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Don’t use the K word



Progressive Muslim scholars and clerics condemn the use of the word ‘kafir’ (infidel) for non-Muslim communities


Mohammed Wajihuddin | TNN




When Prem Chand, a 25-yearold Pakistani Hindu and member of the National Youth Parliament, died in the Islamabad air crash a few weeks ago, radical Islamism killed him a second time. The authorities who salvaged the bodies from the crash site painted Chand’s coffin black and wrote ‘kafir’ (infidel) on it in glaring red—an act which raised hackles among enlightened Hindus and Muslims across the subcontinent.
The debate on whether a non-Muslim should be called a kafir or not is not new. Nor is the controversy around the word itself. What has shocked some senior Islamic clerics more is the utter disregard shown by the authorities for a dead person’s dignity. It also betrayed their lack of understanding and complete distortion of a Quranic word.
The Quran uses ‘kafir’ for those who deny the Truth or the unity of God. Indeed, the holy book has a whole chapter named Al-Kafirun (Those Who Deny The Truth) on this; however, it has never asked Muslims to call non-Muslims kafirs. On the contrary, Al-Kafirun ends on a beautiful, conciliatory note often quoted by scholars: “Lakum deenakum waliyadeen (You have your religion and I have mine).’’

Maulana Burhanuddin Qasmi, who heads Markazul Maarif, a Mumbai-based Islamic Research Institute, calls this verse the very kernel of Islam’s emphasis on co-existence. “There could not have been a clearer divine commandment about choice of religion,’’ he explains. “Islam invites everyone to its fold but doesn’t humiliate those who don’t embrace it. Using the word ‘kafir’ to abuse people of other faiths is un-Islamic.’’

Scholars maintain that non-Muslims, including Hindus, should not be called kafirs for another reason. “Whether an individual or community denies the truth is a matter of his/her conscience. And since only Allah knows the conscience, nobody has the right to call a Hindu a kafir,’’ says Maulana Abdul Khaliq Madrasi, vice-rector of the seminary Darul Uloom Deoband (UP).

The obscurantists say Hindus should be called kafirs because, as they claim, Allah never sent a prophet with a divine book to them. Remarkably, the Quran calls all those communities who were sent with divine books, believers.

Scholar Asghar Ali Engineer doesn’t buy the argument that Hindus never got a Prophet or a divine book. “The list of prophets named in the Quran is illustrative, not exhaustive,’’ he says. “Muslims believe there were 1,24,000 prophets; the Quran mentions just about two dozen. It also says that Allah sent a ‘haadi’ (guide) to every nation. So, if there is no mention of a nation or the book in the Quran, it should not mean that people of that nation or community are kafirs.’’

Mazhar Jan-i-Janan, an 18th-century Sufi saint, similarly disarmed those who believed that Hindustan remained devoid of a prophet.
“How can Allah forget a great nation like Hindustan and not send His guide here?’’ he asked. “Maybe Ram and Krishna were such guides.’’ Jan-i-Janan also refused to accept Hindus as nonbelievers or those who hide the truth because “Hindus also call Ishwar ‘Satyam’ (Truth)’’.

Engineer refers to Mughal emperor Shah Jahan’s heir apparent Dara Shikoh’s scholarly work Majma-al-Bahrayn (comingling of two oceans), which draws parallels between Islam and Hinduism. “Hindus call Ishwar ‘Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram’ (Truth, Almighty and Beautiful) , and all these are equivalent attributes of Allah—Haq, Jabbar and Jamil,’’ wrote Shikoh.

And finally, the disrespect shown to a dead person by calling him ‘kafir’ is also against the Prophet’s own beliefs. Once he saw the cortege of a Jew pass by. Immediately, he stood in honour of the dead person. When a companion reminded him that it was a Jew’s cortege, the Prophet shot back: “Was he not a human being?’’



BAD NAME: The body of Pakistani Hindu Prem Chand (right), who died in a plane crash, was put into a coffin and labelled ‘kafir’ by Pakistani authorities


ToI dated 20th Sep 2010 feed.
 
I know it may be wrong but sometimes as a joke I call my Muslim and non-Muslim friends "infidel!"

We should be more tolerant of other religions, I'll try not to use the "k" or "I" word(s) :angel:
 
Simple,call muslim as muslim and non-muslim as non- or by their religious names..
 
Its good to hear such sentiments expressed by senior clerics......indeed its a question of humanity .....muslim or non muslim both are human beings....and both deserve to be treated as such.....
 
The word kafir is used for those who are not among the followers of the 4 Holy Books. All other religions like hinduism, budhism etc didn't believe in the unity of Al mighty Allah so they are called kafir's.

Sorry mate but i'm just an average Muslim not a scholar so as to me your post isn't clear. If you can't call those who didn't believe in One and All Mighty Allah and didn't beleive in his Prophets and the 4 Holy Books Kafir's then who are the kafir's?

On the other side the word Kafir cannot be used to descriminate any person, as per Islam all persons have equal rights. Islam preech to respect other religions and faiths. Even if your neighbour is a kafir you must take care of him and help in time of need otherwise you will be punished.

I think people miss use this word in a form of hatered towards non-muslims and this is very wrong. I heard one time from my grandfather (he was very religious person) that you must not call a non Muslim kafir with hatered intent bcz Allah says maybe one day he change his faith and accept Islam.

