DNA Results From Rakhigarhi Are Now Being Reported

[LASER1]

Biggest pile of bollocks I've come across...Rakhagiri is a pre-Harappan site anyway. There's a very good reason why Harappa.com has ignored this joke of a study. Harappan scholars with reputable backgrounds of study haven't even given this crap the light of day.

What particularly makes me laugh is the insinuation that because no Aryan genes have been found in the Ganga population, that Aryans never came to this region. I mean, check the arrogance of these people. Did it ever occur to you Dasyu trash that the Aryans only migrated upto the Indus Valley? They never went beyond that, which explains why Ganga Dasyus have no Aryan genes in them.

Ganga population (North Indians) are basically Dravidians who are confused and desperately want to be called Aryans. The recent study released just a couple of months ago further proved that the Indus populations were isolated and formed independently of the Ganga Dasyus.

And that source given in the first post doesn't even provide any evidence. Where exactly is this study to begin with?

Wow! What a load of bullshit. You didn't even manage to make even one correct statement.

Aryans who? Did you mean Eurasian steppe people?

 

[Indus Priest King]

Wow! What a load of bullshit. You didn't even manage to make even one correct statement.

Aryans who? Did you mean Eurasian steppe people?

Aryans came to the Indus Valley and merged with the local Harappans between 1800 BCE to around 1500 BCE...

The merging of the two communities produced INDO-ARYAN PEOPLE, who followed formed Vedic faith (by merging the historic Indo-European religion with the Indus religion) and spoke Vedic Sanskrit (a variant that was different from the Sanskrit formed in Syria).

Most importantly, they hated you Dasyus.

 

[LASER1]

Aryans came to the Indus Valley and merged with the local Harappans between 1800 BCE to around 1500 BCE...

So, you are saying Aryans never invaded Indus valley?

The merging of the two communities produced INDO-ARYAN PEOPLE, who followed formed Vedic faith (by merging the historic Indo-European religion with the Indus religion) and spoke Vedic Sanskrit (a variant that was different from the Sanskrit formed in Syria).

Few corrections there, the Vedic Sanskrit you are talking never had anything to do with Syria, the language that was spoken at the time was Hurrian. A different class of language. I have read that stupid article a few months back about Syrians being the first people to speak Sanskrit. The only evidence to connect the claim being, the aliases of Mittani kings are similar sounding names in Sanskrit.

Sanskrit as a language had no scriptural format, so the only evidence and text that connects Sanskrit, say Vedic Sanskrit is Rig Veda. The Vedic civilizations formed from merging of communities formed a number of Kingdoms, extending from Afghanistan until Bihar. As of now, it's just region that's confined to India.

Most importantly, they hated you Dasyus.

Dasyu? Lol! A mleccha calling me a Dasyu. I'm a Yajurvedi, by the way, Aryan is not a race dummy. It's a group of people who were vedics. Every other people were considered a mleccha as per Vedas.

 

[Indus Priest King]

So, you are saying Aryans never invaded Indus valley?

Read what I wrote Dasyu. If you're still having reading comprehension problems, maybe this genetic map might help you.

Genetic Map of Pakistan
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/genetic-map-of-pakistan.558317/

Few corrections there, the Vedic Sanskrit you are talking never had anything to do with Syria

Umm
https://scroll.in/article/737715/fa...irst-place-sanskrit-was-recorded-it-was-syria

Sanskrit as a language had no scriptural format, so the only evidence and text that connects Sanskrit, say Vedic Sanskrit is Rig Veda. The Vedic civilizations formed from merging of communities formed a number of Kingdoms, extending from Afghanistan until Bihar. As of now, it's just region that's confined to India.

Vedic territory was specifically the Indus Valley. Have you even read the Vedas? Why does it mention North India as "DASYUVARTA"? Why does Indra regularly destroy DASYUPURAHS? Why did the Vedas mention the Dasyus as untrustworthy? LOL.

Dasyu? Lol! A mleccha calling me a Dasyu. I'm a Yajurvedi, by the way, Aryan is not a race dummy. It's a group of people who were vedics. Every other people were considered a mleccha as per Vedas.

Aryans weren't Vedic you dumbass DASYU.

