Drinking liqour is not Haram - Federal Shariat Court

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Like I said, they don't know much about Islam and only know a few negative things like 72 virgins, terrorism and whatever else they see or read in the media.

Once a Croatian doctor said to me ... Tell me how can I become a Muslim.... I am tired of my wife ... I need another one

 

[muse]

Why not if one can afford to and has the need why not have more than one wife ?

Well yes I would think twice if it conflicts with law of the land but I will definitely consider it my right.

And is it not the whole point of to be a Muslim ? Trying to emulate the Prophet PBUH.

Excellent -- Lets allow others to think about what you have claimed as a "right" -- I am thinking of the present day and the question of religious freedom with the polygamist "prophet" of some mormon religion on trial in the US, a saw of picture of him kissing one of his 12 year old wives -- I would request that you also address the question historicizing Quran and the life of the prophet ---- Is "context" merely an apologist position? Does Quran and the life of the prophet exist out of "context"? And if Quran is the word of God, are we as Muslims to hold the life of the prophet, a man (by definition fallible) to be something supernatural, that is to say, not man?

Does Quran ask Muslims to emulate the life of the prophet and does Quran say that is the point of being a Muslim?

 

[T-Faz]

Once a Croatian doctor said to me ... Tell me how can I become a Muslim.... I am tired of my wife ... I need another one

But he can have 50 GF's so then why would he want another wife?

 

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Excellent -- Lets allow others to think about what you have claimed as a "right" -- I am thinking of the present day and the question of religious freedom with the polygamist "prophet" of some mormon religion on trial in the US, a saw of picture of him kissing one of his 12 year old wives -- I would request that you also address the question historicizing Quran and the life of the prophet ---- Is "context" merely an apologist position? Does Quran and the life of the prophet exist out of "context"? And if Quran is the word of God, are we as Muslims to hold the life of the prophet, a man (by definition fallible) to be something supernatural, that is to say, not man?

Does Quran ask Muslims to emulate the life of the prophet and does Quran say that is the point of being a Muslim?

I dont care what the others think about me or Islam .... Like they have cared for Islam for the last 1500 years ....

What is wrong with having a a 12 year old wife ? There are plenty of cases of girls getting pregnant at the age of 12 everywhere including the west..... There are even departments in West which provide social services to these girls ... As for the age of 12 (the age of consent) ... It is just a number and it varies from country to country... I have a feeling it is about to be lowered.

The Prophet PBUH was a man just like you and me but the perfect example of mankind.

The life of the Prophet is for all humanity to emulate till the end of time... That is my belief as a Muslim

And Yes Islam means complete obedience to the will of God....

People worship/ emulate all sorts of people here in the west ..... people like Bill Gates, Michale Jackson... Are these your role models ?

 

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But he can have 50 GF's so then why would he want another wife?

That is what I told him

 

[VCheng]

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Should we not take greater care to filter out the cultural context of 7th century Arabian society, to arrive at a universal Islam?

That is a great point, with one proviso that is equally important:

Islam cannot be regarded as a static religion, so in addition to filtering out the ancient cultural context, it is important to keep updating the application of its universal truths. Indeed, this built-in dynamism is what makes it stand out from all Abrahamic religions. Thus, there is no "universal" Islam that is correct for all cultures for all times.

As an example that is above the navel, there is great stress on burying the dead immediately. So what about Muslims in dying in those areas where the ground is frozen so hard in the winter that burial has to be delayed until the spring thaw? I have previously given the example of fasting times at higher latitudes too, in the same vein. How about namaz times for an astronaut with the sun setting and rising very quickly in orbit? Zakat is regarded as a pillar, but Nisaab has so many news ways to be interpreted in addition to gold and silver equivalents.

My point is that on one hand, one cannot claim Islam as the total code of life for everyone, for all times, unless the mechanisms to ensure its dynamism are given their due importance.

Please note that I am not challenging any dogmatic beliefs, but stressing the need to ensure that the application and implementation of those beliefs remains updated.

I believe that is exactly why both Allah and his Rasul PBUH laid so much stress on understanding and Ijtehaad.

 

[Elmo]

Hot foreplay session, 50 girlfriends, needs - guess the liquor got to you all.

For those advocating peadophilia and polygamy, why not have women emulating the life of the Prophet as well and having more than one husband?

The thought disgusts you?

Just because a man has needs does not mean that a woman doesn't or that her needs are any less than his.

If most Muslim women suffer their mundane, sparkless marriages day in and day out when Islam clearly gives them an option of walking out of it (but then society bars them from doing so), a man should also keep his needs in check and may be control and curb? But wait - to you men who have the 'option' that doesn't sound right or fair?

As for the liquor, yup not haraam. Everyone knows abt the legislation and the punishment after Prophet's death, so FSC's so-called "verdict" should not be surprising.

