Economic Future of Russia

[Desertfalcon]

The global marketplace and financial institutions may do what NATO is unwilling to...

"It is the markets that are leading the way, not governments, and they are quickening the pace. This is the looming nightmare for the Russian economy and it will have to be dealt with very boldly by the Russian government. To be cut off from global capital markets is not a good idea, he said."

Lord Mandelson sees 'looming nightmare' for Russian economy despite gas deal - Telegraph

 

[mandrom]

The global marketplace and financial institutions may do what NATO is unwilling to...

"It is the markets that are leading the way, not governments, and they are quickening the pace. This is the looming nightmare for the Russian economy and it will have to be dealt with very boldly by the Russian government. To be cut off from global capital markets is not a good idea, he said."

Lord Mandelson sees 'looming nightmare' for Russian economy despite gas deal - Telegraph

Telegraph? lol. NATO propaganda.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Telegraph? lol. NATO propaganda.

Yup. Anything inconvenient always is. Truth is only what we want to believe in. All that capital that left Russia? Didn't really happen if one doesn't want to believe it did.

I can post from a dozen more sources....but of course, the whole world is lying if it disagrees with our opinion.

 

[mandrom]

Yup. Anything inconvenient always is. Truth is only what we want to believe in. All that capital that left Russia? Didn't really happen if one doesn't want to believe it did.

I can post from a dozen more sources....but of course, the whole world is lying if it disagrees with our opinion.

Considering that western media is in war propaganda mode since some time, everything the West claims is propaganda.After all Snowden proved that there is no freedom in USA.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Considering that western media is in war propaganda mode since some time, everything the West claims is propaganda.After all Snowden proved that there is no freedom in USA.

Of course. It's why we don't have massive immigration. It's why everyone is actually trying to get out and flee to other countries like India. It's why I didn't really work for an Indian immigrant family, (They were just CIA actors, dontchaknow!). No one actually wants to come here because our freedom is nothing but a lie and we are actually a tyranny.

Immigrant naturalization ceremony? Nah, clearly all these people are CIA actors!

Immigrants from 65 nations proud to become Americans - seattlepi.com

 

[senheiser]

Yup. Anything inconvenient always is. Truth is only what we want to believe in. All that capital that left Russia? Didn't really happen if one doesn't want to believe it did.

I can post from a dozen more sources....but of course, the whole world is lying if it disagrees with our opinion.

you fail

capital flight is already slowing down it will only 27 billion leaving in coming future, and 90 billion in total this year. But only says how much is leaving not how much comes in, the china deal for example gave russia 22 billion dollar capital from china. The RTX is allready at 1300 points from 1000 points during crimea crisis. So it means most of the capital is already back since many people see an opportunity in russian stocks who are very cheap right now.

the article is complete failure and just westerner raging who are mad at russias gas deal.

Russia's achilles heel is the external debt of private companies and banks. They owe $700bn in foreign currencies, mostly dollars. This has to be rolled over continuously at a pace of almost $10bn a month. While spreads have narrowed as tensions ease slightly in Ukraine, there have been almost no bond issues for three months. Most companies have the cash reserves to survive the drought, but new investment is being choked

yup 700 billion debt thats right, but do you know what?
The World Factbook

UK has 9 trillion

also these 700 billion is a good example why freezing off russia from the finance market could trigger another leeman brothers crisis since all this debt is owed to european banks.

"Russia faces a much more hostile environment. There are profound structural changes in the global energy markets, not just from US shale or the delinking of oil and gas prices, but also from liquefied natural gas from Australia and Qatar, and after that from the Eastern Mediterranean and Africa," he said.

its the other way around, this deal is a huge blow to LNG i already stated it here

Russia-China gas deal more a threat to LNG pricing than volumes

and you wonder why people dont trust any reports more from the West? They are pure propaganda and want to paint the world how they like. they still think they can shape the world with their propaganda like during the cold war.

 

[mandrom]

Of course. It's why we don't have massive immigration. It's why everyone is actually trying to get out and flee to other countries like India. It's why I didn't really work for an Indian immigrant family, (They were just CIA actors, dontchaknow!). No one actually wants to come here because our freedom is nothing but a lie and we are actually a tyranny.

Immigrant naturalization ceremony? Nah, clearly all these people are CIA actors!

Immigrants from 65 nations proud to become Americans - seattlepi.com

lol. Rich are renouncing american citizenship and taking their skills elsewhere to escape high taxes,NSA spying and NDAA type laws for murder without warrant.
Americans Renouncing Citizenship Up 221%, All Aboard The FATCA Express - Forbes

@senheiser ,there was a time when Western media was investigative,independent ,credible.Today they are nothing but propaganda arms of US state dept,GCHQ and NSA.