The Vedic religion was formed during the Vedic civilization, which developed in the Indus Valley following the collapse of the Harappan (Indus Valley) Civilization in around ~1500 BC. During this collapsing period, the Aryan people migrated into the Indus Valley between 1800 BCE to 1500BCE, and along with them came their distinctive religious traditions and practices (Indo-European) which appears to have syncretised (fused) with native Indus (Harappan) beliefs. This essentially gave rise to Vedic civilization (Vedic tribes, Vedic religion and Vedic Sanskrit).

The Indo-Europeans who went to Persia ended up creating Zorastrianism.

This is why Zorastrianism and Vedic faiths share a similar ideology, and why Parsis (pre-Islamic Iranians) and Pakistani ethnic groups all share the same genetic makeup.

You Dasyus have nothing to do with the Vedic faith. You follow Puranic Brahmanism BS.

 

[LASER1]

Umm
https://scroll.in/article/737715/fa...irst-place-sanskrit-was-recorded-it-was-syria

Why making weird sounds? Don't quote some leftist propaganda crap. Read and understand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitanni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrian_language
The only similarities that were seen are nomenclature of certain deities. The linguistic similarities including few loan words from Sanskrit. Given Sanskrit was a scriptless language. While Hurrian had texts.

Vedic territory was specifically the Indus Valley. Have you even read the Vedas? Why does it mention North India as "DASYUVARTA"? Why does Indra regularly destroy DASYUPURAHS? Why did the Vedas mention the Dasyus as untrustworthy? LOL.

Lol! I wouldn't expect a mleccha to understand Veda at all, but can you tell me where is 'Dasyu' is mentioned in any Vedas and they are said to be untrustworthy. Your googling time starts .......NOW........

Aryans weren't Vedic you dumbass DASYU.

Ok, faker, please explain this and tell me where you can find this. No use googling I wrote in English script.

murdhaaha divou naabhiragnihi prdhivyaa pradhaamavayadhi rodasyooho, tham thvaa devasoujanayanta daevam vaiswaanara jyothirda aarya ya.

As per Veda, it means a respectable person, one of a nice background, deities were even called Aarya given they are celestial beings, why would the vedics call them with human names? and the region where Vedas are practiced was called Aryavarta, Rest were considered Mleccha.

The Vedic religion was formed during the Vedic civilization, which developed in the Indus Valley following the collapse of the Harappan (Indus Valley) Civilization in around ~1500 BC.

Wrong, Rig Veda was thought to be composed in 1500BC based on the mention of horses because the earliest archeological evidence found from Horse skeletons and scriptures were 1500 BC. That's one shady correlation.

During this collapsing period, the Aryan people migrated into the Indus Valley between 1800 BCE to 1500BCE, and along with them came their distinctive religious traditions and practices (Indo-European) which appears to have syncretised (fused) with native Indus (Harappan) beliefs. This essentially gave rise to Vedic civilization (Vedic tribes, Vedic religion and Vedic Sanskrit).

That's not completely true, rather sounds like your conclusion. The Vedics had very few commonalities with Indus Valley. Say, the evidence connecting them are yet to be found. Apart from the Pashupatinath seal, which may or maynot be of Shiva.

The Indo-Europeans who went to Persia ended up creating Zorastrianism.

Debatable, the Zoroaster may have been influenced by Rig Veda or maybe not. I haven't read much about Zoroaster.

This is why Zorastrianism and Vedic faiths share a similar ideology, and why Parsis (pre-Islamic Iranians) and Pakistani ethnic groups all share the same genetic makeup.

It is hard to say, including the genetic map. Given constant invasion happened from Alexanders times. The Genetic map of Pakistan shares a similar story.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

So, you are saying Aryans never invaded Indus valley?

The Aryan Invasion theory has been largely discarded now, it was just waves of migrations into the Indus Valley - there has been no archeological evidence of an invasion or conflict. Recent genetic studies have shown that they hardly went beyond the Indus Valley.

 

[UnitedPak]

The Aryan Invasion theory has been largely discarded now, it was just waves of migrations into the Indus Valley - there has been no archeological evidence of an invasion or conflict. Recent genetic studies have shown that they hardly went beyond the Indus Valley.

That's why they are no longer referred to as Aryan invaders but Central Asian steppe pastoralists.

