Downgraded Version for Turkey? Israel and U.S. Hold Talks on Withholding Vital F-35 Software From An

[Saif al-Arab]

Moderation of Turkish section is not about your concern so don’t put your nose into the subject you don’t have any idea. Just concantrate more to type long bombastic statements like useless jobless trolls to defend your puppets and search anything to type on net. Counter-argument is given to debunk a clever mentality. You are a racist deaperate troll who deserves to be made fun of you. I said Many times I don’t give a penny about you and your arguments but this time You insulted me with a bad mouth and You will receive what you deserve with penalty.



Negative rating is mostly given to idiotic responses which includes open insults, personal attacks and It seems you feel yourself something important to hurt me with your arguments? You are a paranoid indeed. Who asked you whether you care negative rating or not? You have just received one and That’s it. Stop crying.



Don’t worry, what I typed about yourself is the lowest of lowest. Don’t make me talk about How Turkish language describe Idiots and Morons with clever words in same sentences.





Who care Arabs? You are busy with killing eachother thanks to weapons purchased from same adresses. When you stop killing eachother, US joins the dance to kill more. What I care is about my country, my advancement and my developments so I want my government to stay away from thousands of different Arabian gargage militant groups controling different square of your lands. About comparison, It is true that Collecting 6-7 oil rich state is almost equal to one Turkey so You can’t approach to put forward the name of your country against Turkey. Desperation is visible in your words.





Dog barks and they mostly bark when they entered into other’s territory. You are inside of a Turkey related thread with false accusation about Turkey and Your barking and crying is inside of top5 in PDF history but Most interesting part of your barking is about your strength assessment about Turkish Army with putting forward latest succesfull military operations carried out in N.Iraq and N. Syria. After living hundreds of years under the rule of Turks, An idiot is coming here to underestimate the strength of Turkish Army with a criteria of the size of area controlled in last operations as If Turks are new in history and first time applied a military operation against an enemy. Our borders are not drawn on table delusional boy. Ask to your grand fathers and mothers about Turks. They will tell you from good old days. Military service is a tradition in Turkish Army. Your fancy toys don’t make you get a victory. 8-10 Arab state with “most advanced” defence toys can not control Yemen since years. Same Arab armies lost against tiny Israel but you pathetic boy coming here to compare yourself with Turkish Army while underestimating Turkish operations.

Besides, Our “indigenous results” are the one you can just see in your dreams. As I said, Money doesn’t talk when It is about deep critical technologies. You just screw the bolds in your assembly institutes and delude yourself with made in KSA words. That is what you can do when It is about deep technologies. You will learn...





That is what we call as brotherhood. That is an epic story which was eracted monuments, filmed in both Korea and Turkey. That is the reason we call eachother as blood-brothers. Those are the things that you can never get. It is the reason You lost your dignity for the shake of your seats and wealth. You don’t need to go 10000km away to save your brothers. You can not even move your arm against your brothers staying hundreds of km away who were butchered by Israel, instead you are trying to butcher your own brothers in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and Qatar thanks to weapons supplied by US. That is what we call as dishonour. In Afghanistan, Turkey as a part of NaTO stay in there for peace forces. We didn’t fire a single bullet in there. In Iraq operations of US, Turkey was the one who rejected US troops to be deployed in Turkey. In Bosnia, Turkey actively participated in operations to protect Muslim Bosnian brothers against Serbians. If you want to find the actual meaning of being puppet, you should take a look of actvties of your honourless puppets who is dancing with Trump.




What goods you or other Arab countries can export to US out of petrol and a few agricultural things that you are talking about import/export rates between US to make a self justification? How type a disappointment you are... What you share is actually a self humiliation without any doubt. you suppose playing around the words will make you gain some credit but you are a failed troll.




Think the differences. If It was Saudi Arabia which was threatened by your masters, You would have sh@ted in your pants; arrange a big scale meeting to dance with Trump to give another hundreds of billion $ deal as bribe to save your back. That is the differences betwen honouslesses and big states ruled with public wishes that we call as democracy.




and this make Turkey a puppet? Turkish Army eatablished a base in Qatar while you were threatening of Qatar with war. Same days, your master US is also supporting puppets against Qatar but What can you do against Qatar? That makes you a puppet of Turkey? Such arguments are what we call as being a clown!

Did it take you 2 hours to write this nonsense post that hurts my eyes just reading it due to the nonsense that you have written in your incoherent English (as usual) and big empty bravado?

