DRDO Multical Rifle Unveiled- the next generation rifle for the IA

[Lipizzaner_Stallion]

Thats a sick looking gun and looks pretty light weight too.

@Abingdonboy

As said in the video ... its just 3kg.

 

[Abingdonboy]

just a fanboy fantassy

new standard indian assult rifle (7.62 mm)

1. bullpup with interchangable barrel mchenism like the AUG

2. multiple acessiories rails at 12, 3 ,.6 & 9 O' clock postions

3. polymer body with G3c like butt stalk with damper

4. gas action rotating bolt design

5. changable ejection port & front charging handle like Tevor

What is your obsession with bull-pups? This design was tired out and FAILED as compared to the traditional design that performed very well. It seems your measure is so subjective and based on your personal preference. Over the INSAS, this MCIWS is a great step in the right direction it really is.

Thats a sick looking gun and looks pretty light weight too.

@Abingdonboy

It is a very good looking weapon- hard to believe DRDO came out with it, their small arms products have always been lacking when compared to their foreign competitors. Having said that the latest variants of the INSAS are very nice and incorporate many contemporary features. It seems DRDO/ARDE did their homework and came up with a great product for the IA.

I'm just wondering if the MCIWS can take AK mags, this would obviously be very useful for a number of reasons 1) the IA has a LOT of such mags and secondly considering who the CI forces of the IA fight, being able to use the mags of your enemy is useful in itself.

 

[GURU DUTT]

What is your obsession with bull-pups? This design was tired out and FAILED as compared to the traditional design that performed very well. It seems your measure is so subjective and based on your personal preference. Over the INSAS, this MCIWS is a great step in the right direction it really is.

well bull pups are the future why ?

1. they are lighter and compact @ easy in battelfield

2. they can fire much farther yet are very managebale and have rilativelly lower recoil

3. more optics and acessories can easily be added withowt much wieght

4. very good for close quwater combat missions while can easily be used for sniper roles as they are less bulky even with 24" barrel

5. are easy to maintain/clean while dont need much care

6. easy to mass produce (good use of polymer) & ship like para operations

i dont see any one good thing of regular rifels that bullpups are missing its more like carbeurated system (conevtional guns) Vs feul ingected system (bullpup)... tell me which one is better ... sir

as for Insas and DODO well they onli produce cheap copies of centurri old designs and that too at thrice the rate and very very poor quality that is high on maintaioinence same is the issue with Insas (thats why its replacemnts were saught after use of just 1.5 decades while AK series is still going great even after more than 70 years)

 

[Abingdonboy]

well bull pups are the future why ?

1. they are lighter and compact @ easy in battelfield

2. they can fire much farther yet are very managebale and have rilativelly lower recoil

3. more optics and acessories can easily be added withowt much wieght

4. very good for close quwater combat missions while can easily be used for sniper roles as they are less bulky even with 24" barrel

5. are easy to maintain/clean while dont need much care

6. easy to mass produce (good use of polymer) & ship like para operations

i dont see any one good thing of regular rifels that bullpups are missing its more like carbeurated system Vs feul engected system ... tell me which one is better ... sir

Then why have most militaries not transitioned to the bull-pup? Of the 10 biggest defence spenders in the world only 3 use the bull-pup as their standard issue rifle.

The bull-pup is not the do all, fix all solution you'd like to make out. Even AFTER the TAR-21 was adopted as the standard AR of the IA SF they STILL placed large orders for the M4 as this rifle has utility in certain mission profiles. Similarly the SFs of the UK and France don't use the the bull-pups in service with their respective infantries (SA-80 and FAMAS respectively) but instead opt for the traditional design of rifles- M4, SCAR, G-36C etc. And the biggest defence spender on the planet hasn't gone for the bull-pup either and if the bull-pup design really was all you claimed it to be then they would have gone for it wouldn't they?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Then why have most militaries not transitioned to the bull-pup? Of the 10 biggest defence spenders in the world only 3 use the bull-pup as their standard issue rifle.

The bull-pup is not the do all, fix all solution you'd like to make out. Even AFTER the TAR-21 was adopted as the standard AR of the IA SF they STILL placed large orders for the M4 as this rifle has utility in certain mission profiles. Similarly the SFs of the UK and France don't use the the bull-pups in service with their respective infantries (SA-80 and FAMAS respectively) but instead opt for the traditional design of rifles- M4, SCAR, G-36C etc. And the biggest defence spender on the planet hasn't gone for the bull-pup either and if the bull-pup design really was all you claimed it to be then they would have gone for it wouldn't they?

well if us hasnt gone for bullpup that is becuse they like there M16s and its clones just like russians love there AK 47 and its clones while germans , british , french , israelies also make the best guns in the world and they have gone for bullpup while chinese are masters of mass production still gone for bull pups even though they have to fight in almost identical situations as indians (higher altitudes)

 

[bloo]

Back after a long time. Speaking of sneak peeks, the mciws wasnt really up for touchy-feely action... other than pics of the display... it took a mix of stealth and cunning

I had read somewhere that you also need to change the breech block, alongside the barrel and magazine to fire different rounds, though I doubt that's true.
DId you hear anything about a breech block?

