Does India Harbour Territorial Ambitions Towards Pakistan or Not?

[Bang Galore]

Recently Indian defense adviser to Modi talked of intervention in Baluchistan to separate it from Pakistan..

Like many things in Pakistan, there is always more in that story than is told.

Firstly, Ajit Doval said " Pakistan must know that if it thinks of doing another Mumbai, then it can lose Baluchistan (warning)"

The key here is not to do another Mumbai......not to expect that Pakistan can do any number of Mumbai like incidents without fear of retaliation.

Secondly, this was said by Ajit Doval in February of 2014 - i.e. not recently. Ajit Doval was speaking as a private citizen, he wasn't the NSA.

 

[Nilesh Singh]

You can visit entire world and still fail to defend a single question. India invaded Pakistan and India has exhibited territorial ambitions against Pakistan. Its too obvious that you are trying to hide fact behind noise.

Sitting in Australia don't be a expert, live in Pakistan with daily reminder going out of house might be last day in your life. Then come and talk about India territorial ambitions against Pakistan. You need to brush up your history and just Google to find out the reason behind India invasion in East Pakistan.
On 3-Dec 1971 Pakistan attacked India 11 forward air bases in Punjab,rajasthan,J&k. Then India invaded east Pakistan and west Pakistan and it was not before 3rd dec. So before being a India - Pakistan history expert, please go for the newspaper from western media to see the truth who invaded whom. Do not be a educated moron and talk with some reasoning, Pakistan was going to divide if not in 71 then some years latter, just read to find out what your Army and politician did in East Bengal that led to so much bloodshed. Being patriotic is good, but don't be a looser who blindly accept anything that are provided by your military elite.

Below is surrendered letter signed by your mighty Pakistan military.

 

[arbit]

Exactly. But the point of the thread is why is India perceived in Pakistan as being an external threat. All right there is the Kashmir problem, but it seems from the video in the OP that some or many Pakistanis still believe that India has territorial ambitions towards Pakistan itself and for that reason was and remains an external threat. Is this just a beat-up to justify military spending? Apart from Kashmir, what is it with India that some or many Pakistanis have a problem with? Or is it, as stated previously, just the Indian Boogeyman Syndrome?

Look at it this way. Even, say, India had territorial ambitions towards pakistan, what will it gain by that? A relatively limited piece of land with no natural resources, continuous onslaught from pakistan in the form of guerrilla war, international pressure AND a radicalise islamised populace. A migraine inducing land parcel with no associated benefits.

Europe is already having trouble with radical islamists. Why would we want that sort of cancer in our own country?
We have our sights set higher, also we have high hopes of development and growth for the next decade.
Let pakistanis be obsessed with us, they got nothing going for them.
Also, in case you call graphician, do let us know which ghetto he lives in

 

[graphican]

We only care about our land and let me make it sure,that we won't take any single indian refugee.Either they should leave our territory or be ready to fight as we also won't take prisoners

The world has came to a point where capturing other's territory without local support is not possible. That is why Western Imperialistic Designs now asks for new small states and take them as allies instead of capturing their territories.

In future conflicts with India, Eastern India would be separated easily. Kashmir and Jammu are our claimed territories so we can keep them but rest of India must decide what they want to do with what is left over. Punjabis are very friendly towards Pakistan. Not a single

Pakistan also wants Balkanization of India, don't say that you don't have the interest in assam, hyderabad and NE

and you have very top secret info. do you work in PMO? there is no Intention of India to separate balochistan from pakistan, its just a rumour.

Its a misconception that India can invade in the country and separate it from any part of Pakistan. India has done once before but that was isolated territory only accessible through air and water and both were blocked by India. Baluchistan is on the western side of Pakistan and in order to do any activity there, it would have to run-over entire eastern territory first.

What was bigger for India? Kashmir War where militry was involved or Mumbai terrorists attacks done by terrorist? What could India pull-off when their territory was invaded and intense fight was fought between armies in disputed territory? Indians can go out of mind more easily than any other known Nation.. and this out of mind experiences are demonstrated by your generals and think-tanks quite often. Who would forget "Das Qadam Pakistan Khatam" strategy you guys had.