 

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That is a great point, with one proviso that is equally important:

Islam cannot be regarded as a static religion, so in addition to filtering out the ancient cultural context, it is important to keep updating the application of its universal truths.

As an example that is above the navel, there is great stress on burying the dead immediately. So what about Muslims in dying in those areas where the ground is frozen so hard in the winter that burial has to be delayed until the spring thaw? I have previously given the example of fasting times at higher latitudes too, in the same vein. How about namaz times for an astronaut with the sun setting and rising very quickly in orbit? Zakat is regarded as a pillar, but Nisaab has so many news ways to be interpreted in addition to gold and silver equivalents.


I believe that is exactly why both Allah and his Rasul PBUH laid so much stress on understanding and Ijtehaad.

How does Islam fail you as a code of life ?

As for praying in Artic/Antartica or Space .... Do Astronauts eat only 3 times in six months? Do they perform their other bodily functions once or twice in in the peroid of daylights or space.... They follow their normal schudule as if they were on earth.... As prayer is spirtual food... it should too be done accordingly

 

[VCheng]

How does Islam fail you as a code of life ?

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Islam does not fail me at all. My beliefs work for me very well.

 

[untitled]

Hot foreplay session, 50 girlfriends, needs - guess the liquor got to you all.

For those advocating peadophilia and polygamy, why not have women emulating the life of the Prophet as well and having more than one husband?

The thought disgusts you?

Try asking that question from a woman..... and let me know the answer.... Do they want more than one husband ?

How would a person know who is parents are ?

As for women they are taking part in Slut walks around the world for that right you mentioned..... Do you want you want that here too ?

 

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Islam does not fail me at all. My beliefs work for me very well.

And may Allah bless you and me ....

 

[Elmo]

Try asking that question from a woman..... and let me know the answer.... Do they want more than one husband ?
How would a person know who is parents are ?
As for women they are taking part in Slut walks around the world for that right you mentioned..... Do you want you want that here too ?

I am a woman. A Pakistani woman who knows many other Pakistani women.

Why don't you try asking for a change - you'll be in for a surprise. Your assumption clearly shows that you've never even bothered to consider what a woman thinks or feels. Rather you'd want her to feel and think what you think she should be feeling. Let me tell you, you will never keep your woman happy. Men like you, their wives put up a facade and hate their husbands in reality. I also have a strong feeling that your interaction with wome have been limited a handful only. Go out, talk to them, before spouting whatever you just spouted.

Sex is not a man's domain. Women also practice and I dont understand why Muslim men are so embarassed to admit and see their women as sexual beings.

So by your retarded logic, if a man practices polygamy, then the children know who his parents are and if a woman does the same, he won't know.

Slut walk - what are you on about? Are you in your senses? Who is talking about that?

Once again by your logic, men who practice polygamy should be male sluts?

 

[muse]

I dont care what the others think about me or Islam .... Like they have cared for Islam for the last 1500 years ....

What is wrong with having a a 12 year old wife ? There are plenty of cases of girls getting pregnant at the age of 12 everywhere including the west..... There are even departments in West which provide social services to these girls ... As for the age of 12 (the age of consent) ... It is just a number and it varies from country to country... I have a pretty good feeling it is about to be lowered.

The Prophet PBUH was a man just like you and me but the perfect example of mankind.

The life of the Prophet is for all humanity to emulate till the end of time... That is my belief as a Muslim

And Yes Islam means complete obedience to the will of God....

People worship/ emulate all sorts of people here in the west ..... people like Bill Gates, Michale Jackson... Are these your role models ?

Varigeo

Again, Excelent - for a while after I read your post, I was speechless -- first a "right" to polygamy, and now to underage nubiles - Who da man?? You da man - a perverted man.

Anyway, you have, without meaning to, I am certain, again, brought up the issue of historicizing Quran and the life of the beloved prophet -- Do social values change or evolve? If yes, then certainly the question of Emulation is one that we must be very very careful with - we must not be ignorant and allow Emulation to foster present day ideals, not the ideals that have not stood the test of time or are in conflict with our present day values.

Now, with regard to Historicizing - We look at the past with "lens" that are informed by the values of the present (your case is of course different and I am sure multiple 12 year olds and your goodself can be accommodated, somewhere else) -- how fair then is it to judge the past and the behaviors of the past with present day values?? Is it possible that we can deposit "positive" values in the past when the values of the past conflict with our present day values?? Of course not - and that is why Mullah Hazrat promote tribal values, to alter the values of the present day to what they were in the past - and therefore, to see polygamy and 12 yr old nubiles as acceptable marriage material and even to impregnate - Astagfurallah!

 

[VCheng]

I will openly reaffirm what Elmo is saying, and thank her for stating it so clearly. Bravo, my dear lady, bravo!

 

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I am a woman. A Pakistani woman who knows many other Pakistani women.

I did not know that ... my apologies madam.

Do you want me to reply ? Or should I come back when you are in a better mood ?