Does Himachal Pradhesh count as part of the Indus region?

[Jugger]

Yes Himachal is an integral part of the Indus Valley region as it is the origin of many the Indus tributaries Chenab, Ravi, and Baes. However, it is very mountaneous and has harsh terrain, and there are no IVC sites there as of my knowledge. The IVC region in India encompasses the states of Gujarat, western Rajasthan, Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal.(JaK as well, but that is disputed. This is the most accepted map. Unfortunately, I am nowhere near as skilled at creating diagrams as IP.

As to your question about people, well I have been to HP several times so I can answer that question. HP was a part of Punjab, but has always been culturally distinct, do to its geography and majority Hindu faith. The majority of Himachali people are ethnic Paharis, an Indo-Aryan group native to the Himalayas. Paharis live in Nepal, Himalayan regions of India(Himachal, JaK, and Uttarakhand), as well as AJK in Pakistan. So most Himachalis are similar to people from AJK. Himachal also has a significant Dogra population, and Dogras have Rajput ancestry, so there is also similarity with Pakistani Rajputs.
Keep in mind Himachal borders Tibet, so there is a strong Tibetan influence in Eastern HP. There are several languages in this region similar to TIbetan, such as Spiti and Kinnauri. Of Course, there are a lot of Tibetans as well since Himachal is the home of the Dalai Lama.
Other dialects of Pahari spoken in Himachal are Kangri and Mendeali. Some of these dialects have their own script, such as Kangri, which was historically written in Takri.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangri_dialect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahari_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnauri_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Pahari
So yes, Himachalis do share similarities with many Paksitani populations. Of course, there are also plenty of people they have nothing to do with , such as Sindhis and Balochis.
Here are some examples of Himachali people.

I hope I was helpful

I spot Alia Bhat in this pic... am I wrong..?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Oh! I thought Jinnah wanted Pakistan for Muslims of British Indian Empire!
Didn't know that you were privy to Jinnah's intention more than Jinnah himself!

Don'T be so illogical. Pakistan and Bangladesh cannot host all of South Asia's Muslim population.

Pakistan was never designed to be a homeland for South Asian Muslims. Pakistan were simply Muslim majority provinces which seceded from the British authority of the British Raj.

 

[Shamsher1990]

Don'T be so illogical. Pakistan and Bangladesh cannot host all of South Asia's Muslim population.

Pakistan was never designed to be a homeland for South Asian Muslims. Pakistan were simply Muslim majority provinces which seceded from the British authority of the British Raj.

https://www.dawn.com/news/797410

The resolution for the establishment of a separate homeland for the Muslims of British India passed in the annual session of the All India Muslim League held in Lahore on 22-24 March 1940 is a landmark document of Pakistan’s history.

The writer is Professor Emeritus, Political Science, Punjab University, Lahore, and a recipient of the Presidential Award Sitara-i-Imtiaz.

 

[MultaniGuy]

https://www.dawn.com/news/797410

Yes for Muslims in the majoritarian provinces you dolt.

Pakistan and Bangladesh cannot host another 180 million Muslims from Republic of India.

Now Shoo.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but we Pakistanis have nothing in common with you Indians. Lol.

Look who is talking. Your forum posts are a joke. By the way Pakistanis do not give a damn for Indians. In fact Pakistanis look down upon Indians.

Have you even looked at my threads? I highly doubt @Indus Pakistan and @Taimur Khurram think that.

Yes for Muslims in the majoritarian provinces you dolt.

Pakistan and Bangladesh cannot host another 180 million Muslims from Republic of India.

Now Shoo.

That's not what your Jinnah thought. He thought Pakistan would be a 100% Muslim country with all Muslims of the subcontinent living there. But then again, he thought Pakistan would be a LOT bigger than it is today.

You can lol @ yourself. I am entitled to my opinion.

Now shoo.

We Pakistanis have nothing in common with Indians. That's why partition happened.[
You are entitled to your own opinion, but we are not required to believe falsehoods and rhetoric as facts. I am sorry if that offends you.