I just described the ground realities for you and where you stand in comparison with the Arab world. Nowhere to be seen on almost every front.

Just wait a few years (decades at most) and until Arabs will freely elect their people. Don't get a heart attack in the meantime.

Also don't talk about military to me when Arabs created the by far largest empires in the region and ruled the region the longest aside from funding the oldest civilizations in the world.

As for your Arabized Ottomans, 2/3 of all Ottomans were Arabs. There were no ethnic Turks in the Arab world other than fellow Arab officials aligned to a dynasty in a time where region was above anything else. Those same Ottomans were non-existent in most Arab countries. Ruling a Caliphate (Arab invention), using Arabic titles (Sultan), speaking Ottoman Turkish (Arabic more than Turkish), using Arabic script (there was no Turkish script in use), following an Arab religion (Islam), being present in Arab lands, most people (2/3) being Arab etc. Local Arab dynasties ruling (Sharif of Makkah) etc. After 1000 years of Arab rule of the Caliphate and most of the Muslim world and after 95% of ALL Islamic conquests, a nomadic Turkmen tribe (Ottomans), firstly Persianized later Arabized, started ruling indigenous people in Anatolia (your people) and made you Turk while mostly being surrounded by Arab and to a smaller degree Persian culture.

That is called failure my friend if you are trying to impress me with this.

Since WW1, you have invaded tiny Northern Cyprus against tiny and bankrupt Greece (40 years ago) and today tiny Al-Bab and Afrin (Syrians doing almost all the fighting) and here you are trying to act tough? Is this a joke?

Read about the 1973 war and fighting against Israel is like fighting against the US and West combined. You have still not learned this simple fact.

@OutOfAmmo @SALMAN F @Gomig-21 @The SC @MICA @Hell NO @Nile-Tiger

 

[cabatli_53]

They invaded tiny Northern Cyprus (LOL) and supposedly "won a war" against tiny 10 million big and bankrupt Greece (even much less people 40+ years ago) that was and is located much farther away from Cyprus than Turkey and that's about it. Compare this with the 3.5 year long ongoing war in Yemen for instance or what just 1 Arab country, Iraq, has faced in those 40 years alone (2 wars against the world's superpower and a war against Iran). It's a joke.

Here on PDF those clowns are threatening 100 million big Egypt with an invasion. The same clowns are talking about invading Northern Iraq and Eastern Syria. They are living in La La Land I believe. I even saw a turd threatening KSA and arming the Houthi terrorist cult. It seems that living in Erdogan land has polluted their brains.

If military success is solely about the population, Arab armies were not defeated against tiny Israel within days.

If military success is solely about the fancy toys, 8-10 Arab army with “most advanced” assets should have been controlled the Yemen but You are struggling to do something since years.

Your history is full of desperation and defeats but making fun with Turkish military history which includes lots of succeafull operations. Turkey is out of your league so put Turkey out of your pissing contests.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

f military success is solely about the population, Arab armies were not defeated against tiny Israel within days.

Israel did a surprise attack. Or else Arabs would have won. In 1973 Arabs won and Egypt got Sinai back.

 

[cabatli_53]

Did it take you 2 hours to write this nonsense post that hurts my eyes just reading it due to the nonsense that you have written in your incoherent English (as usual) and big empty bravado?

I just described the ground realities for you and where you stand in comparison with the Arab world. Nowhere to be seen on almost every front.

Just wait a few years (decades at most) and until Arabs will freely elect their people. Don't get a heart attack in the meantime.

Also don't talk about military to me when Arabs created the by far largest empires in the region and ruled the region the longest aside from funding the oldest civilizations in the world.

As for your Arabized Ottomans, 2/3 of all Ottomans were Arabs. There were no ethnic Turks in the Arab world other than fellow Arab officials aligned to a dynasty in a time where region was above anything else. Those same Ottomans were non-existent in most Arab countries. Ruling a Caliphate (Arab invention), using Arabic titles (Sultan), speaking Ottoman Turkish (Arabic more than Turkish), using Arabic script (there was no Turkish script in use), following an Arab religion (Islam), being present in Arab lands, most people (2/3) being Arab etc. Local Arab dynasties ruling (Sharif of Makkah) etc. After 1000 years of Arab rule of the Caliphate and most of the Muslim world and after 95% of ALL Islamic conquests, a nomadic Turkmen tribe (Ottomans), firstly Persianized later Arabized, started ruling indigenous people in Anatolia (your people) and made you Turk while mostly being surrounded by Arab and to a smaller degree Persian culture.

