Do Vietnam have these Ship ?

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Qianlong is not a good emperor, his father left him with a reformed country, vast amount of money, and a strong army.

Qianlong was extravagant, conservative, and not that good at politics. He let HeShen completely destroy the political system where he systematically eliminated opposition and gained political favors and wealth.

Qianlong supported ill conceived wars and buildings of expensive palaces.

He didn't trade with the West and he didn't adopt any new technology.

When he died, he left his son the exact opposite of what his father left him, a depleted treasury, a corrupt and defeated army, a country so corrupt that HeShen was a country all by himself.




What you say is true, confusion is what let to these disputes, but I disagree about how it will be resolved.

I have complete confidence of china's rise, I'm and I'm sure others are willing to wait it out, as we are sure of absolute victory in the end.

Vietnam can do the same, if they feel they can be Japan before we become the US.

Buildings of expensive palaces is not a good complaints, my buddy. In 1839, China failed the small-scale war against British, Emperor should realized the gap, danger and started to reform. At that time, central govt still had strong control of the whole country, they lead the reform, everything is ok. But till 1911 revolution, they always only want to protect the minority and nobility privilege. When China was defeated by Japan in 1894, China govt already lose the initiative. We wasted 55 years from 1839 to 1894.

 

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The Nguyen Warlord from Hue (former of Nguyen Dynasty) has been controlled Islands from 17 th century with Flotta Hoang Sa Truong sa. We didn't have troubles with China in the past

Any occupation with force of Japan in WW II or China after 1956 after Geneva accords 1954 is illegal.
The true owner of this Island is Vietnamese, historically.

I agree with you that the Japanese take over of the islands were illegal.

I have very limited command of Vietnamese history prior to the Vietnam War or WWII, so pardon me for that.

As i said before, the only way for Vietnam and China to maintain peace is to have a co-existant agreement. Administer what each has under their control and to , hopefully, evade in military conflict. That's the only solution i can see sans military conflict.

Buildings of expensive palaces is not a good complaints, my buddy. In 1839, China failed the small-scale war against British, Emperor should realized the gap, danger and started to reform. At that time, central govt still had strong control of the whole country, they lead the reform, everything is ok. But till 1911 revolution, they always only want to protect the minority and nobility privilege. When China was defeated by Japan in 1894, China govt already lose the initiative. We wasted 55 years from 1839 to 1894.

What Qianlong should have done was co-develop with the British in 1794. Not only opening to trade, but defense cooperation. China opens to British Trade, in return, Chinese should have sent its students to Britain to study in British war colleges, study modern sciences, architecture, language etc.

 

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Note that in San Francisco conference about pearce treaty with Japan after WW II, with present of Vietnam PM Tran Van Huu, claim of China about Island is rejected by voting in general discussion.

I agree with you that the Japanese take over of the islands were illegal.

I have very limited command of Vietnamese history prior to the Vietnam War or WWII, so pardon me for that.

As i said before, the only way for Vietnam and China to maintain peace is to have a co-existant agreement. Administer what each has under their control and to , hopefully, evade in military conflict. That's the only solution i can see sans military conflict.

Both two party chef of VCP and CPC agreed that the dispute will be solve base on rule of international law. I hope this talk will be done in reality

 

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Both two part chef of VCP and CPC agreed that the dispute will be solve base on rule of international law. I hope this talk will be done in reality

And I hope it remains peaceful. Best of luck.

Long Live Peace.

 

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History is far more complex than that. H.I.M the great Qianlong , afterall, ruled an empire that composed almost 33% of the world's GDP. Untold gold and silver , a bustling and massive market. And as the sole ruler of such a vast empire, he had to conduct wars in order to secure the Empire's silk roads to the west, send armies to Burma to maintain its defense treaty with Siam, an effort to keep stability in her frontier.

I admire Qianlong the Great. The man had balls.