Theories involving invasion, conflict, upheaval are just that, theories. There is near enough no surviving documents or historical accounts from that era in the Indus valley. Only linguistic and genetic evidence remains, which seems to suggest that the people mixed.

 

[LASER1]

The Aryan Invasion theory has been largely discarded now, it was just waves of migrations into the Indus Valley - there has been no archeological evidence of an invasion or conflict. Recent genetic studies have shown that they hardly went beyond the Indus Valley.

I know right. I was just checking on what level he talks and knows. Given distorting history at will is nothing new here.
Also, they went beyond the Indus based on historical accounts. Rather, when river Saraswati dried up creating the Thar desert, they have already moved towards fertile Gangetic planes.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

I know right. I was just checking on what level he talks and knows. Given distorting history at will is nothing new here.
Also, they went beyond the Indus based on historical accounts. Rather, when river Saraswati dried up creating the Thar desert, they have already moved towards fertile Gangetic planes.

The first major mistake is to refer to Dravidian as a race, when it is only accepted by anthropologists as a linguistic family. Strictly speaking, all Indians are Caucasians by skull shape with the exception of Austronesians and Sino-Tibetans. But again, Caucasian does not mean white. Many people are also Caucasian in the horn of Africa(where most South Indians came from btw). Similarly, there is no such race as "aryan," although Indo-Aryan is an accepted term for Indian Sanskrit-derived languages. The correct terms are Ancestral South Indian(ASI) and Ancestral North Indian(ANI). ALL South Asians with the exception of Austronesian and tabetic groups. have some combination of ASI and ANI as well as others such as European, Iranian/Baloch, Mongoloid, Kalash, etc. It is true that most Pakistanis have less ASI than ANI and larger quantities of European and Iranian DNA, but that is simply because their geographic position makes them more likely to be influenced by invasion and migration. Lastly genotypes does not always translate into phenotype, which is why Indians are not as much darker than Pakistanis as some here would like to believe.

One last thing, religions evolve, and Hinduism/Sanatham Dharma/ whatever you want to call it/ is no different. Today the Vedas are to Hinduism what the Old Testament is to Christianity. That is why Pakistani Hindus worship the same gods, read the same texts, and celebrate the same festivals as their Indian counterparts.

 

[LASER1]

The first major mistake is to refer to Dravidian as a race, when it is only accepted by anthropologists as a linguistic family. Strictly speaking, all Indians are Caucasians by skull shape with the exception of Austronesians and Sino-Tibetans. But again, Caucasian does not mean white. Many people are also Caucasian in the horn of Africa(where most South Indians came from btw). Similarly, there is no such race as "aryan," although Indo-Aryan is an accepted term for Indian Sanskrit-derived languages. The correct terms are Ancestral South Indian(ASI) and Ancestral North Indian(ANI). ALL South Asians with the exception of Austronesian and tabetic groups. have some combination of ASI and ANI as well as others such as European, Iranian/Baloch, Mongoloid, Kalash, etc. It is true that most Pakistanis have less ASI than ANI and larger quantities of European and Iranian DNA, but that is simply because their geographic position makes them more likely to be influenced by invasion and migration. Lastly genotypes does not always translate into phenotype, which is why Indians are not as much darker than Pakistanis as some here would like to believe.

I can't really comment on DNA analysis. I'm not an expert in finding the relation between R1A1 or Ra3 etc... I have already explained the myth of 'Aryan' race few replies back.

One last thing, religions evolve, and Hinduism/Sanatham Dharma/ whatever you want to call it/ is no different. Today the Vedas are to Hinduism what the Old Testament is to Christianity. That is why Pakistani Hindus worship the same gods, read the same texts, and celebrate the same festivals as their Indian counterparts.

More than evolution, Dharmic religions have acceptance. Vedas are not a guide, honestly, except for a portion of Adharva veda there nothing much in all the 4 Vedas for non-ritualistic people. That's how the fifth veda (as many consider) or Puranas were written to take examples and that's how people used to worship different gods, because that fits their behavior and try to emulate their life.

Many people have their own belief system associated with Hinduism, so, gods may vary from region.