That is called failure my friend if you are trying to impress me with this.

Since WW1, you have invaded tiny Northern Cyprus against tiny and bankrupt Greece (40 years ago) and today tiny Al-Bab and Afrin (Syrians doing almost all the fighting) and here you are trying to act tough? Is this a joke?

Read about the 1973 war and fighting against Israel is like fighting against the US and West combined. You have still not learned this simple fact.

@OutOfAmmo @SALMAN F @Gomig-21 @The SC @MICA @Hell NO @Nile-Tiger

Yes It takes two hours to put a clown to place where He belongs. It is quite difficult to type in phone really.

I will slap your face about other subjects that you unconciously mentioned about Turks and Turkish army but I am not that time now. Until that time, read about your past which is fulled with defeat stories, later come here to make fun of some military success of Turkish Army. What you are doing is to generate many excuses but In fact you are nothing but a troll who deserve nothing as a response.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

If military success is solely about the population, Arab armies were not defeated against tiny Israel within days.

If military success is solely about the fancy toys, 8-10 Arab army with “most advanced” assets should have been controlled the Yemen but You are struggling to do something since years with lots of hardware and personel lost.

Your history is full of desperation and defeats but making fun with Turkish military history which includes lots of succeafull operations. Turkey is out of your league so put Turkey out of your pissing contests.

Tiny Israel is not weak and you're talking about a war that is over 50 years ago, no longer relevant and not a reflection of today's Arab armies.

Yemen is a very large country with tough terrain and a large population as well.

Turkish military history does NOT include 'lots of succeafull operations', if we look at modern day Turkish military history it did not face a large conventional foe for you to make such a statement. Cyprus was the only 'country' which Turkey fought alone which infact is a tiny island, close to Turkey geographically and far away from Greece (which is another tiny country). It's like me parading around here how Iraq captured Kuwait in 24 hours, do you think there's anything great about that? Then once TAF faced a small ISIS canton in northern Syria we saw large losses and tanks being taken by ISIS which pointed out the weakness in strategy, planning and the lack of experience.

You and your fellow friends are banking on nationalism and feeding that with anti-Arabism to state your military superiority, anyone with half a brain knows that is not how it works.

 

[cabatli_53]

Tiny Israel is not weak and you're talking about a war that is over 50 years ago, no longer relevant and not a reflection of today's Arab armies.

Yemen is a very large country with tough terrain and a large population as well.

Turkish military history does NOT include 'lots of succeafull operations', if we look at modern day Turkish military history it did not face a large conventional foe for you to make such a statement. Cyprus was the only 'country' which Turkey fought alone which infact is a tiny island, close to Turkey geographically and far away from Greece (which is another tiny country). It's like me parading around here how Iraq captured Kuwait in 24 hours, do you think there's anything great about that? Then once TAF faced a small ISIS canton in northern Syria we saw large losses and tanks being taken by ISIS which pointed out the weakness in strategy, planning and the lack of experience.

You and your fellow friends are banking on nationalism and feeding that with anti-Arabism to state your military superiority, anyone with half a brain knows that is not how it works.

I don’t advice you to join into that discussion because the problem erupted by related clown and He receives the response how he deserves with using some counter arguments with similar level insulting. Otherwise, Noone wants to talk about Arab armies or dedeat/success stories. We are talking about wars and It is not a game to solce the problems in forum pages but this clown and his arrogant language and racist attitudes deserve same level responses. I called MOD’s to prevent the insults of this troll. That is not constructive discussion indeed but feeding a troll with counter arguments. Something like playing a game with a troll. That is what he understands unfortunately.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

I don’t advice you to join into that discussion because the problem erupted by related clown and He receives the response how he deserves with using some counter arguments with similar level insulting. Otherwise, Noone wants to talk about Arab armies or dedeat/success stories. We are talking about wars and It is not a game to solce the problems in forum pages but this clown and his arrogant language and racist attitudes deserve same level responses. I called MOD’s to prevent the insults of this troll so He receives similar level arguments as a response. That is not constructive discussion indeed but feeding a troll with counter arguments.

I'm not insulting any force, solely describing what I am seeing without an taking sides even as i'm not offended or ashamed to admit when my country is failing in a certain field. I dislike Turkish gov policies but my views and description of TAF are not due to that. It is what has been observed, no more or less.

