Due to dharnas, 4 submarines, 2 jf-17 squardon and more purchases are on hold

[DESERT FIGHTER]

BC Nawaz+Imran+ Qadri. Ab koi Faisla Karlo... 24/7 b dharna dekh dekh k halat kharab huwi lari hai.

 

[TankMan]

No need to swear. .. well all that money is from Pakistan budget. Or is India Pakistan budget shared?

Ok let's say I'm wrong and Nawaz send me 50 million dollar cheque and i'm anti pti now. You said the loss pti gave to state is much smaller than what nawaz steal. So if the loss is 5.5 billion dollar, i suppose much bigger would be $15 billion? Ok fine, $11 billion (double). That means, nawaz stole 1/3 of Pakistaj budget from last year OMG THEIF THEIF THEIF PAKROOO.

So who's gonna become PM of Pakistan when PPP and PMLn won't be allowed? Surely Imran.

If you acknowledge the points in article, you wouldn't have said the loss is not due to Imran. I mean That was thesis of that article.

Chinese president wasn't "officially" finalized, but it was due for mid september. Have you read what chinese embassy said? Of wait, that is owned/influenced by Nawaz

You said all the money i talk about

I meant all the "loss caused by Imran Khan".

You said the loss pti gave to state is much smaller than what nawaz steal. So if the loss is 5.5 billion dollar, i suppose much bigger would be $15 billion? Ok fine, $11 billion (double). That means, nawaz stole 1/3 of Pakistaj budget from last year OMG THEIF THEIF THEIF PAKROOO.

He has been stealing for a long, long while now and will continue to do so for the rest of his term (or life). and PTI did answer the claims against them:
Anti-govt protests : PTI disputes report on losses incurred by sit-ins – The Express Tribune , though I won't debate the credibility of PTI's counter-claims, which may or may not be correct.

So who's gonna become PM of Pakistan when PPP and PMLn won't be allowed? Surely Imran.

Whoever wins the fair elections. You didn't even bother to listen to Imran Khan's demands, did you? He wants the rigging to be investigated without Nawaz's interference so that fair elections can take place later on. He even said something along the lines of "he will accept if PMLN still wins".

If you acknowledge the points in article, you wouldn't have said the loss is not due to Imran. I mean That was thesis of that article.

Most of that loss was caused by PMLN's container blockades of the whole country, though I admit Imran Khan was partially responsible for it too.

Chinese president wasn't "officially" finalized, but it was due for mid september. Have you read what chinese embassy said? Of wait, that is owned/influenced by Nawaz

It isn't mid September yet, now is it? Yes, I read what the chinese embassy said, which includes this:

It is worth pointing out that we have never released any information about President Xi's visit to Pakistan officially. So, there is no basis to say we are about to cancel anything.

I never said anything was owned or influenced by Nawaz, so don't give me that crap.

 

[SrNair]

IK and Qadri cause more loss to country's economy instead of NS govt.

 

[TankMan]

IK and Qadri cause more loss to country's economy instead of NS govt.

Yes, they have been making long marches like this on a regular basis for decades now while poor Nawaz doesn't even have a couple of million dollar apartments in London.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

IK and Qadri cause more loss to country's economy instead of NS govt.

So how do our domestic politics effect you guys? Go worry abt dogvijay,kejriwal,sikular congressis or mayawati.. N sing modi praises.

Thank you.

 

[syedali73]

Yes, this bogus and shameful argument is being repeated on this forum: Every bit of the loss to the economy would go to some Swiss account etc. That's a lie of the highest order. The govt claims Rs. 547 billion in loss but even if it were Rs. 54 billion and even if Rs. 5.4 billion had made to teachers/police etc salaries then that would be still a positive contribution to the country's economy.

This is nothing new (though unfortunate) in Pakistan. Remember what PML(N) supporters did on Feb 25, 2009 and onwards following the SC's ruling on Nawaz's eligibility to be the PM for third time? The whole Punjab was brought to a stand still for weeks to come. Does someone talk about losses then incurred by the PML(N) agitation? Problem is, we as a nation have no appreciation for history for we live in present and appear to be totally oblivious of our past and future. If the 2009 agitation of PML(N) was right, how 2014 agitation of PTI is wrong?

 

[Norwegian]

So yes, whats now is happenning is because of Imran Khan.

Yes good old 'shoot the messenger' approach. Don't blame the ruling government for any wrongdoing and incompetency. Ignore the rigging problems, Minhaj massacre, weak and ineffective governance that is disobeying direct orders of the federal government etc etc. But blame the one's that are protesting for the just cause.

 

[Viper0011.]

Seriously, "without any reason"?
No but I know for sure that Nawaz Sharif's corruption has caused more damage than any protest ever could.

There's plenty of proof everywhere, BBC even made a documentary about Nawaz and his corruption (Titled "From Pakistan to Park Lane"). You won't believe any of the proof or arguments I present anyways, I'm not going to waste my time.

Please enlighten me about Imran Khan's "personal political interests" other than wanting an investigation of a rigged election to prevent the next election being rigged. (No, he doesn't want to be PM). And its not "only in Pakistan", look in your own back yard for once and you'll see how much people care about their countries.