 

[Indus Priest King]

I know right. I was just checking on what level he talks and knows. Given distorting history at will is nothing new here.
Also, they went beyond the Indus based on historical accounts. Rather, when river Saraswati dried up creating the Thar desert, they have already moved towards fertile Gangetic planes.

LMFAO...no they didn't. Your saraswati BS is a load of crock. Why are you Dasyus so desperate to steal the history of the Indus?

Be proud of your own Dasyu heritage.

Why Holi Is Not Celebrated In Pakistan

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1830385987021377

Many people wrongly assume that North Indian (Gangetic) Hindu traditions, rituals and celebrations are universal to all other Hindu communities in the world. This is actually not true…for example, Holi is not celebrated in southern India, in particular Tamil Nadu – nor is it celebrated in other countries with a significant Hindu population such as Myanmar, Thailand and Indonesia. Similarly, Holi as it is presently defined, was never a big celebration among the Hindu populations of the Indus Valley (Sindh and Punjab) or the early Vedic tribes either. Throwing coloured powder was never part of any Vedic celebration – in fact the term “Holi” is not even found in the Vedas. What we know as Holi today was imported during British rule (1842 to 1947), when Brahmanism experienced a revival and when Gangetic Hindu traditions began spreading throughout the British Raj. Some Hindu communities in Sindh and Punjab decided to adopt Holi during this period, while most continued with there own local traditional celebrations – in Punjab these celebrations are known as Lohri and in Sindh as Lal Loi and Cheti Chand.

~ Vedic vs Puranic Hinduism ~
In order to understand why Holi is not celebrated in Pakistan, you first need to understand the difference between Vedic and Puranic Hinduism. My post “Pakistani Hinduism (Vedic) vs Indian Hinduism (Puranic)” provides a detailed explanation. It clearly points to ethnic, cultural and religious differences and a “clash of civilizations and nations” between the Vedic Indus Valley and the Puranic Ganges Plain/Deccan. As a result, many texts from the respective regions sang praises of war against the other. For example, in Puranic Hinduism, the central Gangetic Mahabharata texts depict the Dravidian god (Krishna) clashing with and defeating the Vedic god (Indra). Vice versa, Vedic texts regularly sung praises of Indra destroying "'Dasya-purahs' or cities in the Ganges plain. This clearly indicates that the Vedic people and culture of the Indus did not accept the Gangetic priests, their gods, shastras, religion, culture, Brahmanical caste ideology or the Puranas. Vice versa, the Puranic Hindus did not accept Vedic culture or beliefs either. For those who not acquainted on this topic, I would suggest reading my post by clicking here > https://www.facebook.com/…/a.780771428649…/1766814536711856/

~ Vedic spring festivals ~
After the Aryans migrated and settled in the Indus Valley beginning in 1800 BC, they merged with the native Indus Harappans. By 1500 BC, this merging had given rise to Indo-Aryan people (Vedic tribes), Indo-Aryan language (Vedic Sanskrit), Indo-Aryan culture and religion (Vedic faith) and Indo-Aryan texts (Vedas). This Vedic Civilization was centered in the Indus Valley and referred to Sindhu (Sindh) and Sapta Sindhu (Punjab) as sacred Vedic land.

The Vedas do not mention Holi at all; however, it does mention a ritual that took place upon or shortly after the winter solstice. The winter solstice is the shortest day of the year and Vedic tribes would set large bonfires while chanting hymns to Sorya and Agni – this was to welcome the spring season and enjoined participants to light the inner fire of spiritual wisdom, values and meditation with a fresh start to a new year. The ritual included chanting several Vedic hymns to:

Sorya – this god was adopted from the Iranian Avestan deity “Hvare-Khshaeta”, which means “Radiant Sun”. Chanting hymns towards the radiant sun was meant to welcome longer days and sun's journey to the northern hemisphere.

Agni – this god is also named Matarisvan in the Vedas, and was adopted from the Iranian Avestan concept of holy fire called “Atar”, sometimes described in abstract terms as "burning and unburning fire" or "visible and invisible fire". Chanting hymns to Agni was considered two folded as the holy fire was meant to purify the soul as well as remove evil. Notice in both cases, the good versus evil (light versus dark) theme is prevalent.