@TurnThyCheek I did not see the other part of your question, and I apologize for taking so long to respond. I did a quick serach on Chamba HP. The WIkipedia Page is actually very helpful about its history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamba,_Himachal_Pradesh
As for demographics, the people of that area are called Chambealis and have their own language, which is similar to Kangri and other Himachali languages in that region. However, almost everyone there knows Hindi, and there are also some Punjabi and Dogri speakers(mainly Sikhs) who migrated from modern-day Indian Punjab.
There is also a sizeable Gujjar community(mostly Muslims) who claim to be of Turkik decent and have their own language.
The other major community there are Gaddis, which is basically a shepherd caste that includes some Rajputs, Brahmins, and Thakurs as well.
Feel free to ask me if you have any more questions about HP/Uttarakhand.

 

[Shamsher1990]

Yes for Muslims in the majoritarian provinces you dolt.

Pakistan and Bangladesh cannot host another 180 million Muslims from Republic of India.

Now Shoo.

Thats not what Prof. Emeritus, winner of Sitara-e-Imtiaz think. Do you know more than him? ....... You dolt

 

[TurnThyCheek]

Feel free to ask me if you have any more questions about HP/Uttarakhand.

I have quite a few questions actually about HP and the Hindu Caste system so...are you sure if I ask you wont get annoyed?

 

[Hamza913]

Have you even looked at my threads? I highly doubt @Indus Pakistan and @Taimur Khurram think that.


That's not what your Jinnah thought. He thought Pakistan would be a 100% Muslim country with all Muslims of the subcontinent living there. But then again, he thought Pakistan would be a LOT bigger than it is today.

Yeah, I don't look down on someone based on their place of birth/ethnicity, you have very little choice over that.

Jinnah thought Muslims deserved their own homeland because we are too different to the other communities in British India, he didn't think all Muslims would go to Pakistan nor did he think all non-Muslims would go to Hindustan. Although, he probably hoped for the former to occur.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Yeah, I don't look down on someone based on their place of birth/ethnicity, you have very little choice over that.

Jinnah thought Muslims deserved their own homeland because we are too different to the other communities in British India, he didn't think all Muslims would go to Pakistan nor did he think all non-Muslims would go to Hindustan. Although, he probably hoped for the former to occur.

I did not mean whether you look down upon me in general(I know better than to ask you that) but whether you think my posts are a joke.
And yes, I do appreciate the fact that you are willing to have civilized discussions with people of all nationalities. I do enjoy our debates, even though we rarely end up agreeing on anything.

BTW, have you seen my Odisha history thread?

I have quite a few questions actually about HP and the Hindu Caste system so...are you sure if I ask you wont get annoyed?

You can ask me all the questions about HP you want. Although I am not from there, I have been there often and enjoy its natural landscape, people and culture. However I cant guarantee I will be able to respond in a timely manner
I am not sure about the Caste system though. There have already been some threads on that, and those discussions rarely end well. I think it is technically banned to discuss religion here as well, but than again, almost nobody follows the rules.

 

[Hamza913]

BTW, have you seen my Odisha history thread?

Nah, I'll get to it now though.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Thats not what Prof. Emeritus, winner of Sitara-e-Imtiaz think. Do you know more than him? ....... You dolt

Thats not what Prof. Emeritus, winner of Sitara-e-Imtiaz think. Do you know more than him? ....... You dolt

You dolt I have a right to my opinion .


Now shoo

Prof. Emeritus has a right to his opinion as well.

Lol at yourself you dolt

I did not mean whether you look down upon me in general(I know better than to ask you that) but whether you think my posts are a joke.
And yes, I do appreciate the fact that you are willing to have civilized discussions with people of all nationalities. I do enjoy our debates, even though we rarely end up agreeing on anything.

BTW, have you seen my Odisha history thread?


You can ask me all the questions about HP you want. Although I am not from there, I have been there often and enjoy its natural landscape, people and culture. However I cant guarantee I will be able to respond in a timely manner
I am not sure about the Caste system though. There have already been some threads on that, and those discussions rarely end well. I think it is technically banned to discuss religion here as well, but than again, almost nobody follows the rules.