Imran Khan never claimed that. He said that the Chinese President hadn't officially confirmed any visit and so it was not being cancelled, which is correct as per China's embassy:

Alright, let me ask tell you a few things as bullets highlighted above:
1) What reason do you have to blame the $ 500 billion loss due to IK's protests on NS or ANYONE else for that matter? Show us a proof that the money was supposed to go to NS's (or anyone else's bank accounts). I could care LESS about NS as the discussion isn't around him. Its about the loss that a country took and the responsible party is too busy blaming others. So as you accuse others for such a huge loss, do provide credible proofs that this money was going to get into waste anyway.

BTW, say for a second, this money was still going to be burnt or thrown from a hill, it would STILL not have caused some innocents to die, hundreds to get hurt and Pakistan to get a huge reputation hit globally. So no matter how you try to "justify" the waste, it can NOT be justified. The dead are dead and the injured will remain that way till they heal up. And the loss will always be a loss. With 500 Billion, you could've bought many JFT or used -16's and still build every single IDP family a small new home, helping you curb talibanization big times by helping these people from FATA. No matter what reason you bring out, you can't change the facts. However, do give us a proof as I explained above.

2) You said "what are IK's personal interests"? and that "He doesn't want to be a PM". Well, his personal interests are the same like majority of narcissistic people like him, that is to get the power. For the first few days till the Parliament attack and the TV attack didn't produce results, there were CONSTANT chanting on the loud speakers of "Prime Minister IK" and all and he said it a few times himself, along with a few of his party leaders (Videos are available on youtube if you care to search).

So is the fact that "he didn't want to be a PM" OR he realized his political future's dead and having no face saving and seeing a party break due to Parliament and TV attack, he realized he's lost the entire game and due to which, he stopped mentioning that?
(PTI is on the verge of collapse as we speak, you'll see how it breaks in the next few weeks. There are MANY politicians within PTI who are democratic and hated the fact that they had to resign and then didn't even 1% agree with attacking the parliament and the TV station).

3) Sri Lankan president's trip, Turkish president's trip were cancelled due to these failed protests and that's a huge embarrassment to any country. The Chinese president isn't coming from a small country, its a super power now.

Like our President Obama, the Chinese president has a huge security clearance process too. Unless ALL security details are built, agreed to and an entire process is mapped out, no one confirms their visit (unless they are going to Europe which is as secure as the US itself). So EVERYONE knew that there were a few Chinese teams on the ground gathering up security details to map out a security envelop. That didn't happen due to IK's crap and they called it off. And of course, all this wasn't "confirmed" as there was no security clearance!! Learn the process before writing macho statements about it.

Why do you think IK just decided to move to the previous location? PLEASE don't tell me he listened to the Supreme Court as he's violated a lot of laws and the entire constitution constantly. It was the military who told him to take his sorry as*s elsewhere as this drama had caused a LOT of defense procurements to stop and a lot of projects got put on hold. On one call, without questioning, he agreed. This is a level of this guy referred to as the "leader" here by some.

Human lives were lost, hundreds injured and over 500 BILLION worth of loss.......and here some are trying to justify such an abuse of the entire nation and international embarrassment !

Yes good old 'shoot the messenger' approach. Don't blame the ruling government for any wrongdoing and incompetency. .

The point is, all this FAILED drama, couldn't have happened elsewhere? Like around Zero point (ideal place) or in Pinde and all? If this was supposed to be a "Peaceful" protest, it could've happened elsewhere. But it was ALL a big lie, it NEEDED to happen there as the Parliament was there and so was other installations which were going to get attacked.......so who's at fault here? For this part, IK and Mullah, for all killed, hundreds injured and over 500 billion lost, its these two.

How do you solve an issue by violating the constitution, by getting people killed and damaging the country? Do you think IK has ANY role left in the future for him? You think people are stupid and they don't see how shameful loss this entire thing has been?
His own party members that are democratic want him replaced and they are breaking away. Does that not tell you something???

I don't think anyone by doing corruption has ever or can ever cause 500 billion worth of loss to this country. That title goes to IK and Mullah

 

[WishLivePak]

Alright, let me ask tell you a few things as bullets highlighted above:
1) What reason do you have to blame the $ 500 billion loss due to IK's protests on NS or ANYONE else for that matter? Show us a proof that the money was supposed to go to NS's (or anyone else's bank accounts). I could care about NS as the discussion isn't around him. Its about the loss that a country took and the responsible party is too busy blaming others. So as you accuse others for such a huge loss, do provide credible proofs that this money was going to get into waste anyway.

BTW, say for a second, this money was still going to be burnt or thrown from a hill, it would STILL not have caused some innocents to die, hundreds to get hurt and Pakistan to get a huge reputation hit globally. So no matter how you try to "justify" the waste, it can NOT be justified. The dead are dead and the injured will remain that way till they heal up. And the loss will be always be a loss. With 500 Billion, you could've bought many JFT or used -16's and still build every single IDP family a small new home, helping you curb tantalization big times by helping these guys. No matter what reason you bring, you can't change the facts. However, do give us a proof as I explained above.