An offering of wheat (or some crop) to the bonfire was also done, presumably done as prayer and thanksgiving for a large harvest at years end. As mentioned many times in my posts, agriculture played a huge role in the Indus Valley and its large crop yields was one of the reasons why the region was very wealthy and sought after by foreign empires. This explains why a ritual such as this would exist and be central to its ideology.

Chanting of hymns was also done for other Vedic gods as well, but to keep this simple I’ve highlighted only the main two. The Vedic spring festivals had several different names depending upon where in the Indus Valley you were. To this day, these celebrations continue in Punjab as Maghi and Lohri and in Sindh as Tirmoori, Lal Loi and Cheti Chand.

~~ Punjab ~~
In Punjab, Lohri (لوہری) is celebrated to commemorate the passing of the winter solstice and is observed on the night before Maghi (مہجی), which is a Punjabi festival dedicated to the Vedic sun god Sorya. During the day, children go from door to door singing folk songs and in return are given sesame seeds, gur (jaggery), peanuts and sugar-candy, which together is known as Lohri. A bonfire is then lit at sunset in the main village square, and people toss sesame seeds, gur (jaggery), peanuts and sugar-candy on the bonfire. Some will sit around it or sing, while others perform a prayer to Sorya and or Agni. This is to show respect to the natural element of fire, a tradition common in winter solstice celebrations around the world. Lohri is also associated with folklore and the story of Abdullah Bhatti, who was born in Pindi Bhattian in the mid 16th century during Mughul rule of Punjab. Bhatti led a class revolt against Mughal rule under Emperor Akbar. His class war took the form of social banditry, taking from the rich and giving to the poor. As per folklore, he rescued girls from abduction, which were being sold into slavery, arranged their marriages and provided their dowries. This made him a legend and is often referred to as the “Robin Hood of Punjab”.

~~ Sindh ~~
In Sindh, Lal Loi (لال لوی) is celebrated to commemorate the passing of the winter solstice and is observed on the night before Tirmoori (ٹرموری), which is a Sindhi festival dedicated to the Vedic sun god Sorya. Lal Loi and Tirmoori are to Sindh what Lohri and Maghi are to Punjab, however, not all Sindhis celebrate Lal Loi, as this is celebrated more in northern Sindh. Sindhis believe that the focus of Lal Loi should be on getting rid of old belongings and cleansing the mind. Kites are also flown on this day. Tirmoori is celebrated as the passing of the winter solstice, which is then followed by Lal Loi. Parents usually send sweets made of sesame seeds to their married daughters during this period.

Cheti Chand (چھٹی چند) is somewhat unrelated, since this occurs well after the winter solstice. However, this festival marks the beginning of the New Year for Sindhi Hindus. The festival date is based on the lunar cycle, with it being celebrated on the first day of the year in the Sindhi month of Chet. It typically falls in late March or early April in the Gregorian calendar. This festival marks the arrival of spring and harvest, but in Sindhi community it also marks the mythical birth of Uderolal in 1007 AD. He reprimanded Mirkhshah, a tyrannical leader of Sindh, and preached that Muslims and Hindus deserve the same religious freedoms. He became the champion of the people in Sindh and among his Sufi Muslim followers is known as Khwaja Khizir (خواجہ خضر).