 

[Red Spinifex]

Sitting in Australia don't be a expert, live in Pakistan with daily reminder going out of house might be last day in your life. Then come and talk about India territorial ambitions against Pakistan. You need to brush up your history and just Google to find out the reason behind India invasion in East Pakistan.
On 3-Dec 1971 Pakistan attacked India 11 forward air bases in Punjab,rajasthan,J&k. Then India invaded east Pakistan and west Pakistan and it was not before 3rd dec. So before being a India - Pakistan history expert, please go for the newspaper from western media to see the truth who invaded whom. Do not be a educated moron and talk with some reasoning, Pakistan was going to divide if not in 71 then some years latter, just read to find out what your Army and politician did in East Bengal that led to so much bloodshed. Being patriotic is good, but don't be a looser who blindly accept anything that are provided by your military elite.

Below is surrendered letter signed by your mighty Pakistan military.

It is interesting to read such a historical document. Thanks for uploading it.

 

[ghauri05]

Common Pakistanis didnt think daily about it.But their elites especially in intel agencies and Army .need such a propoganda for their lucrative business.

Yes ...in the very same manner..in which RAW and Indian armed forces need propaganda... that whatever happens in INDIA.....The MIGHTY ISI is behind it....
koi baat nai yaar...tmary army r intelligence agencies ko apna pait palne k lye" ISI fear" ki zarurt he to hme koi masla nai....kisi ki rozi rotti pe laat nai marte hm....

 

[Blue_Eyes]

Its a misconception that India can invade in the country and separate it from any part of Pakistan. India has done once before but that was isolated territory only accessible through air and water and both were blocked by India. Baluchistan is on the western side of Pakistan and in order to do any activity there, it would have to run-over entire eastern territory first.
and this out of mind experiences are demonstrated by your generals and think-tanks quite often. Who would forget "Das Qadam Pakistan Khatam" strategy you guys had.

your underlined post is contradicting with your think tanks who think we are behind BLA.
And please realise it that bangladesh was your fault not ours we didn't started cruelty there.
And to be precise, your generals are out of mind who thinks that they can capture the kashmir by proxy war. Don't force me to show who are mujahids and who are supporting them and why, and forget kashmir, your generals support Taliban too, so who is out of mind?

 

[Nilesh Singh]

I don't know about india but i can assure you that one day we will reclaim our territory of Indus valley civilization driving the indian people toward central india who have occupied our land

Keep on living in dreamland Just make sure first Pakistan is there, at the rate your country is going there will be no pakistan left to even to dream.

Exactly my point. India still keeps territorial interests in Pakistan but to divide and create them non-hostile states like Bangladesh, Myamar or Bhutan. India may not be able to capture a territory but its territorial interests are still there. What India does with the territory is seondary but as core interst, territory matters to Indian hostile designs.

Recently Indian defense adviser to Modi talked of intervention in Baluchistan to separate it from Pakistan. Weather it has capacity to do that or not is another aspect but question of intention is unquestioned.

Any link or just trolling..............

 

[Bomber]

Common Pakistanis didnt think daily about it.But their elites especially in intel agencies and Army .need such a propoganda for their lucrative business.

O we are far happy in pakistan than going to india and forced by BAJRANG DALL / RSS to convert to hinduism those muslims in india they would like to come to pakistan rather we should go to india ......

 

[graphican]

We only care about our land and let me make it sure,that we won't take any single indian refugee.Either they should leave our territory or be ready to fight as we also won't take prisoners

The world has came to a point where capturing other's territory without local support is not possible. That is why Western Imperialistic Designs now asks for new small states and take them as allies instead of capturing their territories.

In future conflicts with India, Eastern India would be separated easily. Kashmir and Jammu are our claimed territories so we can keep them but rest of India must decide what they want to do with what is left over. Punjabis are very friendly towards Pakistan. Not a single

Pakistan also wants Balkanization of India, don't say that you don't have the interest in assam, hyderabad and NE

and you have very top secret info. do you work in PMO? there is no Intention of India to separate balochistan from pakistan, its just a rumour.

Its a misconception that India can invade in the country and separate it from any part of Pakistan. India has done once before but that was isolated territory only accessible through air and water and both were blocked by India. Baluchistan is on the western side of Pakistan and in order to do any activity there, it would have to run-over entire eastern territory first.

