBR official and getting Tax Return by bribing is not that much difficult, many people who apply for immigration do this - so for status quo mafia it's not a problem, but for people who honestly paid their taxes but didn't filed their return because of laziness are gonna lose.

Anyway - Let's see, how ECP deal with this.

im aware of that. but while sitting out of the system, we can only pray that things may improve with time. so ya lik u said 'lets see, how ECP deal with this' and pray that something good comes out of it