 

[senheiser]

Of course. It's why we don't have massive immigration. It's why everyone is actually trying to get out and flee to other countries like India. It's why I didn't really work for an Indian immigrant family, (They were just CIA actors, dontchaknow!). No one actually wants to come here because our freedom is nothing but a lie and we are actually a tyranny.

Immigrant naturalization ceremony? Nah, clearly all these people are CIA actors!

Immigrants from 65 nations proud to become Americans - seattlepi.com

its easy to come in but very hard to get out, America fees its citizens abroad and forces them to pay taxes. No other country is doing that, and if they renounce their citizenship they get marked in a public list where everyone can see who gave up their citizenship to stigmatize them just like communist regimes did.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Yup. Anything inconvenient always is. Truth is only what we want to believe in. All that capital that left Russia? Didn't really happen if one doesn't want to believe it did.

I can post from a dozen more sources....but of course, the whole world is lying if it disagrees with our opinion.

i think you know about the russian china gas deal maybe this is just a start both countries would want to deal with someone who wont betray and no matter who much the western invest china can double it

 

[Desertfalcon]

its easy to come in but very hard to get out, America fees its citizens abroad and forces them to pay taxes. No other country is doing that, and if they renounce their citizenship they get marked in a public list where everyone can see who gave up their citizenship to stigmatize them just like communist regimes did.

"Hard to get out"? That would come as a surprise to the millions of Americans who leave to visit any country they want, or the hundreds of thousands of Americans who live as ex-patriots abroad. Do the have to pay taxes? Yes, unlike Russia where the corrupt oligarchs who are friends of Putin can steal the people blind with impunity, in America, the rich pay taxes.

lol. Rich are renouncing american citizenship and taking their skills elsewhere to escape high taxes,NSA spying and NDAA type laws for murder without warrant.
Americans Renouncing Citizenship Up 221%, All Aboard The FATCA Express - Forbes

@senheiser ,there was a time when Western media was investigative,independent ,credible.Today they are nothing but propaganda arms of US state dept,GCHQ and NSA.

Once again, I'm sure you are correct. It's why the USA has become one of the poorest countries in the world. It's why Americans have such a low per capita income.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? You know, life is much less exhausting when one doesn't live in a fantasy world.

 

[Akasa]

The global marketplace and financial institutions may do what NATO is unwilling to...

"It is the markets that are leading the way, not governments, and they are quickening the pace. This is the looming nightmare for the Russian economy and it will have to be dealt with very boldly by the Russian government. To be cut off from global capital markets is not a good idea, he said."

Lord Mandelson sees 'looming nightmare' for Russian economy despite gas deal - Telegraph

And how many private corporations are willing to cut off or reduce ties with Russia just due to the political stances of their respective countries? Putin himself is a good partner of ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson. Revenue is far more powerful than political correctness (or incorrectness). Russia is the 3rd largest recipient of foreign direct investment and there is no sign of it reversing despite the Ukraine crisis. Sorry, but as much as capitalism is respected and great, there are sometimes inherent loopholes that exists to bite the hand that serves it.

The fact is, Russia's economy is booming and there will be tons of investors abroad who are willing to cash in on that. Is a government's stance on an issue powerful enough to make those CEOs think twice about earning money? Take a look at just how many American corporations set up shop in China even amid serious tensions between the governments of the two.

What makes Russia different, especially considering that Russia also has many Western nations by the collar due to their energy dependencies?

 

[Desertfalcon]

And how many private corporations are willing to cut off or reduce ties with Russia just due to the political stances of their respective countries? Putin himself is a good partner of ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson. Revenue is far more powerful than political correctness (or incorrectness). Russia is the 3rd largest recipient of foreign direct investment and there is no sign of it reversing despite the Ukraine crisis. Sorry, but as much as capitalism is respected and great, there are sometimes inherent loopholes that exists to bite the hand that serves it.

The fact is, Russia's economy is booming and there will be tons of investors abroad who are willing to cash in on that. Is a government's stance on an issue powerful enough to make those CEOs think twice about earning money? Take a look at just how many American corporations set up shop in China even amid serious tensions between the governments of the two.

What makes Russia different, especially considering that Russia also has many Western nations by the collar due to their energy dependencies?

Russia's economy is booming? I think you are stuck in pre-2008!

Russia PM: Country's GDP will decline in Q2 - CCTV News - CCTV.com English

BBC News - Russia experiencing recession now, says IMF

Russian slide into recession hastened by fast-dropping ruble | Financial Post

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/w...y-worsens-even-before-sanctions-hit.html?_r=0

IMF cuts Russia 2014 growth outlook, cites Ukraine risk| Reuters

So, to answer your question, "how many?" Apparently....a lot. Look, just as my original post link stated, it is not because these companies are standing in some sort of great ideological solidarity with the West. It's because they are businessmen and Russia under Putin has become a big, big, risk. Putin's invasion of his neighbour and open confrontation with America and NATO was the last straw for them. They are simply NOT going to risk billions in capital investment to a regime in which there is so much uncertainty.

