Dont Worry Democracy is Here!

[Kinetic]

Democracy is the best and only way of govt by the people. All the rich countries and those developed only by democracy.

 

[desiman]

Dont blame democracy blame the people running it. Democracy is a slow and often unjust system but it is the only one that works. Rather than going for the bad examples take inspiration from the great examples of democracy such as the US, Canada, UK etc etc It is mainly because of democracy that a country like India has managed to hold together even after facing so many odds. The problem with Pakistan is the prevalence of religion over politics, Pakistan can either be an Islamic nation or a Democracy, it cannot be both as they contradict each other. That is why religion must be kept separate from the identity of a country. Dont blame democracy, its worked wonders for other people so it can work for you too, just need to put in some effort.

Nations do not succeed with a wave of a wand, I see many Pakistanis here calling for a revolution and military rule but please let me know when is the last time a military coup was successful in changing a nation for good ? Nations are made through hard work and determination of the general public. Take for example the United States, 50 odd different states, no one likes each other, a civil war on the horizon and total lack of trust. But it was the vision and determination of great leaders like Benjamin Franklin, Lincon and Washington that made the dream of United States true. It was through the hard work and pure determination of the people of those states that allowed them to achieve what they have today. Leaders like King Jr defined the culture and political stand of the nation and further solidified the term we know as the " American Dream " today. Nations are made through struggle and courage not revolutions and military coups. You can take great inspiration from India as well but im sure no Pakistani would like to do that. Democracy is the only system that works, if it is not working for you then there is something wrong with you not the system.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Democracy is the best and only way of govt by the people. All the rich countries and those developed only by democracy.

Sorry, the Western countries have a rich before becoming a democracy, in fact, democracy is a new concept, West people get many rights in recent decades. East Asian countries have a totalitarian history, but rapid economic development, and then turn into democracies. I do not say the other, just that you have a historical mistake.

 

[justanobserver]

They're no Left parties in Pakistan right? A communist party would do much good imo

edit:

Actually a Left (Marxist-Leninist) party would be perfect:

1. Decrease in role of religion
2. Land reforms
3. General anti-imperialistic attitude

However such a party may never be voted into power

 

[desiman]

They're no Left parties in Pakistan right? A communist party would do much good imo

True the mark of a strong government is the presence of a strong opposition. In Pakistan that opposition is strong but the core government is so weak itself that having a opposition becomes useless. With the military and religious fractions having such tight control over the everyday functioning of the government, democracy will never work. In India the opposition acts like a counterweight against the government and helps keep things in check, sadly that is still lacking in the current Pakistani political infrastructure.

 

[muse]

It's often, for my taste much too often, that one reads ludicrous stuff on the forum, consider:

Dont blame democracy blame the people running it.

So, it isn't communism that to blame for the man made tragedies it brought, it's communists who are to blame, as if communism and communists have no relationship? Similarly with "Democracy"?

Democracy is a slow and often unjust system but it is the only one that works

The only one that "works"? at what? being slow and often unjust?? is that what most people want? For instance, you work and sacrifice and save to purchase something that does not work, only to justify your purchase by suggesting that it's great at not working most of the time??

We don't need labels or trade marks, we seek representative governance that is about delivering responsive, effective and efficient governance - you can keep your trade marks and labels, these help no one.

 

[desiman]

It's often, for my taste much too often, that one reads ludicrous stuff on the forum, consider:



So, it isn't communism that to blame for the man made tragedies it brought, it's communists who are to blame, as if communism and communists have no relationship? Similarly with "Democracy"?




The only one that "works"? at what? being slow and often unjust?? is that what most people want? For instance, you work and sacrifice and save to purchase something that does not work, only to justify your purchase by suggesting that it's great at not working most of the time??

We don't need labels or trade marks, we seek representative governance that is about delivering responsive, effective and efficient governance - you can keep your trade marks and labels, these help no one.

I really dont understand your point to start with, whats democracy have to do with communism ? Democracy like all other systems is not meant to satisfy everyone but when done properly it satisfies that majority, can you please refine your post and tell me when your point is ?

 

[muse]

I really dont understand your point to start with, whats democracy have to do with communism ? Democracy like all other systems is not meant to satisfy everyone but when done properly it satisfies that majority, can you please refine your post and tell me when your point is ?

Both so called "Democracy" and so called "Communism" are similar in that they are forms or organizing governance - agreed? in other words they are both "systems" - following?