~ Holi ~
In comparison to Vedic beliefs, the Puranic Hindu beliefs of the Ganges plain directly mentions Holi – such as in the Puranas, Dasakumara Charita, and by the poet Kālidāsa during the 4th century reign of Chandragupta II of the Mauryan Empire. Holi according to Puranic beliefs signifies the victory of good over evil, the arrival of spring, end of winter, and for many a festive day to meet others, play and laugh, forget and forgive, and repair broken relationships. It is also celebrated as a thanksgiving for a good harvest. Holi is celebrated as a festival of colours in the honour of Gangetic Hindu god Vishnu and his follower Prahlada. King Hiranyakashipu, according to a legend found in chapter 7 of Bhagavata Purana, was the king of demonic Asuras, and had earned a boon that gave him five special powers: he could be killed by neither a human being or an animal, neither indoors or outdoors, neither at day or at night, neither by astra (projectile weapons) nor by any shastra (handheld weapons), and neither on land or in water or air. Hiranyakashipu grew arrogant and thought he was a god, and demanded that everyone worship only him. Hiranyakashipu's own son, Prahlada, however, disagreed. He was and remained devoted to Vishnu, which infuriated Hiranyakashipu. He subjected Prahlada to cruel punishments, none of which affected the boy or his resolve to do what he thought was right. Finally, Holika, Prahlada's evil aunt, tricked him into sitting on a pyre with her. Holika was wearing a cloak that made her immune to injury from fire, while Prahlada was not. As the fire roared on the pyre, the cloak flew off Holika and encased Prahlada, who survived while Holika burned. Vishnu then took the form of Narasimha (half human and half lion) and took Hiranyakashyapu at a doorstep (which was neither indoor or outdoor), placed him on his lap (which was neither land, water or air), and then eviscerated and killed the king with his lion claws (which were neither a handheld or projectile weapon). The Holika bonfire and Holi signifies the celebration of the symbolic victory of good over evil, of Prahlada over Hiranyakashipu, and of the fire that burned Holika. On the eve of Holi, typically at or after sunset, the pyre is lit, which symbolizes the victory of good over evil. People gather around the fire to sing and dance. Holi frolic and celebrations begin the morning after the Holika bonfire. There is no tradition of holding puja (prayer), and the day is for partying and pure enjoyment. Children and young people form groups armed with dry colours, coloured solution and water guns, water balloons filled with coloured water, and other creative means to colour their targets. After a day of play with colours, people clean up, wash and bathe, sober up and dress up in the evening and greet friends and relatives by visiting them and exchanging sweets.

~ Conclusion ~
In the end, both Holi and the Vedic spring festivals (Lohri and Lal Loi) are essentially celebrating the end of winter and the beginning of spring. Many spring festivals occur around the world around this time period – and a consistent theme has been repeating itself, whereby the winter signifies darkness and evil, while spring signifies light and peace. Many myths are attached with Lohri and Lal Loi, whereby tyranny (evil and darkness) is defeated by heros (good and light) – the myths of Abdullah Bhatti and Uderolal are such examples.

Holi is not celebrated among communities in Pakistan simply because it was never part of our tradition, even prior to Islam spreading into the Indus Valley.

Some Hindus however celebrate Holi in Pakistan. The tradition likely started during the British Raj between 1842 and 1947, whereby a significantly large number of Hindus migrated to cities like Karachi and Lahore from the Ganges plain. Along with them came the tradition of Holi, which some Hindu communities in Pakistan adopted. Also, North Indian Hindu traditions over the past century have begun dominating Hinduism, and have begun spreading to other Hindu communities beyond the Ganges. This is similar to how Valentines Day has been adopted by many cultures of the world, despite it being originally a day to honour numerous early Christian martyrs.

 

[LASER1]

I have read your full page stupidity, otoh it's a mleccha pov, with a lot of browsing (Mainly wiki) and made up fantasies. I'll answer in detail. So, if you can prove me wrong do that and don't change goal post and run like a kid like you always do. (Still you couldn't disprove me on, Aryans are not Central Asians or steppe people)

LMFAO...no they didn't. Your saraswati BS is a load of crock. Why are you Dasyus so desperate to steal the history of the Indus?

Be proud of your own Dasyu heritage.

Please don't bring your moronic logic into this. The Saraswati is clearly mentioned in Vedas, why would anyone lie about it. If you can base the Kingdoms in the region from Vedas, you can't do the same for Saraswati. LOL

Many people wrongly assume that North Indian (Gangetic) Hindu traditions, rituals and celebrations are universal to all other Hindu communities in the world. This is actually not true…for example, Holi is not celebrated in southern India, in particular Tamil Nadu – nor is it celebrated in other countries with a significant Hindu population such as Myanmar, Thailand and Indonesia. Similarly, Holi as it is presently defined, was never a big celebration among the Hindu populations of the Indus Valley (Sindh and Punjab) or the early Vedic tribes either. Throwing coloured powder was never part of any Vedic celebration – in fact the term “Holi” is not even found in the Vedas. What we know as Holi today was imported during British rule (1842 to 1947), when Brahmanism experienced a revival and when Gangetic Hindu traditions began spreading throughout the British Raj. Some Hindu communities in Sindh and Punjab decided to adopt Holi during this period, while most continued with there own local traditional celebrations – in Punjab these celebrations are known as Lohri and in Sindh as Lal Loi and Cheti Chand.

