Do you think Pakistan as a nation underachieved to its true potential?

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pakistan has potential for more, but just as Mastan Khan said its already on the limits of its strength and any more stress on it could lead to a disaster.

no offense to my brother Mastan Khan --but I STRONGLY disagree with that statement.

Pakistan is on the limits of ''rock bottom'' in terms of potential being realized.



and we have had many achievements for a country that less than 7 decades old; the real question is, how do we bring back the talented Pakistanis living overseas so they can help create a mutually-beneficial relationship with the country

just a few years ago we were a rapidly growing economy with one of the most dynamic and succesful stock markets in Asia.


we will regain our glory once the security environment improves; of course these floods will have a long term detrimental impact on the economy


and it is more than enough reason for the govt. to realize that tax collection rates need to increase to at least 16-18% as opposed to the paltry 10% that it is at now

 

[GentlemanObserver]

Hi,

Let us respect the man for his education---it is a Phd---it is a feather in the crown and that from cambridge---.

Listen and learn---these people are not pakistan's enemies---they are here talking about pakistan, because they are wellwishers of pakistan. If they cared less---why would they come here and take their time.

Who gives hoot about the co-ordination of army the politicians or the feudal lords----do outsider care about the SOB STORIES of pakistanis---.

They say---if you are somebody---if you claim that you have potential---then do something---it is your house----fix it---take charge---take ownership---make things happen----stop making excuses---show us how capable you are---do you have it in you---or it is just all talk.

There are no under achievers in pakistan---PAKISTAN IS BEING RUN AT ITS FULL POTENTIAL---this is what pakistan is---.

A man is the proud creation of The God---this creation does not under perform---that is a part and function of the design created by our Lord---regardless of who we are and where we are---we work to our fullest potential under the given circumstances---.

Where is the shame in admitting---we are what you see

Fair enough sir.

 

[prtikul]

no offense to my brother Mastan Khan --but I STRONGLY disagree with that statement.

Pakistan is on the limits of ''rock bottom'' in terms of potential being realized.



and we have had many achievements for a country that less than 7 decades old; the real question is, how do we bring back the talented Pakistanis living overseas so they can help create a mutually-beneficial relationship with the country

just a few years ago we were a rapidly growing economy with one of the most dynamic and succesful stock markets in Asia.


we will regain our glory once the security environment improves; of course these floods will have a long term detrimental impact on the economy


and it is more than enough reason for the govt. to realize that tax collection rates need to increase to at least 16-18% as opposed to the paltry 10% that it is at now

Agree with you on part that means Pakistan does have more potential but I think it is not going to help drastically even if all talented overseas Pakistani back to country. They already helping by giving foreign exchange to home economy.As you are right that war on terror and global meltdown brought strain on economy but I feel any country must start to improve fundamentals like education. These are going to beneficiary in long term future rather than short term boom in stock exchange.

Even I feel India also need to pay attention on agriculture structure which actually have little negative growth rate this year. As 70% population is depends on it so its serious cause. So accepting some mistakes is going to be beneficiary for both India and Pakistan. So that Pakistan can actually achieve it's true potential by abiding it's culture constructively.It can take time but it's best way to tackle the problem from my point of view.

 

[prtikul]

Potential is useless until it is tapped. Pakistan’s most major problem is the utter lack of any real system. The rich and the powerful have the capability to override anything and anyone. The Army lives in its own world and the government seems almost helpless in the face of relentless corruption and internal disturbances. Again if you really need to study why Pakistan is that way it is today you need to go back to 1947.

Jinnah was a true visionary and you cannot deny that. He has drawn out many plans in regards to Pakistan but Pakistan’s biggest misfortune was his early death. He left a nation without any vision or visionary and then it was like a free cake for whoever to grab. It was only during the very short period of Jinnah when Pakistan saw stability in its governance and a prosperity in the geo-political sense. After his death, the country totally lost track and military coup’s one after the other wrecked the civilian infrastructure of the country, which is key in the success of any nation. The wars of 1965 and 71 again pushed the state back another 10 years. Forward to 1990 and you can put India and Pakistan almost at the same level. India faced a huge balance of payment crises and could have followed a path where it could have relied on external loans to ensure survival but the visionary thinking of Manmohan Singh saved India from disaster. Pakistan needs a person like him who can remodel its economy, governmental structures and limit the hold of the army over the country.