In 1793 AD, a fateful event in Chinese history took place in the Forbidden City. The great emperor Qianlong reluctantly received the visiting Lord Earl Macartney representing King George III of the then emerging British Empire. Lord Macartney presented a seemingly simple idea: Let us trade. To that, Emperor Qianlong replied, and I quote:

"Our dynasty's majestic virtue has penetrated unto every country under Heaven, and kings of all nations have offered their costly tribute by land and sea. Swaying the wide world, I have but one aim in view, namely, to maintain a perfect governance. Strange objects do not interest me."


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I can keep going, but the thing about history is that views change, now, there's a billion reasons why, but I'm not interested in debating them here, maybe in a history forum, but this is more current affairs.

So why don't we get back t the topic at hand.

Does Vietnam have these ships? What's your opinion. I assume Japan must have them.

Buildings of expensive palaces is not a good complaints, my buddy. In 1839, China failed the small-scale war against British, Emperor should realized the gap, danger and started to reform. At that time, central govt still had strong control of the whole country, they lead the reform, everything is ok. But till 1911 revolution, they always only want to protect the minority and nobility privilege. When China was defeated by Japan in 1894, China govt already lose the initiative. We wasted 55 years from 1839 to 1894.

You see minority as race, I see minority as interest groups. Man people are a special interest group, and they like to remain in power then.

There are special interest groups now, I don't care if they are Han, Man, dog or cat. The fact of the matter is there can only be one interest group in China, and that is Chinese.

We are essentially saying the samething, but I see race as a far less important aspect, something I picked up living almost elusively with white people since middle school to essentially a few years ago.

 

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So why don't we get back t the topic at hand.

Does Vietnam have these ships? What's your opinion. I assume Japan must have them.

You're right, let's get back to the subject, i feel i have gone off topic, lol.

As per the ships, does Vietnam really need it? She needs to prioritize, perhaps acquiring more patrol vessels, replenishment ships is more important than say ships for island genesis. They don't really need it.

 

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Note that in San Francisco conference about pearce treaty with Japan after WW II, with present of Vietnam PM Tran Van Huu, claim of China about Island is rejected by voting in general discussion.



Both two party chef of VCP and CPC agreed that the dispute will be solve base on rule of international law. I hope this talk will be done in reality

Did the San Francisco Conference has any meanings? China was the main battlefield fight against Japanese Nazi troops, but China could not joined in the Peace Treaty with Japan. What is a stupid conference!

I can keep going, but the thing about history is that views change, now, there's a billion reasons why, but I'm not interested in debating them here, maybe in a history forum, but this is more current affairs.

So why don't we get back t the topic at hand.

Does Vietnam have these ships? What's your opinion. I assume Japan must have them.



You see minority as race, I see minority as interest groups. Man people are a special interest group, and they like to remain in power then.

There are special interest groups now, I don't care if they are Han, Man, dog or cat. The fact of the matter is there can only be one interest group in China, and that is Chinese.

We are essentially saying the samething, but I see race as a far less important aspect, something I picked up living almost elusively with white people since middle school to essentially a few years ago.

What are you talking about Han, Man, dog or cat? I didn't mention race. I am talking about history.

 

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Did the San Francisco Conference has any meanings? China was the main battlefield fight against Japanese Nazi troops, but China could not joined in the Peace Treaty with Japan. What is a stupid conference!

KMT and CPC did not played important role in WW II. Soviet Union and USA were winner when they liberated Manchuria from Japan and two nuke of USA in Japan. Japan was surrendered after that.

State of Vietnam, headed by our Emperor Bảo Đại was official delegate on Sans Francisco conference with present of PM Trần Văn Hữu.

This is rule of international laws.

Why today China deny to join with Philippine on Arbitration court ?

 

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KMT and CPC did not played important role in WW II. Soviet Union and USA were winner when they liberated Manchuria from Japan and two nuke of USA in Japan. Japan was surrendered after that.

State of Vietnam, headed by our Emperor Bảo Đại was official delegate on Sans Francisco conference with present of PM Trần Văn Hữu.

This is rule of international laws.

Why today China deny to join with Philippine on Arbitration court ?