Some of your posts are nonsensical.

Anyways point is we Pakistanis have nothing in common with you Indians.

Now get over it.

Have you even looked at my threads? I highly doubt @Indus Pakistan and @Taimur Khurram think that.


That's not what your Jinnah thought. He thought Pakistan would be a 100% Muslim country with all Muslims of the subcontinent living there. But then again, he thought Pakistan would be a LOT bigger than it is today.



@TurnThyCheek I did not see the other part of your question, and I apologize for taking so long to respond. I did a quick serach on Chamba HP. The WIkipedia Page is actually very helpful about its history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamba,_Himachal_Pradesh
As for demographics, the people of that area are called Chambealis and have their own language, which is similar to Kangri and other Himachali languages in that region. However, almost everyone there knows Hindi, and there are also some Punjabi and Dogri speakers(mainly Sikhs) who migrated from modern-day Indian Punjab.
There is also a sizeable Gujjar community(mostly Muslims) who claim to be of Turkik decent and have their own language.
The other major community there are Gaddis, which is basically a shepherd caste that includes some Rajputs, Brahmins, and Thakurs as well.
Feel free to ask me if you have any more questions about HP/Uttarakhand.

Nor am I required to believe your falsehoods and rhetoric as facts.

We can agree to disagree.

Now move on.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

You dolt I have a right to my opinion .


Now shoo

Prof. Emeritus has a right to his opinion as well.

Lol at yourself you dolt


Some of your posts are nonsensical.

Anyways point is we Pakistanis have nothing in common with you Indians.

Now get over it.

Please point out which of my posts are nonsensical. Just because you disagree with facts does not mean they are not facts, and all I post are facts. Yes I know the truth can hurt sometimes. You just have to get over it.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Please point out which of my posts are nonsensical. Just because you disagree with facts does not mean they are not facts, and all I post are facts. Yes I know the truth can hurt sometimes. You just have to get over it.

Awww... that is so sweet coming from an Indian going on a Pakistani forum

 

[Cobra Arbok]

You dolt I have a right to my opinion .


Now shoo

Prof. Emeritus has a right to his opinion as well.

Lol at yourself you dolt


Some of your posts are nonsensical.

Anyways point is we Pakistanis have nothing in common with you Indians.

Now get over it.


Nor am I required to believe your falsehoods and rhetoric as facts.

We can agree to disagree.

Now move on.

Provide a counter to my arguments/information if you do not think they are facts. In all of my posts I avoid speculation and hypotheticals and simply focus on the ground realities. I know you may not like those ground realities, but you cannot change facts and reality.

Now provide a counterarguement to my posts and threads based on facts, evidence, and logic rather than simply spamming "Pakistanis have nothing to do with Indian," or get lost.

Awww... that is so sweet coming from an Indian going on a Pakistani forum

I am waiting for you to show me how what I post is not true. Did I hurt your little feelings?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Provide a counter to my arguments/information if you do not think they are facts. In all of my posts I avoid speculation and hypotheticals and simply focus on the ground realities. I know you may not like those ground realities, but you cannot change facts and reality.

Now provide a counterarguement to my posts and threads based on facts, evidence, and logic rather than simply spamming "Pakistanis have nothing to do with Indian," or get lost.


I am waiting for you to show me how what I post is not true. Did I hurt your little feelings?

Okay, for a start @Taimur Khurram stated that Jinnah did not think all Muslims of South Asia would go to Pakistan.

Provide a counter to my arguments/information if you do not think they are facts. In all of my posts I avoid speculation and hypotheticals and simply focus on the ground realities. I know you may not like those ground realities, but you cannot change facts and reality.

Now provide a counterarguement to my posts and threads based on facts, evidence, and logic rather than simply spamming "Pakistanis have nothing to do with Indian," or get lost.


I am waiting for you to show me how what I post is not true. Did I hurt your little feelings?

Awww... little Indiot challenging me on a Pakistani forum? Did I pull a nerve on you?