does israel have the right to exist?

[qamar1990]

because its not colonialism.

if its not colonialism what is it??

 

[karan.1970]

50 percent…

Basis what logic? And while you are at it, are you also going to try and throw Americans out of USA and Canadians out of Canada?

if its not colonialism what is it??

Nothing.. BAU

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

any examples where Muslims are the culprits and non muslims are the victims ?

Sudan, boko Haram ...are couple of those.....

 

[ChennaiDude]

yara india ko kiya mila? kuch nahin….ab tak
turkey kiya mila kuch nahin
egypt ko kiya mila? kuch nahin…

Just going a bit off topic....please excuse me...!

USA is not GOD...it can only help in creating opportunities .... but the Lets leave Egypt out for now(Its going to get better)...As far as Turkey is concerned they are doing pretty good..they have not yet met their potential...Now lets take India..Population, poverty, equality and most importantly...government policies have held us back...but what we have achieved in the last 20 years is still great..we grabbed the opportunities presented....could we have done better?....absolutely YES..but Population, poverty, equality and most importantly...government policies..held us back a little...the above 3 countries that you mentioned are already on the way to prosperity...Nothing is free my friend ...you need to work for it..."you can only take the horse to the water....the horse still has to drink it".

 

[Ahmad1996]

To study is Jihad?
Charity is Zakat/Sadaqah which is incorporated in Islam.

Who are you trying to fool here?

Ignorants who else? Like I said you won't understand. You struggle to gain knowledge so that you can help other Muslims and spread knowledge of Islam to others.

does israel have the right to exist?
YES

Lol why do you people always change the topic when you start to lose.

 

[Ahmad1996]

Read and answered!
Go back and read my answer.

Either your answer is incomplete or you agree to live the same way the Palestinians are living i.e under Israeli siege. You sir deserve a medal

 

[ashok321]

Ignorants who else? Like I said you won't understand. You struggle to gain knowledge so that you can help other Muslims and spread knowledge of Islam to others..

On underlined I would say the following:
Preset mind?
Other than that how would you know that I would NOT understand??
Can not I be an EX-Muslim?
Cretin is one who acts like one...

On "struggle"
Come to Jihad thread if any.
Do not go off topic and be banned.
Oops, it will be me, and not you as Pakistani...
I know the business here..
Well versed..

 

[Dubious]

Yes but jewish justification is moses led them to this area from egypt to settle in and something like 'god game the jews land of israel or something'.Its religion meet imperial geopolitics and ideology.I'm not supporting anyone here.

Being secular land and religion should be separated...isnt that the modern day rant?

That being said God gave the land to Judah...How many are related to Judah?

Next question Judah himself was from Cannan


Canaan was, during the late 2nd millennium BC, a region in the Ancient Near East, which as described in the Bible roughly corresponds to the Levant, i.e. modern-day Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, the western part of Jordan and southwestern Syria.

The name is used commonly in the Hebrew Bible, with particular definition in references Genesis 10 and Numbers 34, where the "Land of Canaan" extends from Lebanon southward to the "Brook of Egypt" and eastward to the Jordan River Valley. References to Canaan in the bible are usually backward looking, referring to a region that had become something else (e.g. the Land of Israel), and references to Canaanites commonly describe them as a people who had been annihilated.

So who does the land belong to?
Only Zionists claim them Jews mostly dont:

Rabbi Weiss of the Ultra Orthodox Jewish group called Neturei Karta (which means "Guardians of the City" in the ancient Aramaic language), which was formed in the 1930's before Israel was created in 1948, to protest the new movement called Zionism. Rabbi Weiss, who is based just north of New York City, explains why his worldwide organization believes that Zionism is the exact opposite of Judaism and why they pray for the peaceful dismantling of the Zionist state of Israel.

Mainstream media has always ignored the activism of the Neturei Karta and other anti-Zionism groups, so this film may be somewhat shocking, but very enlightening, for many people who have always thought that all Jews are pro-Israel and Zionists. Rabbi Weiss provides a fascinating and concise history of Judaism and how Zionism has been aggressively seeking to transform it, revealing their intimidation tactics and falsehoods. He explains how the only way that true peace can be achieved is through achieving justice for the Palestinian people, by apologizing for having oppressed them and for stealing their land. He advocates making amends with them by providing reparations and allowing them equal rights.
According to Rabbi Weiss, Zionism is blatant racism and against true Jewish values. He asserts that Judaism is a religion, but Zionism has attempted to replace religion with nationalism. For more information about Neturei Karta, please visit <http://www.nkusa.org/>www.nkusa.org.

To Those Who Think All Jews Are Pro-Israel & Zionists


1) What is "The People of Israel" ?

• The People of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
• They have their own particular, essential nature.
• The Torah is the source of their essential nature.
• Without Torah and Faith there is no People of Israel.
• Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the People of Israel.
• The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine Service.
• Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) What is Zionism?

• Zionism is a relatively new thing.
• It has only existed for a century.
• Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the People of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character - a materialistic worldly nation.
• Their misfortune is lack of what other nations possess, i.e. a state and army.
• Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
• This is clearly spelled out in the circles of Zionist thought, and among the leaders of the Zionist State, that through changing the nature and character of the People of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation" -- a state and an army.

The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND -- Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. If we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD -- Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.

FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.


Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State


^ Jewish site

 

[Ahmad1996]

On underlined I would say the following:
Preset mind?
Other than that how would you know that I would NOT understand??
Can not I be an EX-Muslim?
Cretin is one who acts like one...

On "struggle"
Come to Jihad thread if any.
Do not go off topic and be banned.
Oops, it will be me, and not you as Pakistani...
I know the business here..
Well versed..

Why do you think we needed to create Pakistan? And you are right let's not go off-topic but just one last thing if you ever go on Indian forums most of us will be banned by just saying Hello. Consider yourself lucky that webby allows you when your own mates don't allow us in your forums.

 

[Dubious]

@QAMAR my answer:

Yes they have the right to exist but they have no rights to transgress and impose their shit on others or be freaking control freaks and try to control everything from water supply to trade controls!

Yes they have the right to exist like every other nation does but can they in the process of existing at least behave as humans ?

Almost all migration to Israel has been driven by religion

Wow a Indian impressed about a land for religion...Dont you Indians hate Pakistan for the same reason...religion? Why the 2 faces?

 

[he-man]

JISKI LAATHI USKI BHAINS.................

 

[Dubious]

JISKI LAATHI USKI BHAINS.................

In such a case Pakistani forum Pakistani ki lathi chal bhains nikal!

 

[he-man]

In such a case Pakistani forum Pakistani ki lathi chal bhains nikal!

 

[Jaanbaz]

Yes they do have a right to exist. But what shouldn't have happen was that some Jews have become like Nazi themselves. They call for genocide of Palestinians.

Main question should be will Palestine ever become a fully international nation with control of its land, sea and air boundaries?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

No, because they could live in holy land being Palestinian and even visit, do not need to create Israel. got the point ?

Nope. I simply was enquiring whether the Jews regard Israel as their holy land like the Muslims regard Mecca and Medina and the Christians Rome. I am not defending anybody here so no need to be counter defensive. Get the point ?