LMAO... Like I said, a Mleccha would never understand Sanadhana Dharma. The core Idea, 4 Vedas (Part of ritualistic belief), Upanishads (smriti, philosophy), Puranas (Bhagvata, Ramayana etc...), is the same. Rituals may vary with different regions based on the adoption of the vedas, or not depending on vedas altogether like the Tamil Alvar saints.

Now, Holi is a regional festival more like Onam in Kerala, Pongal in Tamil Nadu. Marking the arrival of spring after winter, or harvest festivals. And I know a Mleccha cannot understand Sanskrit but Vedas are not stories.

~ Vedic vs Puranic Hinduism ~ (My retarded logic)

Corrected for you, and get some help sunny.

n order to understand why Holi is not celebrated in Pakistan, you first need to understand the difference between Vedic and Puranic Hinduism. My post “Pakistani Hinduism (Vedic) vs Indian Hinduism (Puranic)” provides a detailed explanation. It clearly points to ethnic, cultural and religious differences and a “clash of civilizations and nations” between the Vedic Indus Valley and the Puranic Ganges Plain/Deccan. As a result, many texts from the respective regions sang praises of war against the other. For example, in Puranic Hinduism, the central Gangetic Mahabharata texts depict the Dravidian god (Krishna) clashing with and defeating the Vedic god (Indra). Vice versa, Vedic texts regularly sung praises of Indra destroying "'Dasya-purahs' or cities in the Ganges plain. This clearly indicates that the Vedic people and culture of the Indus did not accept the Gangetic priests, their gods, shastras, religion, culture, Brahmanical caste ideology or the Puranas. Vice versa, the Puranic Hindus did not accept Vedic culture or beliefs either. For those who not acquainted on this topic, I would suggest reading my post by clicking here >

Dravidian god Krishna vs Gangetic Mahabharata. Man you went full retard. Explain why Krishna is associated with Dravidians at all? Because he is dark? Such a simpleton race prism.

Again, Vedas are not stories, but Hymns part of the ritualistic tradition. Because you know nothing of any history you cook stupid stories to justify your thoughts.
There was never an Indus valley Hinduism nor Gangetic Hinduism. Only Sanadhana Dharma.

his Vedic Civilization was centered in the Indus Valley and referred to Sindhu (Sindh) and Sapta Sindhu (Punjab) as sacred Vedic land.

LOL! In Sapta Sindhu (seven rivers) Saraswati is a river. You are contradicting yourself.

Your saraswati BS is a load of crock.

Vedic civilization was not centered around Indus Valley, it expanded and later abandoned Indus valley due to the geographic proximity with the barbarians. By the time Atharva Veda was composed Vedic civilization has expanded towards Gangetic plains.

The Vedas do not mention Holi at all;

Thank you captain obvious.

however, it does mention a ritual that took place upon or shortly after the winter solstice. The winter solstice is the shortest day of the year and Vedic tribes would set large bonfires while chanting hymns to Sorya and Agni – this was to welcome the spring season and enjoined participants to light the inner fire of spiritual wisdom, values and meditation with a fresh start to a new year. The ritual included chanting several Vedic hymns to:

Who is SORYA there is nobody named Sorya in any Vedas. Also, nope, there are no Vedic hymns that celebrate the arrival of Spring. Neither it was a bonfire. I wouldn't waste my time explaining Vaastu sasthra of yajna to you.

Sorya – this god was adopted from the Iranian Avestan deity “Hvare-Khshaeta”, which means “Radiant Sun”. Chanting hymns towards the radiant sun was meant to welcome longer days and sun's journey to the northern hemisphere.

Oh, so you mean Surya (with a deep U sound). Couldn't even spell it right, it's सूर्य.
I'm not an expert on Zoroastrian faith. Given your interest in distorting history, I wouldn't take any of this to face value.

Agni – this god is also named Matarisvan in the Vedas

Stopped reading from here. Matarisvan is not Agni. During Yajna, the one who churns out Agni is the Matarisvan, in other words, Matarisvan is a man who invokes Agni. Somewhat like Prometheus of greek. Not Agni himself.