You are not talking about history, you just express your complaints.
According to Chinese, American and Japanese history database and professors' research, there were 780,000 to one million Japanese soldiers killed in China battlefield. If this was not an important role, what's it? France, Belgium, Poland surrendered to Germany within half a year, they had no rights to take in the Peace Treaty with Germany, as to your logic.

This was not a serious international law. The conference is not an extent of Cairo Declaration. I guess you have argued dozens of times about the conference. Vietnam ( French Vichy govt ) was actually ally of Japan during WWII, a part of the Axis, if I told you the truth.

 

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You are not talking about history, you just express your complaints.
According to Chinese, American and Japanese history database and professors' research, there were 780,000 to one million Japanese soldiers killed in China battlefield. If this was not an important role, what's it? France, Belgium, Poland surrendered to Germany within half a year, they had no rights to take in the Peace Treaty with Germany, as to your logic.

This was not a serious international law. The conference is not an extent of Cairo Declaration. I guess you have argued dozens of times about the conference. Vietnam ( French Vichy govt ) was actually ally of Japan during WWII, a part of the Axis, if I told you the truth.

nope,

What I said here is history, bro. Neither party of China PRC nor ROC is not invited

Bao Dai Imperor ist existed after coupe of Japan army counter France colonial army in Vietnam in Marcius 1945 and the De Gaule govt of France is recognized a member of anti-nacist Ally and has joined to fighting for liberate Europa.

when Chins is today UNSC member, China have to respect the rules International law.

 

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nope,

What I said here is history, bro. Neither party of China PRC nor ROC is not invited

Bao Dai Imperor ist existed after coupe of Japan army counter France colonial army in Vietnam in Marcius 1945 and the De Gaule govt of France is recognized a member of anti-nacist Ally and has joined to fighting for liberate Europa.

when Chins is today UNSC member, China have to respect the rules International law.

"Neither party of China PRC nor ROC is not invited", what does this sentence mean, it's beyond my language ability.

And Japan didn't fire a shoot to occupy whole Vietnam, because France had surrendered, the Vichy govt welcomed the Japanese in Vietnam. It had been actually a kind of ally.

China always respects the international law.

 

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"Neither party of China PRC nor ROC is not invited", what does this sentence mean, it's beyond my language ability.

And Japan didn't fire a shoot to occupy whole Vietnam, because France had surrendered, the Vichy govt welcomed the Japanese in Vietnam. It had been actually a kind of ally.

China always respects the international law.

wow, sorry I correct it now:

" Neither the Republic of China nor the People's Republic of China were invited to the San Francisco Peace Conference, and neither were parties to the San Francisco Treaty".

is this OK ?

De Gaule govt was recognized by Ally, not Vichy govt, this is traitor govt in WW II, puppet of Hitler.

Do you Chinese considered "Han Jian" who has cooperated with Japanese Imperial army is presented to Chinese people in WW II with Japan ?

 

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wow, sorry I correct it now:

" Neither the Republic of China nor the People's Republic of China were invited to the San Francisco Peace Conference, and neither were parties to the San Francisco Treaty".

is this OK ?

De Gaule govt was recognized by Ally, not Vichy govt, this is traitor govt in WW II, puppet of Hitler.

Do you Chinese considered "Han Jian" who has cooperated with Japanese Imperial army is presented to Chinese people in WW II with Japan ?

You need to learn more about history. China leader attend the Cairo Conference and issued the Declaration. That's the legal govt during WWII.
In the first place, China govt had protested the San Francisco conference, and stated every agreement signed were illegal to China govt.

 

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Rise of nationalism but concurrent together with rise of a country national wealth and technology. In this case, vietnam do not qualify.

China is the only country able to take about nationalism and strengthening of a powerful China. You can see so many vietnamese bragging about their rights and nationalism but forget the pitiful state of their country. Nationalism is useless if your country is useless.

China is the only country riding true nationalism. A country with 10 trillion economy. A military occupying the world top 3 spot.

 

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G3 of Cairo Conference in Nov.1943