 

[Chola warrior]

Weight : 3 kg
Less than most of avalible multi caliber AR..Job well done DRDO and ARDE

This was one of factor worrying me. Now lets wait for range and length.

Back after a long time. Speaking of sneak peeks, the mciws wasnt really up for touchy-feely action... other than pics of the display... it took a mix of stealth and cunning

Any idea about range and length?
What's your personal view? will IA accept this? how potentially good is this one comparing to ARX, CZ, AK12 and other modern rifles?

also any idea about bullpup design since most of fanboys are crying about that

well bull pups are the future why ?

1. they are lighter and compact @ easy in battelfield

You mean battllefield video game?

 

[Tangent]

Bull pup versions is under development

just for u @GURU DUTT

....akhiyo se Goli mare...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Any idea about range and length?
What's your personal view? will IA accept this?

Of course they will! It's part of the F-INSAS project, the MCIWS has only ONE purpose- to be the IA's next generation standard issue assault rifle. The IA has already formed a trail team and tested this rifle in snow/high altitude and deserts.

also any idea about bullpup design since most of fanboys are crying about that

A parallel design that was found to be inferior to this traditional design so they need to quieten down.

how potentially good is this one comparing to ARX, CZ, AK12 and other modern rifles?

A tricky one, although the MCIWS is a HUGE step up over the INSAS and definitely is more comparable to its contemporaries from the West. I'd still say from a purely superficial perspective that the Western products are more refined:

Just look at the ARX-160 for example, it is such a beautifully designed product- just look at all the design aspects incorporated into it. Everything is so easy (removing/changing barrel, changing ejection direction, stripping etc) this is not by accident- this is the result of decades of refining and expertise. I'd say DRDO/ARDE are still lacking in this arena but have caught up pretty fast.

Until the true specs are known it is hard to give a more detailed comparison but the IA accepting it is a pretty big stamp considering they have very high standards and the weapon would've been tested to extremes in all climates.

From a cursory glance you can see that whilst the MCIWS has P-rails in the 12,3,6 and 9 o'clock positions, they are not as long as found on other rifles, additionally the ejection port cannot be changed from the right-hand side and it would have been ideal if there wad a bolt-release catch towards the front of the rifle- near the safety/mag relase switch so that the rifle can pick up a round on being reloaded without having to be re-cocked from near the butt.


I'm wondering what the rifles that get delivered to the general grunts will look like i.e. will the fore/pistol grip be built into the rifle (as it appears to be) so be standard on every rifle and will the rifle be delivered with this Raptor RDS on EVERY rifle? The fact it is present on this model is encouraging but we'll have to wait and see. If this is the case then this will be a HUGE step up in itself.

Getting very excited for F-INSAS now! It's going to be game-changing for the IA...

 

[Water Car Engineer]

@Abingdonboy

This thing doesnt have ejection ports on both sides.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy

This thing doesnt have ejection ports of both sides.

Yes, as I mentioned above ^^^^ bro.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Yes, as I mentioned above ^^^^ bro.

Oh, didnt read.

 

[Dillinger]

@Abingdonboy A rather fine looking article, a feature or two missing there but nothing that cannot be added to it once the army gives its verdict. Fingers crossed on what the OFB might do to it once it goes in for mass production.

@All the bullpup enthusiasts-

General infantry has no real use for a bullpup rifle, a standardized and reasonably capable assault rifle is all that they need and this article seems to be shaping up as being able to provide just that.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy A rather fine looking article, a feature or two missing there but nothing that cannot be added to it once the army gives its verdict. Fingers crossed on what the OFB might do to it once it goes in for mass production.

@All the bullpup enthusiasts-

General infantry has no real use for a bullpup rifle, a standardized and reasonably capable assault rifle is all that they need and this article seems to be shaping up as being able to provide just that.

Indeed, it covers 8/10 of the bases and is pretty much exactly what the IA needs as part of its F-INSAS project- an affordable, capable and modern assault rifle for the grunts.

 

[Skull and Bones]

well bull pups are the future why ?

1. they are lighter and compact @ easy in battelfield

2. they can fire much farther yet are very managebale and have rilativelly lower recoil

3. more optics and acessories can easily be added withowt much wieght

4. very good for close quwater combat missions while can easily be used for sniper roles as they are less bulky even with 24" barrel

5. are easy to maintain/clean while dont need much care

6. easy to mass produce (good use of polymer) & ship like para operations

i dont see any one good thing of regular rifels that bullpups are missing its more like carbeurated system (conevtional guns) Vs feul ingected system (bullpup)... tell me which one is better ... sir

as for Insas and DODO well they onli produce cheap copies of centurri old designs and that too at thrice the rate and very very poor quality that is high on maintaioinence same is the issue with Insas (thats why its replacemnts were saught after use of just 1.5 decades while AK series is still going great even after more than 70 years)

Poppycock statement, bullpup is only preferred in short range engagements because of shorter barrel, and low recoil because of multiple contact with body. Apart from that, all the features can be retained in conventional rifles too.