Does Turkey Benefit From Cold War With Israel?

[TuranKhan]

These mods still haven't banned this inferior crap unbelievable. He got bullied like a girl and he's taking he's anger here. We know your a short skinny little Penis eater but get back to your senses.

 

[Surenas]

Herodotos count 20 different tribes with at least 8 different languages in Scythia. I have seen Hungarians claiming also Scythian ancestry. source: Herodotus book IV.

Skyth is general term applied to nomadic tribes in northern steppes. Late Medieval Byzantine historians called even Cumans as Skyth, and their soldiers Skythion. Example: look for Akropolites, Bryennios.

Yes, but they were Iranians. Thats why their descendants, Ossetians, still speak an Iranian language. And besides Hungarians, Croats, Serbs, Bulgars and Jats (India) claim to be descendants of Scythians (or as we Iranians call them; Saka) too. They were not Turks, but some historians argue that the Huns were mixed Turkic, Iranic (Scythians) and Mongolic.

 

[iajj]

Chinese living a good life? You having a laugh, your actually being mocked everywhere in the world your language is being mocked at, your lifestyle is being mocked, everything, even the food you eat like dog Penis LMAO. Your being looked down on as cheap people with cheap quality you guys can't make a proper aquarium and it breaks down.

We slayed alot of you with mongols, Göktürks did part of the slaying along with other Turkish khanates.

your great skills in fighting chinese must be the reason you animals got chased all the way from the steppes to anatolia and those who left behind like mongols and uighurs are chinese subjects whom we can slaughter at the first signs of your disobedience. good going, turkics! sure cannot argue with you about the results!

 

[TuranKhan]

Now Persians claiming huns? Haha these people are jokes.

Turan. Hungarians descendants of Turks (hun).

What was that political party in Hungary again.

Turan

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Yes, but they were Iranians. Thats why their descendants, Ossetians, still speak an Iranian language. And besides Hungarians, Croats, Serbs, Bulgars and Jats (India) claim to be descendants of Scythians (or as we Iranians call them; Saka) too. They were not Turks, but some historians argue that the Huns were mixed Turkic, Iranic (Scythians) and Mongolic.

I Correct my previous statement. Herodotus say: Scythians use 7 (seven) different translator to communicate eachother.

Source: Herodotus Book IV, chapter 24.

 

[Targon]

Yes, but they were Iranians. Thats why their descendants, Ossetians, still speak an Iranian language. And besides Hungarians, Croats, Serbs, Bulgars and Jats (India) claim to be descendants of Scythians (or as we Iranians call them; Saka) too. They were not Turks, but some historians argue that the Huns were mixed Turkic, Iranic (Scythians) and Mongolic.

I never saw Croats or Serbs claimed to be descendents from Scythians, how can they anyway, they are Slavic, Bulgars and Hungarians were a mix of Turkic and Ugric elements, some remnants of Iranian elements might be preserved as well.

Alienoz is right but its more applies to Byzantine era, Byzantines were calling people with ancient names depends on regions or cultural elements, for example they used both Skyth and Persian terms for Seljuks, first one because of culture second one because of region they came to Anatolia.

 

[Surenas]

Now Persians claiming huns? Haha these people are jokes.

Turan. Hungarians descendants of Turks (hun).

What was that political party in Hungary again.

Turan

Its funny that Turks claim Turan, while Turanians were an Iranian people.

 

[TuranKhan]

your great skills in fighting chinese must be the reason you animals got chased all the way from the steppes to anatolia and those who left behind like mongols and uighurs are chinese subjects whom we can slaughter at the first signs of your disobedience. good going, turkics! sure cannot argue with you about the results!

Chased? I think from eating too much dog Penis your and from living in a cheap Chinese village you couldn't see a world map. You need to know that there is 7 Turkish states and are ready to slay any Chinese anytime.

You feared so much you made a massive wall. That's natural, Chinese are weak subjects, inferior physically. Trying to compensate this with more numbers won't work because every Turk is worth 100 Chinese. We are ready to slay any Chinese with our Japanese and Korean brothers.

Japanese and Turks both superior to cheap Chinese who got slayed by Turks and mongols, manchu and Japanese.

 

[Surenas]

I never saw Croats or Serbs claimed to be descendents from Scythians, how can they anyway, they are Slavic, Bulgars and Hungarians were a mix of Turkic and Ugric elements, some remnants of Iranian elements might be preserved as well.