Also let us not forget that the competence of a force doesn't lie in its ethnicity or nationality, but I doubt the forum will understand it. Everyone is wielding his flag next to his username and acting like some general with his ego pride, but that's PDF.

 

[xenon54 out]

Its not about ethnicity but traditions, korruption, mistrust, mismanagement.

 

[hoangsa74]

I'm surprised that turkey (and Singapore) is still getting the f35. is there a kill switch that would disable and crash the plane out of the sky ? @gambit

 

[gambit]

I'm surprised that turkey (and Singapore) is still getting the f35. is there a kill switch that would disable and crash the plane out of the sky ? @gambit

No such thing. There are many wrong things with that argument. For starter, if it is true, no one would trust US or any Western country for their defense. They would go to the Russians. But then it would be argued that the Russians do the same thing -- install a 'kill switch'. In the end, no one benefits.

 

[hoangsa74]

No such thing. There are many wrong things with that argument. For starter, if it is true, no one would trust US or any Western country for their defense. They would go to the Russians. But then it would be argued that the Russians do the same thing -- install a 'kill switch'. In the end, no one benefits.

thanks for the reply. so there is no such technology that is capable of such a task?

 

[LeGenD]

the lesson is that the USA will never be a sincere friend to any Muslim nation. There is deep hostility to the last message and their desperate and poorly educated masses are bible thumped into hating Islam, Muslims and actually the Jews too but need them for the final solution aka the second coming.

No country is a sincere friend of the other.

Arabs already crashed the Western/US financial system in the 1970's during the oil embargo. No other Muslim country can or is able to do something similar.

They learned a lesson from it, and Shale Revolution is the outcome. FYI: https://www.strausscenter.org/energy-and-security/the-u-s-shale-revolution.html

 

[That Guy]

better turkey buy .j20

Don't be ridiculous.

The Turks will get the F-35 they paid for, simple as that. These talks, if they're actually happening, considering the questionable source, will be fruitless.

Despite his rhetoric, there isn't much Trump can actually do. There is talk that Trump is deliberately trying to sabotage NATO, but even if that is true, there is little to no reason to believe that he'll succeed in breaking the alliance, or sanctioning Turkey so severely.

 

[gambit]

thanks for the reply. so there is no such technology that is capable of such a task?

You are asking a loaded question. Technically speaking, it is 'doable', but not wise to implement. There lies the problem. For the conspiracy theorist, if it is technically possible, then it must have been done. After all, the US is 'evil' and want to screw everybody.

This argument have been around for decades started with the F-16 since it was the first international jet fighter designed for countries that cannot afford the scale of an air force like the US has. When I was active duty and on the F-16 at MacDill AFB, we heard all versions of the theory. Everything from foreign F-16s being shut off via satellites to secret agents sneaking into hangars and reprogram the jet's avionics to allow US to take remote control. Nonsense straight out of Mission: Impossible.

Politically, it would be a bomb, no pun intended. No one would trust US, or the Russians or the Chinese for that matter. No allies. Only potential adversaries. With no foreign sales, per aircraft cost for domestic defense would skyrocket. Just because they need you does not mean you take their defense any less serious than your own.

 

[Timur]

You are asking a loaded question. Technically speaking, it is 'doable', but not wise to implement. There lies the problem. For the conspiracy theorist, if it is technically possible, then it must have been done. After all, the US is 'evil' and want to screw everybody.

This argument have been around for decades started with the F-16 since it was the first international jet fighter designed for countries that cannot afford the scale of an air force like the US has. When I was active duty and on the F-16 at MacDill AFB, we heard all versions of the theory. Everything from foreign F-16s being shut off via satellites to secret agents sneaking into hangars and reprogram the jet's avionics to allow US to take remote control. Nonsense straight out of Mission: Impossible.

Politically, it would be a bomb, no pun intended. No one would trust US, or the Russians or the Chinese for that matter. No allies. Only potential adversaries. With no foreign sales, per aircraft cost for domestic defense would skyrocket. Just because they need you does not mean you take their defense any less serious than your own.

as if you do not have a loophole for every software that is made in US.. its goverment enforced law.. and than you think on military equipment there should not be one? if the civilian marked is open for spies than you can be shure there are loopholes in military software and equipment.. how and if let the conspiracy theorists decide..