Pakistan has potential for more, but just as Mastan Khan said its already on the limits of its strength and any more stress on it could lead to a disaster. A nation is not identified by its potential but by its achievements. Sadly there is very little Pakistani’s can relate to in terms of the achievements of their nation. The youth is the key but sadly even they are being taken on the wrong path by many.

You summed it perfectly. Indeed Mr Jinnah was a true

visionary, Situation would have been lot better if there were more

leaders of his caliber to rule Pakistan. In that sense I feel India is lucky,

even though corruption and other serious issues it produced

underrated leaders like Mr Manmohan Singh and P.Chidambaram who

are dedicated for their work.

In spite of all loopholes situation is certainly improving I can

give you example of Maharashtra state which have 80 million

population. There is strong campaign on introducing primary

education to all children. I can give you my personal experience while

doing industrial training in Koyna Power plant which produces

2000MW electricity and have 100 TMC water storage capacity I met

my friends father who works as a Educational officer of Tehsil, He

invited me to come with his colleagues to site where proposal was to

start primary school for merely 3 to 4 families which having merely 6

student from 1st to 4th standard. We went there forest like area

which was from 2 hours distance from boat. Those are actually

displaced families when dam was built and was leaving there while

refusing to get displaced to suitable site due to they do agriculture in

that area. After analyzing situation school was approved which

started in one home temporary for some month till school building

can be built. Government provided them one teacher whose monthly

payment is between 20000 to 25000 RS monthly for teaching only 6

student .

So I feel like this investment in education is very key for

long term future. I hope Pakistan can do it within it's cultural values

and going progress in near future. Also India must keep good work

and need to improve quality of higher education overall plus need to

pay special attention towards lower income groups who lives

nomadic life and brought them into main stream.

 

[U-571]

we want to see who voted # 3 and #4 please!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

but the fact remains that chinese do not like Muslims in general (actually, they do not like south asians as a whole).

Complete and utter BS.

According to you, Chinese people are all racists, and prejudiced people.

The fact that "apparently" you have some Chinese ancestry on your mother's side doesn't count for anything at ALL... you are not culturally Chinese, you don't live in China, and you have no idea how Chinese society works.

The fact that you have pretty much labelled all Chinese people as racist shows how prejudiced you really are.

Get a clue, Islam has existed in China for thousands of years, and there are more than 20 million Muslims in China today. There are Muslims in Beijing, Shanghai and Guangdong, and all across the rest of China.

Growing up in Hong Kong I had plenty of Muslim friends, Indian friends, even Japanese friends. Don't give us some BS about how you think Chinese people are all racist. You have no clue at all.

 

[below_freezing]

Complete and utter BS.

According to you, Chinese people are all racists, and prejudiced people.

The fact that "apparently" you have some Chinese ancestry on your mother's side doesn't count for anything at ALL... you are not culturally Chinese, you don't live in China, and you have no idea how Chinese society works.

The fact that you have pretty much labelled all Chinese people as racist shows how prejudiced you really are.

Get a clue, Islam has existed in China for thousands of years, and there are more than 20 million Muslims in China today. There are Muslims in Beijing, Shanghai and Guangdong, and all across the rest of China.

Growing up in Hong Kong I had plenty of Muslim friends, Indian friends, even Japanese friends. Don't give us some BS about how you think Chinese people are all racist. You have no clue at all.

many half white half chinese are completely culturally white. this is a perfect example.

pakistan has ALOT of potential, but it doesn't matter, because its not being exploited. notice how pakistan produces so many scientists, managers and engineers but doesn't have any great scientific/engineering achievements nor any huge companies? the system.

 

[siegecrossbow]

many half white half chinese are completely culturally white. this is a perfect example.

There are many fully Chinese people I know who are completely white on the inside and couldn't speak a single, unaccented, Chinese sentence.