What was bigger for India? Kashmir War where militry was involved or Mumbai terrorists attacks done by terrorist? What could India pull-off when their territory was invaded and intense fight was fought between armies in disputed territory? Indians can go out of mind by winning a cricket matc

Keep on living in dreamland Just make sure first Pakistan is there, at the rate your country is going there will be no pakistan left to even to dream.


Any link or just trolling..............

your underlined post is contradicting with your think tanks who think we are behind BLA.
And please realise it that bangladesh was your fault not ours we didn't started cruelty there.
And to be precise, your generals are out of mind who thinks that they can capture the kashmir by proxy war. Don't force me to show who are mujahids and who are supporting them and why, and forget kashmir, your generals support Taliban too, so who is out of mind?

Haha how desperate you are to receive a clean chit What I mentioned is in context and what India is doing from Afghanistan into Pakistan is still an example at hand. You guys can support terrorists but in order to get a piece of territory from Baluchistan, you would need to invade.

 

[Blue_Eyes]

Haha how desperate you are to receive a clean chit What I mentioned is in context and what India is doing from Afghanistan into Pakistan is still an example at hand. You guys can support terrorists but in order to get a piece of territory from Baluchistan, you would need to invade.

clean chit from pakistan, Am I dreaming?

we don't need any territory sir, why would we invade? To destroy our developing economy??

 

[aakash_2410]

As of I know Australians in Australia hate Indians more than they hate any other country. Even Indians try to call themselves Muslims when they come across Lebanese Gangs. You are surely not an Australian as you cannot resist supporting India in your talks.

Also, when did Australians learned about India Pakistan war? You are too stupid to hide your real identity.

Very typical mullah mindset. See I tell you why Americans, Brits, Australians or western civilisation in general would prefer India. Democratic values such as liberty, 'freedom of speech', freedom to practise religion and tolerance for other cultures are very dear to them and as a fellow democratic country they would naturally ally with India. When the incidents like Charlie Hebdo take place people run out of tolerance. Europe or western civilisation can not just simply go back to dark ages, it has worked hard for enlightenment. When some of your ignorant mullahs go on telly and shout "Islam is the truth, Islam will rule the world and Sharia will be the law of the land." People get frustrated like "You ungrateful git! You were probably dying of hunger and we let you in this country and this is how you repay us?"

Plus some of his fellow Australians painted Hindu deities on footwear and undergarments. (Not a mere cartoon by satirical magazine) How many Hindus go and started shooting in the name of religion? None. So the western world sees this and then you complain why they side with Indians.

But your obsession with India is restricting you from seeing a bigger picture here. This isn't about an Australian caring about south-asian wars. There's much more to it than this simple question. You Islamists are the biggest hypocrites! You say Australians hate India? When something like Charlie Hebdo shootings happen you guys cry foul of 'Ohh! It's the very small minority, don't paint us with the same brush and blah blah blah' and here you are painting all Australians as hateful people. Plus, it is only the minority that does it? Correct. But the fact is that silent majority is irrelevant and very significant proportion of Muslim population are Islamist sympathisers if not Islamists themselves. It is quite prevalent on this very forum. A forum where a moderator believes Osama Bin Laden raid never took place since, no one saw any evidence and it's another American conspiracy to malign Pakistan.

And if you guys are so much against western foreign policy then why do you line up to go to these countries? so you can go there so you can alter their demographics and then your offspring will do Canada Parliament, UK Lee Rigby or Charlie Hebdo in France? It's about time these lenient western countries stand up for their values and fight this plague of religious extremism.

 

[anonymus]

In future conflicts with India, Eastern India would be separated easily.

Who would do that? Ummah ka ladla dulara Bangladesh!

Punjabis are very friendly towards Pakistan

Looks like long term memory loss.

Pakistanis tend to forget that Muslims were massacred so efficiently in erstwhile East Punjab (Punjab,Haryana,Himanchal) that there were practically no muslim left in these territories. You could do a comparative study about what Punjabis and Bengali migrants to Pakistan faced during Partition. You would find that East Punjabis were 1000 times more brutal to muslims in their region than those of West Bengal.

Contrary to what you are stating, Pakistan is hated most in Indo-Pak Border states.

