Masair she / he / it (sorry for that
@Manama you may be a bot
) has a point, you need to relax and give attention to the point this posters is making. I know Doc very well on this forum, I know almost all of his ids. This poster is not Doc and isn't an indian Hindu ........ Muslim may be but not Hindu.
okay ......... kirah ilaka hay turah? let us see how much fluent you are in Hindko
translate the following para and you will be spared
"Marah garan Thandiani alay pasay ay, utha maray tama bich lok english medium school na julday asay, ik utha middle school asa tay ik high school, maray piyu mara dakhla abtabaday bich ik english medium schoola bich karaya tay may apray garain na phelay jatak asa jira roz abtabad school parhy o julna asa ....... maray pooray garay bich uss waila koi v putloosi na pana asa ......... ma majboori assi schoola astay patloosi panri pehni assi ..... roz may judo rahy bicho langna asa tay raai nay doa passay saray jatuk tay kuria khal kay mara mazak udar nay asay ..... bundi bada bundi bada (you may skip this part for translation) ....... khair bura tay boohn lagna asa par majboori asi bardasht karna payna asa ....... ajj ussi garay nay may ALHAMDOLILAH 50 jatak parhti karay.
haan tuda das chora kithay main rehni aa bas isay di kami ayi. Na g itna kol time ni baqwaas ja paragraph trasnlate karan mubarak ho thandiani vich tera garan vay. Baraf aa enjoy kr, asa bakhsh
Bro I have met Hindko speaking Sikhs from Hindia whose families left Haripur during partition, they still know the language, in all honesty by uttering a few words of Hindko does not make one a Pakistani and i am sure their are techniques where translation are available
lmfao sure
Totally agree except that I would use Messenger and not Prophet.
Oppression of women by us Muslims is a borrowed idea from St. Paul and likes. Islam has treated women equal to men, that is why when it calls Muslim men Sadiqeen ...... at the same spot it calls Muslim women Sadiqat, Momineen for men and Mominat for women at the same place and many other same instances. An order for Muslim men is equally an order for Muslim women, lower your gaze is first ordered to Muslim men and then to Muslim women. And coming to twisted meaning of verse where they say husband is allowed to beat his wife ................. to start with that verse doesn't even mention husband and wife, it is applicable to all men and women of society ....... Well it's a lengthy debate that needs patience and courage to listen to others view so I will leave it at this.
Deen is social order ........... It advises you to use your brain ......... it is there for some reason. Now when you start using your brain, then you will obviously observe your surroundings, you will see and notice whether the society you live in is following Quran in true spirit ====> where men lower their gaze when out in open, and treat all women except their wives as sisters (it is important ...... Islam calls Muslim men and women as brothers and sisters to each other and no man can ever think of sexually assaulting his sister) ........ or the society you live in is not favorable for women, it has elements in abundance that would harm a lonely woman, tease her or God forbid sexually assault her the very first chance that they get. I believe you will agree Pakistani society is hardly Quranic ....... now if you are wise person you will prefer your own safety above everything else including a tight legging or skin hugging jeans. This is where Islam advises you to wear cloaks and cover you chests and don't show your zeenat except to people who no matter what won't be sexually attracted to you.
@Arsalan you asked someone somewhere meaning of "What their right hand possesses" ....... I read in a book that it is a reference to old servants who no more have sexual desire(s). Thought to add it here as it seemed relevant to me.
I don't know about the religion(s) but my Deen is very clear for me ............ if Islam advises you to do something and you think well I am not following it ..... sure your choice, but at the same time Islam also tells you whatever bad that happens to you is because of your own actions .... law of requital. So choose wise.
The fact is, whether you believe it or not, "islam" is an excuse and using it over and over again that "its part of culture, not religion" is why most people hate us because whenever someone does wrong, instead of educating that person people are quick to convince others "no no no not Islam". Believe it or not Pakistan does infact call itself a muslim country so for someone who isn't a Pakistani or muslim sees it for example people throwing acid at women for refusing arranged marriage etc, they are quick to say that oh look so many muslim countries are doing it , Islam must be the problem.
Islam doesn't teach us to oppress women, unfortunately muslims do that. Like Ahmad Deedat used to say "The biggest enemy of Islam, is a muslim who is ignorant". My point since the very beginning was that its not Islam which is the problem. Islam is perfect, the problems are muslims who either don't know islam or try to shove Islam down other people throats.
Again i disagree with the cloak part as neither burqa or face veil is part of Islam, its part of ancient pre-Islamic Arab peninsula culture and customs.
With all due respect, whenever Muslims say that "cover yourself so you will be protected", thats pathetic and disgusting. Sexual attraction is a natural thing, people can get attracted to a completely covered person as well. However, the key point, which many non muslims also raise is that when a woman can walk half naked in the middle of the street in a non muslim/western country and not be afraid or feel insecure or be in danger AND yet a woman completely covered but in jeans is not safe, thats not the women's problem, thats not islam's fault, that is the fault of a man who can't keep his D in his pants.
I want you to understand, when i speak i am not talking from a Pakistani or Muslim perspective alone, i look at all viewpoints. When western people know that clothes aren't consent then why can't these muslims know that as well?
Telling women to cover themselves isn't the solution. If that was the case, burqa wearing women wouldn't get ra-ped and unfortunately the most covered ones are the one to likely get ra-ped in our country as someone who isn't covered showed confidence, and rapists are likely not to approach such person. Burqa wearing women get cat called as well.
I highly disagree with the notion that Islam says a woman should cover herself so she doesn't get assaulted.
To me, as an orthodox muslim, covering has to do with protecting ones own chastity but not from some horny man down the streets, but from satan. As a woman, when she is covered, she is constantly under this expression that she is a muslim and God is the one she serves. Also, because Islam's teaching is perfect, if a covered woman mean't no sexual assault, a covered woman wouldn't get assaulted, which sadly they do.
We need to punish these disgusting excuses of people and set extreme laws against them rather than victim shaming or telling that if you want to be safe cover yourself because thats no different than, "if you dont want to be robbed stay in your rooms"
P,s: its better if you don't use St Paul because thats totally not where oppression came from, new testament is actually really peaceful. Most of the ideas in our society is from early hinduism, except India moved on from it (most of it i think) while we are still deeply submerged into it, and use Islam to justify it.
han kab kahan kesay oye