 

[CardSharp]

There are many fully Chinese people I know who are completely white on the inside and couldn't speak a single, unaccented, Chinese sentence.

Those my friend are called bananas, yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Those my friend are called bananas, yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

I don't even mind if people are bananas or not.

What annoys me is when someone has claims to have "a bit of Chinese ancestry" and starts talking BS about China... as if their DNA somehow gives them inherited cultural knowledge, and some kind of authority over such matters.

Like Gordon Chang.

DNA doesn't count for squat if you don't identify with the country, or if you don't have any kind of cultural connection the country. This is not Nazi Germany, you don't get special privileges because of your DNA.

 

[oceanx]

... blinds them to the extreme hatred that the average chinese has towards Muslims in China- yes that is true and I can say this with some degree of authority, having grown up in Singapore and having Chinese ancestry on my mother's side and family ties in mainland China.

The rest of your post not withstanding - some of us have long maintained the opinion that it will be "healthy" for Pakistan and for China to maintain some distance while keeping mutual respect ... if for no other reasons but the adage that familiarity breeds contempt, however, you don't have a grain of authority to say what I highlighted, especially given that you grew up in Singapore, a somewhat "artificial" island in the "river of history".

Now it's possible that you may be half Malay/Caucasian/Martian and half Chinese (on your mother's side as you say), and trust me I understand this combination may be "sensitive" in Singapore despite the island's "above average" inter-group cohesion in that general neighbourhood.

And I'll leave it at that.

To "hate" one has to harbour prejudice. To form prejudice one has to at least be able to draw on some semblance of "knowledge". To tell you the truth the average Chinese in a place like Shanghai has little "serviceable" knowledge about Islam (my personal opinion based on experience and actual upbringing). The Huis around them are quite "secular" - whether one thinks it's good or ill. To accuse them of ignorance may not be unfair. To accuse them of "hate" belies your own bigotry (either projected or experienced) from your own mixed upbringing.

As a highly imperfect Christian, my personal opinion is that the average Chinese main-lander is probably more hostile to Christianity out of certain embellished historical excuses.

The situation in SE Asia where Singapore is situated is different. Look at the geography ... and the history.

This is going to sound blunt, but not intending to be mean-spirited - as neither did your own post no doubt: as a "half Chinese/half ???" growing up in Singapore, you are qualified to an extent to speak for that island and perhaps in a small way the various communities and their tensions in the former British/Dutch East Indies.

To explicitly bank on your "overseas Chinese heritage/half heritage" or what else have you to speak for the "average Chinese" on such matters is ...

perhaps trying too hard to put it mildly?

Lastly, put your shiny Cambridge degree aside ... (Incidentally, more power to you: "half Chinese" ... "South Asian" expert to boot ... "Comparative Economics" PhD ... just the kind of asset CIA salivates after ... kidding ... Hmmm ...)

But how fluent and literate are you in Chinese for all your "connections to the mainland"?

Incidentally, how well-versed are you in any of the tongues of "South Asia"? Sorry, I forgot ... you are fluent in English.

 

[CardSharp]

As a highly imperfect Christian, my personal opinion is that the average Chinese mainlander is probably more hostile to Christianity out of certain embellished historical excuses.

haha I knew it! I was going to ask because you took those comments on the other thread a little too personally. It's cool though.

 

[CardSharp]

Today we see Pakistani members eulogising everything China does and achieves withiout realising that China is merely using them like the yanks did earlier. their fawning over china even blinds them to the extreme hatred that the average chinese has towards Muslims in China- yes that is true and I can say this with some degree of authority, having grown up in Singapore and having Chinese ancestry on my mother's side and family ties in mainland China.

Don't pretend to know us. Just because your bigoted family thinks this way doesn't mean you can speak for 1.4 billion people. You and your half Chinese authority.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Don't pretend to know us. Just because your bigoted family thinks this way doesn't mean you can speak for 1.4 billion people. You and your half Chinese authority.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[CardSharp]

And shame on the Indian members who thumbed up this bigoted hate monger. You've all wanted to see the worse in Pakistan so badly that you are willing to encourage this ***** coming from a racist that probably believe terrible stereotypes about all South Asians.