The plane crash episode was very sad. As all those were, first of all pakistani and secondly they all deserve equal respect as humans and this is what Islam preech to us. Doing all this is very wrong and un-islamic. I really condemn this act.
 
Its good to hear such sentiments expressed by senior clerics......indeed its a question of humanity .....muslim or non muslim both are human beings....and both deserve to be treated as such.....

Kafir is an Arabic word meaning NON MUSLIM.

Therefore there is no problem in using this word its an Arabic word simply.
Tomorrow you people would be calling to ban Arabic language.

PS: using the word Kafir is not treating someone bad. So move on...
 
the word Kafir is a Urdu word derived from arabic, which means non-muslims, what the problem in using it?
If they really want to ban some words ban the F words.

I dont get it why people are so much offended by it, it doesnt means that kafirs are non humans, animals or w/e, it is used to just describe a non muslim.

Move on plz
 
Its good to hear such sentiments expressed by senior clerics......indeed its a question of humanity .....muslim or non muslim both are human beings....and both deserve to be treated as such.....

Kafir is an Arabic word meaning NON MUSLIM.

Therefore there is no problem in using this word its an Arabic word simply.
Tomorrow you people would be calling to ban Arabic language.

PS: using the word Kafir is not treating someone bad. So move on...

Sure and compared to the total muslim population with 300+ million in India , likewise in Pakistan, comparable in BD and much greater in Indonesia .....what is the population percentage of arabs ? or indeed speakers of arabic among the muslim populace ?

It is been shown a considerable number of times that the K word is derogatorily used in most parts of the world.....it is the intent which really matters not the word .......regards.....
 
Sure and compared to the total muslim population with 300+ million in India , likewise in Pakistan, comparable in BD and much greater in Indonesia .....what is the population percentage of arabs ? or indeed speakers of arabic among the muslim populace ?

It is been shown a considerable number of times that the K word is derogatorily used in most parts of the world.....it is the intent which really matters not the word .......regards.....

You have a problem with a word, you dont say it, or dont speak that language, you just cannot force other people not to say the word.
 
I know it may be wrong but sometimes as a joke I call my Muslim and non-Muslim friends "infidel!"

We should be more tolerant of other religions, I'll try not to use the "k" or "I" word(s) :angel:

What will you call a non-muslim in urdu, plz tell me.
How come calling some one kafir in urdu shows religious intolerance, while the english word for it non-muslim is ok?

"Non-Muslim" is in english which means "Kafir" in urdu

plz help me understand how can some one have a problem with the urdu word and is ok if its translated into english, french, german or w/e.

Why the urdu word "Kafir" is not acceptable.
 
You have a problem with a word, you dont say it, or dont speak that language, you just cannot force other people not to say the word.

well you can certainly refer to any one any way you see fit .....freedom of expression guarantees that .....however common norms of civility and politeness would dictate a person to stop using an expression if the person being " openly" referred to ....finds it offensive....

besides its not all about words....any self respecting individual would initiate a fistfight to protect his honour if you insulted him over his religious background( as he perceives it)......
 
well you can certainly refer to any one any way you see fit .....freedom of expression guarantees that .....however common norms of civility and politeness would dictate a person to stop using an expression if the person being " openly" referred to ....finds it offensive....

besides its not all about words....any self respecting individual would initiate a fistfight to protect his honour if you insulted him over his religious background( as he perceives it)......

so you are ok if i call you a non-muslim in english, and you'll start a fist fight if i call you non-muslim in urdu?

Kafir is not an insult, its an urdu translation of a english word Non-muslim i.e not a muslim.
 
although kafir means non-muslim but over the years it has developed into swear word in Pakistan its impolite infact can piss oponents off if we call any any one kafir , therefore its rather stupid of those tunnel visioned idiots to mark a pakistanis coffin as kafir.
 
so you are ok if i call you a non-muslim in english, and you'll start a fist fight if i call you non-muslim in urdu?

Kafir is not an insult, its an urdu translation of a english word Non-muslim i.e not a muslim.
ghair islami or ghair musalman would serve fine i suppose...

Kaffir is used as a racial slur for Africans... Kafir has also attained a negative opinion. If we can do away with something which others feel negatively about .... then why not.
 
On the other side the word Kafir cannot be used to descriminate any person, as per Islam all persons have equal rights. Islam preech to respect other religions and faiths. Even if your neighbour is a kafir you must take care of him and help in time of need otherwise you will be punished.

I think people miss use this word in a form of hatered towards non-muslims and this is very wrong. I heard one time from my grandfather (he was very religious person) that you must not call a non Muslim kafir with hatered intent bcz Allah says maybe one day he change his faith and accept Islam.

The plane crash episode was very sad. As all those were, first of all pakistani and secondly they all deserve equal respect as humans and this is what Islam preech to us. Doing all this is very wrong and un-islamic. I really condemn this act.

It is not just the incident of the Plane crash and the Coffin issue that you should be ashamed of ; You can start off from the tombstone of Abdus Salam where the word Muslim was etched off from the marker ; Then you can apologize to A.Q. Khan who has been called a Mohajir time and again ; And then you can apologize to Dorab Patel and Rana Bhagwandas for being labeled as Kafirs.
 
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