Now, as to your complete misunderstanding of both these "systems" - "If done right" you say, but you are mistaken, rather you misunderstand, "Majoritarianism" is not "Democracy" otherwise what would happen to minorities - and thus creation of Pakistan -- similarly with Communism, everybody held within by force of arms opted out as soon as they got the chance, hence the central Asian "Stans" and assorted east Europeans.

There is no "done right" with these -- as you can now see in the US and Europe where it is Economy, not the relationship between the individual and the state that is a cause for concern.

 

[desiman]

Both so called "Democracy" and so called "Communism" are similar in that they are forms or organizing governance - agreed? in other words they are both "systems" - following?

Now, as to your complete misunderstanding of both these "systems" - "If done right" you say, but you are mistaken, rather you misunderstand, "Majoritarianism" is not "Democracy" otherwise what would happen to minorities - and thus creation of Pakistan -- similarly with Communism, everybody held within by force of arms opted out as soon as they got the chance, hence the central Asian "Stans" and assorted east Europeans.

There is no "done right" with these -- as you can now see in the US and Europe where it is Economy, not the relationship between the individual and the state that is a cause for concern.

You are totally wrong in every aspect. Democracy is a way of governance and communism is a way assimilation of resources. They have almost nothing to do with systems.

Democracy varies heavily country to country and each has its own take towards it. There is a parliamentary democracy as the one seen in the UK and India and then there is the senatory or focused democracy as seen in the United States. The principle of democracy is as simple as allowing the people to choose to run the government, the way that happens can vary from country to country. Pakistan is unable to find such a "system" to run democracy mainly because religion and the military negate any efforts to do so.

Communism was not even a way of governance in the first place. When Karl Marx wrote the Communistic Manifesto, his main aim was to come up with an alternate way to capitalism. He saw how capitalism caused poverty and gave power to the rich, and so he wanted to offer an alternative to a private business ownership model. It was after the onset of people like Lenin and later development of socialist thinking that communism was translated into a way of the organization of resources and how it will be managed. The only real governance not economical difference between communism and democracy is that in communism one central party decides everything and only main leaders are changed over time. No where in any communistic book ever has the use of the army been mentioned. It is mainly because of the nature of power that communism brings to the ruling party that it becomes difficult for them to let go of it and therefore any revolts have to be kept in check by the military.

Out of all the democratic and communistic states there have been, the failure of anything except democracy is quite obvious. USSR is no longer there, Castro in Cuba recently commented on how communism has failed the nation, North Korea is a joke, and no other nation is left to talk about. Other models such as a monarchy are only present in a few nations notably the Middle east which has oil to back its government on. Once the oil is gone, the monarchy will be gone too. Even Pakistan for the sake of it has seen huge trouble mainly in its military coup periods. One can argue that Pakistan hasnt seen a solid period of overall societal change since its independence but maybe thats going to far. The point being is that democracy is the only thing that can save you country now. Its a flawed system for sure and I hate it as much as you do but I also know the devils of any other system. I rather be ruled by corrupt politicians than a tyrant who does not want to let go of his seat. What democracy forces the government to do is to bring change, no matter what, people have the power to change the government if they dont like it. This power has huge ramifications across the political infrastructure. As a famous Citibank research study pointed out that in the world the Rich can do everything but the only thing that can stop them is the power of a vote. Democracy and communism are not systems but a way you choose to be governed and till now only democracy seems the right way to do.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Even Cannibals can have a democracy... Let us vote who we roast and eat today...

We have had enough of Democracy/Dictatorships... We need an alternative... like it or not!!!

 

[desiman]

Even Cannibals can have a democracy... Let us vote who we roast and eat today...

We have had enough of Democracy/Dictatorships... We need an alternative... like it or not!!!

And what is the alternate ? Why dont you just change Pakistan to adopt to democracy ? Why is it that a system that works for everyone does not work for Pakistan ?

 

[ajtr]

we want a democracy for the people (health, education, welfare, justice for all), of the people (not these waderas and fuedals), by the people (just maybe the people now realise their folly, and not vote for these carpetbeggars)

like you fight for democracy or against dictatorship same way fight for land reforms.against feudals.y leave the fight in the middle and pray for different sort of governance to return again against u ve fought..its something like vicious circle.

 

[Spring Onion]

dont worry democracy is here so we have made good progress in corruption list have climbed further

 

[desiman]

dont worry democracy is here so we have made good progress in corruption list have climbed further

lol i thought journalist support free thought and the right to vote, what happened here ?

 

[Spring Onion]

lol i thought journalist support free thought and the right to vote, what happened here ?

Ting ring magarmach kia hal ha.

ehh free voting ??

Do you consider bought votes both In India and Pakistan as free voting ??

mmmmmmm i dont