Do you consider Pakistan to be a Middle-Eastern nation?

[SQ8]

Pakistan is a nation?

 

[Maira La]

I have no interest in educating you why we are one country unless you are thinking of relocating to India.

I don't understand why every post-colonial country thinks it existed forever. Your country's case is even worse, it's named after another country's river and it's not even small enough to be a country.. it's a freaking continent because the British expanded as far as they could.

 

[Varunastra]

Yours is just opinion, but there is scientific basis for what I am saying.

Look at the genetic distance from Punjabi Khatri to Pamiris and an average Indian from Andhra Pradesh.

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The Khatri is closer to the Pamiri. If you didn't know what Pamiris look like see below..
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So why should they be in a country with you rather than Pamiris?
You could maybe make a cultural case for it, but then again the only Khatri I know told me they don't like Khatris from UP ("cultural difference" according to him but made no sense to me since I know UP Khatris are originally migrants from Punjab) so I doubt they are very fond of identifying with other Indians, and if a large part of the Punjabi population have this psychology then it makes a good case for separation of identity (and country).

These numbers mean nothing to a common Indian. One who proudly represents the Tiranga everywhere he goes. Like I said some might be fairer, some taller, etc. You can find very fair people in all corners of India as we come in all colors.
The sense of pride and belonging to the soil, the nation matters nothing else.
If you want proof of nationalism among khatris read about our hero of Kargil Captain Vikram Batra who was a punjabi khatri. There is a very good new movie on it named Shershah, I would recommend you watch it.

 

[Maira La]

These numbers mean nothing to a common Indian. One who proudly represents the Tiranga everywhere he goes. Like I said some might be fairer, some taller, etc. You can find very fair people in all corners of India as we come in all colors.
The sense of pride and belonging to the soil, the nation matters nothing else.

They will one day. Just like internet once was the domain of only the military and academics but today everyone understands and uses it, the field of genetics, private testing and a better understanding of population genetics (along with easy access to online tools) is going to become more pervasive in the coming decades, school kids are going to learn these things and start questioning the identity they are brainwashed to believe in.

If you want proof of nationalism among khatris read about our hero of Kargil Captain Vikram Batra who was a punjabi khatri. There is a very good new movie on it named Shershah, I would recommend you watch it.

This means nothing in the long term. Ghaznavid General Tilak was a Hindu and he fought valiantly for his Sultan without any regard for his own life, but you can't extrapolate that fact to mean that Turks and Hindus are same people.

 

[Varunastra]

They will one day. Just like internet once was the domain of only the military and academics but today everyone understands and uses it, the field of genetics, private testing and a better understanding of population genetics (along with easy access to online tools) is going to become more pervasive in the coming decades, school kids are going to learn these things and start questioning the identity they are brainwashed to believe in.

Ok so someone finds out he is like 15% more alike to a Pamiri compared to someone else sometime in his life, big deal? Thousands of years of culture and brotherhood vs a number, I know who will win.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

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These are just different names of the same nation. What distinct nations they are as per you?

Bharati and Hindustani [Indian] are originally different names with different identity. A true Hindustani does not call himself Bharati. Hindustani is the original ancient Indian identity related to the Indus River [not to the Hindu religion]. Original Bharati are later Scythian arrivals who divided India (Hindustan) in the Mahabharat war. It's legacy continues today in Bharat-Pakistan. Bharatis usurped Hindustani identity so Bharatis are akin to Pakistanis in the reverse sense.

 

[Maula Jatt]

An interesting question. One that would be best answered using facts rather than conjectures.

Is Pakistan Middle Eastern? The truth is that Pakistan is situated on the fulcrum point where the Middle East, Central and South Asia meet. So in a geographical sense, Pakistan is just as Middle Eastern as it is Central or South Asian. From a racial and genetic point of view, the countries that Pakistan has the most in common with is Afghanistan and parts of South East Iran. Approximately 40% of Pakistan's population has some sort of genetic link to either Afghanistan, Iran or both. Nearly 55% of Pakistan's population is indigenous to the area that is modern day Pakistan.

Due to propaganda and bureaucratic convenience from the days of the British Raj, some falsely believe that Pakistanis are racially the same as indians. That is COMPLETELY FALSE as has been proven many times over the years on PDF, hence I won't go in to detail here again. AT MOST, 2% of indians from north west india have SOME sort of racial or genetic link to Pakistan. So at least 98% of modern day indians have NO racial or genetic links to 100% of modern day Pakistanis, WHATSOEVER.

From a cultural, religious and political point of view, the country that affects Pakistan the most is Afghanistan, as recent events and those going back 40 years have shown. What happens in Afghanistan internally has a DIRECT & PROFOUND impact on Pakistan.

So from looking at all the above facts, one can gather that Pakistan in it's truest sense is neither a Middle Eastern, Central or South Asian country. We are a unique nation with a unique culture and way of life. Do we have a lot in common with the Middle East and Central Asia? Yes we do. We are similar to Middle Eastern nations and peoples but at the same time we are different too. Pakistan's position vis-a-vis Middle Eastern nations can be best compared to the Czech Republic and their connections to Western Europe. The Czech Republic is where Western, Central and Eastern Europe meet. The Czech Republic is very similar to Western Europe in many ways but is also fundamentally different too.