India has done once before but that was isolated territory only accessible through air and water and both were blocked by India. Baluchistan is on the western side of Pakistan and in order to do any activity there, it would have to run-over entire eastern territory first.

If India ever make a move on Baluchistan, it would be by sea and an amphibious operation. There would be no overrunning of entire eastern country.

It is no secret that while your army is a-OK, and airforce inferior but combat capable,but your Navy could not stand against Indian Navy for even a single day.

 

[Kabira]

Like many things in Pakistan, there is always more in that story than is told.

Firstly, Ajit Doval said " Pakistan must know that if it thinks of doing another Mumbai, then it can lose Baluchistan (warning)"

The key here is not to do another Mumbai......not to expect that Pakistan can do any number of Mumbai like incidents without fear of retaliation.

Secondly, this was said by Ajit Doval in February of 2014 - i.e. not recently. Ajit Doval was speaking as a private citizen, he wasn't the NSA.

Are you mentally ill? What next? Zaid Hamid will conquer Delhi? There will be many mumbai like dramas, in fact even Assam massacre was done by ISI.

What more you guys need?

 

[Red Spinifex]

Very typical mullah mindset. See I tell you why Americans, Brits, Australians or western civilisation in general would prefer India. Democratic values such as liberty, 'freedom of speech', freedom to practise religion and tolerance for other cultures are very dear to them and as a fellow democratic country they would naturally ally with India. When the incidents like Charlie Hebdo take place people run out of tolerance. Europe or western civilisation can not just simply go back to dark ages, it has worked hard for enlightenment. When some of your ignorant mullahs go on telly and shout "Islam is the truth, Islam will rule the world and Sharia will be the law of the land." People get frustrated like "You ungrateful git! You were probably dying of hunger and we let you in this country and this is how you repay us?"

Plus some of his fellow Australians painted Hindu deities on footwear and undergarments. (Not a mere cartoon by satirical magazine) How many Hindus go and started shooting in the name of religion? None. So the western world sees this and then you complain why they side with Indians.

But your obsession with India is restricting you from seeing a bigger picture here. This isn't about an Australian caring about a south-asian wars. There's much more to it than this simple question. You Islamists are the biggest hypocrites! You say Australians hate India? When something like Charlie Hebdo shootings happen you guys cry foul of 'Ohh! It's the very small minority, don't paint us with the same brush and blah blah blah' and here you are painting all Australians as hateful people. Plus, it is only the minority that does it? Correct. But the fact is that silent majority is irrelevant and very significant proportion of Muslim population are Islamist sympathisers if not Islamists themselves. It is quite prevalent on this very forum. A forum where a moderator believes Osama Bin Laden raid never took place since, no one saw any evidence and it's another American conspiracy to malign Pakistan.

And if you guys are so much against western foreign policy then why do you line up to go to these countries? so you can go there so you can alter their demographics and then your offspring will do Canada Parliament, UK Lee Rigby or Charlie Hebdo in France? It's about time these lenient western countries stand up for their values and fight this plague of religious extremism.

You are absolutely right and the guy you are replying to has a very strange idea about Australians. We don't hate anyone as long as they behave themselves. South Asians are fine. I've worked with plenty of South Asians in my time, including Indians and ethnic Indians from Singapore, Sri Lankans, and Nepalese, and a range of East Asians, too, they were all good people and good colleagues. No native-born Australian working in our offices had a problem in the world with these guys. They did their work, they were good workers, intelligent conversationalists, and they easily socialised with their Australian-born co-workers. They were liked and respected. Some of them may have been Muslim for all I know. In the West it is considered impolite to ask somebody what their religion is and we don't as a rule talk on religious matters. The person has to volunteer that sort of information himself or herself. We are a tolerant, generous people and if people come to our country to work and have a better life all we ask is that our laws are observed and culture is respected. Your religion and culture are in turn respected and tolerated. Hindus celebrate Diwali, Chinese Buddhists and Taoists celebrate their festivals including Chinese New Year, as do other East Asians such as the Vietnamese, Muslims observe Ramadan, all this goes on in Australia and that's fine and it adds richness to the society. As long as everyone obeys the law and respects the other person's culture, there isn't a problem.