What? Many Croats claim to be Iranic (Sarmatian) by heritage.

Iranian theory

The Iranian theory suggests that the (proto-)Croats were a tribe from Arachosia in present-day Southern Afghanistan. This theory is based solely on linguistic evidence, namely the spread of the Old Croatian ethnonym *xъrvatъ, almost certainly a borrowing into Slavic, probably from the Middle Persian "harw, hrw", which means "all, each, every", from the Middle Persian "xwad, hwt", which means "self", or from the Sanskrit "kratu", which means "insightful"; and the use of the Sanskrit "Bagibareja", which means "a prominent town".

It is important to note[according to whom?] that 'origin' theories are often developed amidst a wider context of ideological-political discourse. Nevertheless the Gothic and Iranian origins theories have at times been supported by scholars such as Ivan Muzic. They represent an attempt to distance Croats from other Slavs, especially Serbs, during the volatile period of late 1970s until recently.[5] The Croatian language was spread over great parts of Europe as the mother tongue of Old Church Slavonic, because of Saint Jerome and Saints Cyril and Methodius. Church Slavonic was a divine order and a pastor has must know the Croatian grammar.[6][7][8] The scholar Osman Karatat also writes about the possible Iranian origin.[9] For all the theories, the documentary and archaeological evidence is quite clear that the Croats emerged within 9th-century northern Dalmatia. At this time, there was no migration to account for, rather, political circumstances created a climate conducive to the emergence of a new polity in the northern Adriatic, between the Carolingian and Byzantine Empire. Ruled by local notables - the 'Croats' - the Croat ethonym later spread (and contracted) following the political fortunes of the Croat Kingdom. The creation of a Christianized Croat kingdom, recognized by Byzantium and the Papacy, cemented its existence and membership of a 'club' of European Christian Monarchic states.[10] As Danijel Dzino summarizes, "the question whether the Croats were migrants to Dalmatia or the indigenous population is not important. The earliest Croat identity we know of appeared with the disappearance of a structural Avar continuum and the establishment of new power structures in Dalmatia which were established on a new social and spiritual system from the West, indigenous regional polities - zupanias, and the use of the ancient past as a justification of that power". The Croats, based in the Nin-Knin-Skradin triangle, might have taken over local rule from an earlier socio-political collective- the Guduscani of Lika.

Tanais stone with the Greek inscription ΧΟΡΟΑΘΟΣ "Khoroathos" highlighted

Some researchers claim that the Croatian people are of Iranian origins.

Greek and Roman writers and especially the two stone inscriptions from Tanais tell us that the Croats from the middle of the first up to the 3rd century AD lived in the region of the lower Don and were one of the Median (Sarmato-Iranian) nations in that area. During the Hunnic invasion in 375 AD one part of the Croats on the Don retreated northwest over the Carpathians where they called themselves White (Western) Croats with respect to the Red (Southern) Croats who remained on the Don. There the White Croats intermingled with the Slavs of the central Slavic regions and adopted their language. After the collapse of the Hunnic empire the Croats at the end of the 5th century formed their own national state, calling it White or Great Croatia. It lay between the Oder and the Dniester with its capital Hrvat on the site of present-day Cracow in southern Poland.[11]
Following the formation of Yugoslavia in 1918, certain Slavs known as the "wolves" suppressed original research on the Iranian theory. To date, only some part of the research work that has been quoted in a report prepared by the academy of sciences of former Yugoslavia in 1938 is available.