In Punjab, Lohri (لوہری) is celebrated to commemorate the passing of the winter solstice and is observed on the night before Maghi (مہجی), which is a Punjabi festival dedicated to the Vedic sun god Sorya. During the day, children go from door to door singing folk songs and in return are given sesame seeds, gur (jaggery), peanuts and sugar-candy, which together is known as Lohri. A bonfire is then lit at sunset in the main village square, and people toss sesame seeds, gur (jaggery), peanuts and sugar-candy on the bonfire. Some will sit around it or sing, while others perform a prayer to Sorya and or Agni.

It's a tradition, nothing to do with yajnas. Probably a lost tradition of Yajna, given your region are deprived of any yajna mentioned in Kalpa sutra, there will not be anything left of energy in deities. Anyway, I don't wanna speculate. If there are any yajna, good for Hindus out there.

In Sindh, Lal Loi (لال لوی) is celebrated to commemorate the passing of the winter solstice and is observed on the night before Tirmoori (ٹرموری), which is a Sindhi festival dedicated to the Vedic sun god Sorya. Lal Loi and Tirmoori are to Sindh what Lohri and Maghi are to Punjab, however, not all Sindhis celebrate Lal Loi, as this is celebrated more in northern Sindh. Sindhis believe that the focus of Lal Loi should be on getting rid of old belongings and cleansing the mind. Kites are also flown on this day. Tirmoori is celebrated as the passing of the winter solstice, which is then followed by Lal Loi. Parents usually send sweets made of sesame seeds to their married daughters during this period.

Cheti Chand (چھٹی چند) is somewhat unrelated, since this occurs well after the winter solstice. However, this festival marks the beginning of the New Year for Sindhi Hindus. The festival date is based on the lunar cycle, with it being celebrated on the first day of the year in the Sindhi month of Chet. It typically falls in late March or early April in the Gregorian calendar. This festival marks the arrival of spring and harvest, but in Sindhi community it also marks the mythical birth of Uderolal in 1007 AD. He reprimanded Mirkhshah, a tyrannical leader of Sindh, and preached that Muslims and Hindus deserve the same religious freedoms. He became the champion of the people in Sindh and among his Sufi Muslim followers is known as Khwaja Khizir (خواجہ خضر).

err. Nothing to do with Vedas either.

All your arguments revolve around few festivals and draw conclusions on Hinduism (Sanadhana Dharma). But let me tell you, the copy-paste Wikipedia comments are of no use if you don't have the abstract idea of Sanadhana Dharma. And all you see are how my people do, how your people do it. So we are different.

The conclusion I draw, is your entire argument is based on some Holi festival, some other festival and how it is different on your side and Indian side. With classic, mine is better and first than you kind of childishness.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I know right. I was just checking on what level he talks and knows. Given distorting history at will is nothing new here.
Also, they went beyond the Indus based on historical accounts. Rather, when river Saraswati dried up creating the Thar desert, they have already moved towards fertile Gangetic planes.

There is no "historical" account of them moving beyond the Indus. Even if they did, it was in tiny numbers as they leave little to no genetic footprint in modern-day India.

 

[LASER1]

There is no "historical" account of them moving beyond the Indus. Even if they did, it was in tiny numbers as they leave little to no genetic footprint in modern-day India.

There are enough Historic accounts for it. Also, I don't know the source of your confusing picture.
But here is the study of a Tamil Brahmin. Mind you Tamil People live in the far south of India.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

There are enough Historic accounts for it. Also, I don't know the source of your confusing picture.
But here is the study of a Tamil Brahmin. Mind you Tamil People live in the far south of India.

Previously I was taking you about 5% seriously, however, even that credibility has been lost now after you snatched a google image and tried to claim that some (unsourced) "study" has linked Tamil Brahmins to Ashkenazi Jews.

First off, even if that is true - this does not at all correlate with the Eurasian steppe migrations into South Asia (though they did not move beyond the Indus) as Ashenknazis came much later. Whichever "Tamil Brahmin" claimed this on some forum was probably the son of a South Indian prostitute who had a quick session with Israeli retirees/tourists who come for cheap Indian ######.

Here are pictures of blue-eyed and blonde haired Aryan Brahmin Tamil master race compared to Ashkenazis.

Ashkenazi Jews