So in one way we are similar to India

Both carrying the legacy of British Raj, resulting in some unique ways looking at em selves

which resulted in us identifying more with the SC than it actually was?

Sikh, British Raj resulted in our "closeness" (it was always thier ofcourse but these empires made our cultures more Indo-centric then it should have been or how it originally was)?

 

[Progressive1]

They will one day. Just like internet once was the domain of only the military and academics but today everyone understands and uses it, the field of genetics, private testing and a better understanding of population genetics (along with easy access to online tools) is going to become more pervasive in the coming decades, school kids are going to learn these things and start questioning the identity they are brainwashed to believe in.


This means nothing in the long term. Ghaznavid General Tilak was a Hindu and he fought valiantly for his Sultan without any regard for his own life, but you can't extrapolate that fact to mean that Turks and Hindus are same people.

genetics should be limited mainly to academia and research, average person can be gullible and can be easily fooled into believing racist suprimascist ideas by racialist theories. People develop associations mainly because of geography and socioeconomics proximity/sharing , this is enough.

 

[Maira La]

Ok so someone finds out he is like 15% more alike to a Pamiri compared to someone else sometime in his life, big deal? Thousands of years of culture and brotherhood vs a number, I know who will win.

What thousand years of brotherhood.. you think any Khatri ever met a Telegu or a Malayali or a Monipuri before the British came?

genetics should be limited mainly to academia and research, average person can be gullible and can be easily fooled into believing racist suprimascist ideas by racialist theories.

This sort of thinking is up for debate. You talk like the anti-gun lobby. Guns are dangerous so guns should be banned. But there is counter argument that good people with guns can neutralize the problem. Likewise smart, non-gullible people with access to the data and tools can help educate people. Also I believe a good understanding of genetics can help fight racism because racists will see how interconnected we all are. Hitler's Y-DNA haplogroup is E1b1b1, which originated in North Africa (and is the predominant haplogroup there) - had he known that I doubt he'd write all those delusional stuff about uniqueness of the German master race.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So in one way we are similar to India

Both carrying the legacy of British Raj, resulting in some unique ways looking at em selves

which resulted in us identifying more with the SC than it actually was?

Sikh, British Raj resulted in our "closeness" (it was always thier ofcourse but these empires made our cultures more Indo-centric then it should have been or how it originally was)?

Not really. Jamaica, Australia, British india, Canada and Nigeria were all a part of the British empire. They all speak English too. It doesn't make them all the same as each other. In the same way, being a part of the British empire doesn't make Pakistanis similar to indians.

 

[Varunastra]

This means nothing in the long term. Ghaznavid General Tilak was a Hindu and he fought valiantly for his Sultan without any regard for his own life, but you can't extrapolate that fact to mean that Turks and Hindus are same people.

Dude Capt Vikram Batra was awarded the Param Veer Chakra posthumously, our highest gallantry award for such bravery for the nation's cause. Most Khatris are hardcore Nationalists and bhakts of Lord Shiva. Listen to popular haryanvi songs you'll know.
There's nothing to prove more here.

See how a Braveheart from Haryana was ready to face angry anti-nationals in Australia at great odds and defended the tiranga.

 

[magra]

I don't understand why every post-colonial country thinks it existed forever. Your country's case is even worse, it's named after another country's river and it's not even small enough to be a country.. it's a freaking continent because the British expanded as far as they could.

Just because you chose (twice) to break into smaller and smaller country, does not mean that we have to be apologetic about our size. Still we are only the 7th largest country.

 

[Maira La]

Dude Capt Vikram Batra was awarded the Param Veer Chakra posthumously, our highest gallantry award for such bravery for the nation's cause. Most Khatris are hardcore Nationalists and bhakts of Lord Shiva. Listen to popular haryanvi songs you'll know.
There's nothing to prove more here.

See how a Braveheart from Haryana was ready to face angry anti-nationals in Australia at great odds and defended the tiranga.

Indians fought and died for the British during WW2. Were they not brave? North African soldiers and officers fought and died for France. Brave, no? But as I said in the long term these things do not blur the difference in identities.

 

[magra]

Bharati and Hindustani [Indian] are originally different names with different identity. A true Hindustani does not call himself Bharati. Hindustani is the original ancient Indian identity related to the Indus River [not to the Hindu religion]. Original Bharati are later Scythian arrivals who divided India (Hindustan) in the Mahabharat war. It's legacy continues today in Bharat-Pakistan. Bharatis usurped Hindustani identity so Bharatis are akin to Pakistanis in the reverse sense.

Chill.. No one really understands what you have written.
India = Bharat = Hindustan = Aryavrat = (any other historical name)

 

[Maira La]

Just because you chose (twice) to break into smaller and smaller country, does not mean that we have to be apologetic about our size. Still we are only the 7th largest country.

No regret, if half of Bangladesh spoke another language I would still support one more division. Everyone deserves to rule themselves and not be forced married to other ethnicities.

Chill.. No one really understands what you have written.
India = Bharat = Hindustan = Aryavrat = (any other historical name)

India is historical name of Sindh, not of Ganges or Deccan. Just because some Europeans made a mistake don't mean you have to make the mistake permanent. Europeans made a lot of other mistakes with the term Indian, lol.