In the era of the Achaemenid (also known as the Persian empire), especially at the time of Cyrus II and Darius I, the name of the eastern Iranian province Harauvatya and the Croats of the ancient Iran Harauvatis and Harahvaiti have been mentioned for 12 times. In addition, two unearthed manuscripts belonging to the Croats living in the 2nd and 3rd centuries BC in ancient Iran have referred to the inhabitants of Horoouathos and Horoathoi. In the year 418, the Aryans were dubbed as Horites and Zachariasrhetor, in 559 the Aryan horse riders were referred to as Hrwts who lived in the vicinity of Krima and Azova and in the 7th century Croats were called as Slavs.
Indeed from the end of the 1st to the 3rd century AD in the city-state of Tanais, in the region of the Don, lived various Iranian tribes of Samatians as well as Croats who must have been Iranians. Furthermore the national name "Croat" is of Iranian origin. According to the Russian Vselod Miller the name "Croat" comes from the Iranian word Hor-va (t)u meaning: the sun’s bed or path. M. Vasmer derives the Croatian name from Hu-urvata meaning, "friend" And the terms used to designate the high officials among the Croats, "kralj, ban, župan", are of Iranian origin. The religion of the ancient Croats also bore traces of its Iranian origin: a god of light and darkness, fire-worship, cremation of the dead, and so on.[13] Even the Croatian words used to designate religious concepts are Iranian: God, religion, sacrifice, paradise, Easter; to cry out (for), to implore, to predict, and so on. After the Iranian fashion the ancient Croats ascribed a specific colour to each of the four cardinal points of the compass in the territory which they inhabited. The colour white designated the west, red the south, green the east, and black the north. Hence White or West Croatia, Red or South Croatia and Green or East Croatia. Ancient Croatian folk art bears eastern and Iranian traces, particularly the Croatian "troplets". The Croats also brought over from Iran their national coat of arms with its 64 red and white checkers.

Identity of old-time Croat tribes Research works conducted in the past decade discuss the similarities between names and families used in the ancient-time Iran and the names and families in present Croatia. Some of these studies have pointed to the roots of alphabetic letters in the Croat language and stressed that contrary to the claims of the Slavs the roots of those letters are totally oriental and widely used at ancient times. Many manuscripts written with those letters date back to before 9th century.
Research studies on the style of dressing of the Croats show that they were dressed up as the Sassanid (also known as the second Persian Empire) and most of the local costumes of women were exactly similar to those worn by women at the time of the ancient Persian empire.[12]

Studies on other features of the Croats such as navigation reject the Slav presumption that the Croats had not have navigated before but that they had rather learnt the art from the Italians. According to the studies, there is evidence available that the Croats were acquainted with sailing even before the Slavs and that the time for their navigation in the Adriatic goes back to the 6th and 7th centuries. It should be noted that local Croat navigators were known as "Indo-Iranian" and "Slavs" in the Adriatic.
The earliest mention of the Croatian name, Horouathos, can be traced on two stone inscriptions in the Greek language and script, dating from around the year 200 AD, found in the seaport Tanais on the Azov sea, Crimea peninsula (near the Black Sea). Both tablets are kept in the Archaeological museum in Saint Petersburg, Russia.

Theories on the origin of Croats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TuranKhan]

Turkish superior fighting is proven by every way, every battle is history. Needles to say any historian knows this.

However Chinese is always known as weak, skinny, second class Japanese and human wave people.

You remember bruce Lees film what it said.

No dogs and no....... Hint the answer is your inferior race.

 

[Targon]

Some researchers "claim", those researchers claims many things in many nations.

Both Croats and Serbs from the beginning of their history were plainly Slavic.

 

[iajj]

I Correct my previous statement. Herodotus say: Scythians use 7 (seven) different translator to communicate eachother.

Source: Herodotus Book IV, chapter 24.

that is the saddest part, whenever turkics wanted to learn about their true origin, they have to appeal to the histories of superior races. and inevitably, these histories tell only stories of who the superior races prevailed over the barbarians and had them kicked out of their parts of the world. the way you know everybody - EVERYBODY - had the last laugh over the hapless turkics was that they got to write the history on the dead meat turkics, ahahaha.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

What? Many Croats claim to be Iranic (Sarmatian) by heritage.

Theories on the origin of Croats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Theories are that humanity has spread to world from Caucasus and Middleast.

But those theories dont explain why there are humans with Asiatic and Negro features.

that is the saddest part, whenever turkics wanted to learn about their true origin, they have to appeal to the histories of superior races. and inevitably, these histories tell only stories of who the superior races prevailed over the barbarians and had them kicked out of their parts of the world. the way you know everybody - EVERYBODY - had the last laugh over the hapless turkics was that they got to write the history on the dead meat turkics, ahahaha.

I can teach you Chinese history.

 

[Surenas]

Iranian heritage of Bulgars:

Croats:

I know, no academic sources, but just wanted to show that some of those people think they have Iranic origins.

 

[Targon]

Some of the Turks and Hungarians also thinks they have Sumerian origins.