 

[senheiser]

Russia's economy is booming? I think you are stuck in pre-2008!

Russia PM: Country's GDP will decline in Q2 - CCTV News - CCTV.com English

BBC News - Russia experiencing recession now, says IMF

Russian slide into recession hastened by fast-dropping ruble | Financial Post

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/w...y-worsens-even-before-sanctions-hit.html?_r=0

IMF cuts Russia 2014 growth outlook, cites Ukraine risk| Reuters

So, to answer your question, "how many?" Apparently....a lot. Look, just as my original post link stated, it is not because these companies are standing in some sort of great ideological solidarity with the West. It's because they are businessmen and Russia under Putin has become a big, big, risk. Putin's invasion of his neighbour and open confrontation with America and NATO was the last straw for them. They are simply NOT going to risk billions in capital investment to a regime in which there is so much uncertainty.

they have too, we have resources the whole world needs. If the west doesnt want them asian countries will take over.

"Hard to get out"? That would come as a surprise to the millions of Americans who leave to visit any country they want, or the hundreds of thousands of Americans who live as ex-patriots abroad. Do the have to pay taxes? Yes, unlike Russia where the corrupt oligarchs who are friends of Putin can steal the people blind with impunity, in America, the rich pay taxes.

they dont need other countries, they can rob their country in america itself by paying politicians

Once again, I'm sure you are correct. It's why the USA has become one of the poorest countries in the world. It's why Americans have such a low per capita income.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? You know, life is much less exhausting when one doesn't live in a fantasy world.

map just shows why america is the biggest treat to mankind not the other way around, youre a parasite that consumes all resources and wealth, and most of that goes to the 1% of wallstreet

 

[Akasa]

Russia's economy is booming? I think you are stuck in pre-2008!

Russia PM: Country's GDP will decline in Q2 - CCTV News - CCTV.com English

BBC News - Russia experiencing recession now, says IMF

Russian slide into recession hastened by fast-dropping ruble | Financial Post

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/w...y-worsens-even-before-sanctions-hit.html?_r=0

IMF cuts Russia 2014 growth outlook, cites Ukraine risk| Reuters

So, to answer your question, "how many?" Apparently....a lot. Look, just as my original post link stated, it is not because these companies are standing in some sort of great ideological solidarity with the West. It's because they are businessmen and Russia under Putin has become a big, big, risk. Putin's invasion of his neighbour and open confrontation with America and NATO was the last straw for them. They are simply NOT going to risk billions in capital investment to a regime in which there is so much uncertainty.

Actually, buddy, you are taking on a one-sided view. The instability in Russia does not affect all kinds of investors and certainly does not represent a threshold that all investors aren't willing to cross. All the movement in Russia and its activity would be greatly attractive in the eyes of certain sectors that benefit in those situations, such as those of transportation and infrastructure. Companies who are willing to invest in that kind of service would benefit greatly from Moscow's urgent need for such kind of money. Military conflict sets off a cascade of geopolitical, societal, and even cultural changes, the effects of which could make the environment ripe for certain investors who operate in particular niches.

Take a look at a graph of Russia's FDI. When they physically invaded Georgia, which was a far more open conflict than is Crimea, their foreign direct investment did not show any sign of waning.

Ukraine is still significantly restrained than was Georgia and South Ossetia. To say that Ukraine has become a "war" would be erroneous, and to say that such a situation would make Russia an unattractive place for capital inflow overnight would only be relevant to some sectors of the economy. The situation does not have to be a black and white dilemma.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Actually, buddy, you are taking on a one-sided view. The instability in Russia does not affect all kinds of investors and certainly does not represent a threshold that all investors aren't willing to cross. All the movement in Russia and its activity would be greatly attractive in the eyes of certain sectors that benefit in those situations, such as those of transportation and infrastructure. Companies who are willing to invest in that kind of service would benefit greatly from Moscow's urgent need for such kind of money. Military conflict sets off a cascade of geopolitical, societal, and even cultural changes, the effects of which could make the environment ripe for certain investors who operate in particular niches.

Take a look at a graph of Russia's FDI. When they physically invaded Georgia, which was a far more open conflict than is Crimea, their foreign direct investment did not show any sign of waning.

Ukraine is still significantly restrained than was Georgia and South Ossetia. To say that Ukraine has become a "war" would be erroneous, and to say that such a situation would make Russia an unattractive place for capital inflow overnight would only be relevant to some sectors of the economy. The situation does not have to be a black and white dilemma.

What you say about Georgia and South Ossetia may be true....and is also irrelevant to the reaction over the Ukraine, as the five separate links I posted affirm. Clearly a "Rubicon was crossed" with the Ukraine that provoked a very different reaction among companies, banks, and markets, than what the reaction over Georgia was.