2) You said "what are IK's personal interests"? and that "He doesn't want to be a PM". Well, his personal interests are the same like majority of narcicistic people like him, that is to get the power. For the first few days till the Parliament attack and the TV attack didn't produce results, there were CONSTANT chanting on the loud speakers of "Prime Minister IK" and all and he said it a few times himself, along with a few of his party leaders (Videos are available on youtube if you care to search).
So is the fact that "he didn't want to" or he realized his political future's dead and having no face saving and seeing a party break due to Parliament and TV attack, he realized he's lost the entire game and due to which, he stopped mentioning that?
(PTI is on the verge of collapse as we speak, you'll see how it breaks in the next few weeks. There are MANY politicians within PTI who hated the fact that they had to resign and then didn't even 1% agree with attacking the parliament and the TV station).

3) Sri Lankan president's trip, Turkish president's trip were cancelled and that's a huge embarrassment to any country. The Chinese president isn't coming from a small country, its a super power. Like our President Obama, the Chinese president has a huge security clearance process too. Unless ALL security details are built, agreed to and an entire process is mapped out, no one confirms their visit (unless they are going to Europe which is as secure as the US itself). So EVERYONE knew that there had been Chinese teams on the ground gathering up security details to map out a security envelop. That didn't happen due to IK's crap and they called it off.

Why do you think he just decided to move to the previous location? PLEASE don't tell me he listened to the Supreme Court as he's violated a lot of laws and the entire constitution constantly. It was the military who told him to take his sorry as*s elsewhere as this drama has caused a LOT of defense procurements to stop and a lot of projects got put on hold. On one call, without questioning, he agreed. This is a level of this guy referred to as the "leader" here.

Human lives lost, hundreds injured and over 500 BILLION worth of loss.......and here some are trying to justify such an abuse of the entire nation and international embarrassment !



The point is, all this FAILED drama, couldn't have happened elsewhere? Like around Zero point (ideal place) or in Pinde and all? If this was supposed to be a "Peaceful" protest, it could've happened elsewhere. But it was ALL a big lie, it NEEDED to happen there as the Parliament was there and so was other installations which were going to get attacked.......so who's at fault here? For this part, IK and Mullah, for all killed, hundreds injured and over 500 billion lost, its these two.

How do you solve an issue by violating the constitution, by getting people killed and damaging the country? Do you think IK has ANY role left in the future for him? You think people are stupid and they don't see how shameful loss this entire thing has been?
His own party members that are democratic want him replaced and they are breaking away. Does that not tell you something???

I don't think anyone by doing corruption has ever or can ever cause 500 billion worth of loss to this country. That title goes to IK and Mullah

He's gonna skim over all that and cherry pick his points and leave you with facepalm. Guaranteed.

 

[acetophenol]

No offence, sometimes I've felt that Pak politicians are the greatest weapons India has got

 

[Viper0011.]

No offence, sometimes I've felt that Pak politicians are the greatest weapons India has got

I agree with you. I remember a friend of mine who's dad was one of the X-IA generals. He used to say that Ms. Gandhi used to tell them that the IA need not worry about Pakistan. Their politicians will destroy their country by themselves.

Sadly, I SEE that example right here in this VERY thread!

He's gonna skim over all that and cherry pick his points and leave you with facepalm. Guaranteed.

Its more like a Brain Not Functioning Palm than a face palm. Won't be surprised and definitely won't be the first time on here!

 

[WishLivePak]

I agree with you. I remember a friend of mine who's dad was one of the X-IA generals. He used to say that Ms. Gandhi used to tell them that the IA need not worry about Pakistan. Their politicians will destroy their country by themselves.

Sadly, I SEE that example right here in this VERY thread!



Its more like a Brain Functioning Palm than a face palm. Won't be surprised and definitely won't be the first time on here!

Yup. I stopped replying to him as a result. He said he agree with article, but at same time his arguments contrary the article. Gave me big facepalm.

And when I showed him how his words mean differently, he said I should work for Israel....

 

[acetophenol]

I agree with you. I remember a friend of mine who's dad was one of the X-IA generals. He used to say that Ms. Gandhi used to tell them that the IA need not worry about Pakistan. Their politicians will destroy their country by themselves.

Sadly, I SEE that example right here in this VERY thread!

Politicians of India and Pakistan are not so different IMO, the difference comes in when India has been a democracy throughout i.e, the armed forces are kept where they should be.

 

[Rank]

Due to 25 days of dharna Pakistan suffering from... Denge, Submarine deal, F22 raptor deal, F35 deal, Electricity load-shedding, Gas load shedding, Floods, economic crisis, 60,000 Pakistani died, Drone attacks everything every mess created because of this dharna... usay pehlay tu Pakistan may dood ke nehrain beh rahe theen WTFck!

 

[ejaz007]

Only happy faces in Pakistan would be Imran Khan and IPP owners if the visit of Chinese President is rescheduled or at worst cancelled.