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For clarity, it is important to understand that modern terms such as “frigate” and “corvette” mean little to today’s navies and shipbuilders. For example, in June, Qatar ordered four 3,000-ton ‘corvettes’ from the Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri. These ‘corvettes’ are not only close in displacement to Pakistan’s F-22P Zulfiqar-class “frigates”, but with the MBDA Aster-30 long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) system, they are superior air defence assets. Interestingly, the four corvettes that the Pakistan Navy is in talks for from the Turkish shipbuilder Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. (STM) – i.e. the MILGEM – are identical in capability to the F-22P, though lighter in displacement.
There are scarcely any corvettes under 700 tons. Singapore's Victory class, Bahrein's Al Manama-class and UAE's Murray Jip-class (both all essentially Lurssen designs), Malaysia's Laksamana class and Ecuador's Esmeralda class (both essentially Fincantieri designs), and Sweden's Visby class. These are all over 600 tons and distinguish themselves in armament (including SAMs and ASW capability) and/or helicopter carrying capability. Anything smaller is simply an FPB or a FAC, with primary emphasis on AShMs and gun based self defence (i.e. of an less all-rounder).In this article, ships with displacements of 2,000-tons or more will be described as “frigates”, and warships weighing 300-tons or more will be described as “corvettes.” This is largely arbitrary, but differentiation is being sought to demarcate between assets suitable for wartime SLOC protection and others (e.g. littoral anti-access and area-denial assets). Ultimately, it is a less of a question of a platform being classified “X” or “Y” and more of an issue of its actual capabilities.
I don't know why one would assume that USD 311 million is for ships exclusive the cost of sensors, electronics and weapons, since the cost of an Incheon (FFX1) is USD 232 million.For example, Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) sold two 114.3 metre 2,600-ton frigates to the Philippines Navy for $311 million U.S. Granted, this probably does not include the cost of onboard sensors, electronics and weapons, but with hulls (and propulsion?) costing $155.5 million U.S., there is considerable vertical room for configuration. A fully-outfitted HHI design with Western European or American subsystems should fit in the $300-350 million U.S. range.
I think PN don't liking the ideas of having anymore F-22p which lack adequate air defense. Probably the are looking improved variant of F-22p if miger budget hamper more modern frigate.What happened to the idea of inducting additional F22P frigates? I thought there was an option for 4 more?
That particular problem is easily solve by adopting an off-the-shelf duo- or quadpackable SAM and VLSI think PN don't liking the ideas of having anymore F-22p which lack adequate air defense. Probably the are looking improved variant of F-22p if miger budget hamper more modern frigate.
"GYURZA" = currently being produced and delivered to UA navy@Penguin
61 Kommunards and State Design Bureau of Ukraine advertise quite a few products on their websites.
Is the Ukrainian Ship Building Industry presently capable to deliver those vessels , without any kind of Russian or Western Support ?
Ukroboronprom has the corvette listed on its official product catalogue (page 70 on your PDF reader)."GYURZA" = currently being produced and delivered to UA navy
"MISTRAL-1500T" = Gepard 3.9 mod
Multi purpose corvette "MIRAGE" =interesting
Both these:
I'm not seeing larger surface units being built for UA navy, which lead me to question their ability for larger ships just now.
- will Western equipment be available?
- medium/long continuity risk re. shipyard
This was advertised / said to be building. I don't see/ hear about it now. That is not a good sign.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?105224-Gayduck-Ukraine-corvette-Prject-58250
How/why would this be better than F22P, or a development thereof (C28A)?Ukroboronprom has the corvette listed on its official product catalogue (page 70 on your PDF reader).
Pakistan's Ministry of Defence Production did talk to Ukroboronprom and Ukrainian MoD on the prospect of 'joint ship production.' I wonder if Ukraine can sell the design and let the eventual end-user build the hulls domestically.
http://ukroboronprom.com.ua/design/files/Catalogue_2016_2017_compressed.pdf
It wouldn't be if the F-22P/C28A design were to incorporate enough for 32 VLS MR-SAM.How/why would this be better than F22P, or a development thereof (C28A)?
The image of Gayduck-M p. 132 in said catalogue is much like MISTRAL-1500T"
Gayduck > See project 58250. p 138
58250 only mentions 'sam system middle range', which can mean anything. And what is listed in the catalogue as Gayduck-M (what I think is the same as Mirage 1500 T) has just 8 VL Mica. However, On the 61 Kommunards website Mirage 1500 T has 32 VL Barak-1 (that's rather a large difference).It wouldn't be if the F-22P/C28A design were to incorporate enough for 32 VLS MR-SAM..
It pretty much your minimal package for an all-round ship.Interestingly, a few of the ships that many consider to line up with the PN's needs are hovering on comparable specifications, e.g. 110 m length, 2,500-3,000-ton displacement, 2x4 AShM, 2x3 ASW torpedo launchers, VLS for MR-SAM, 1x main gun, PDMS/CIWS, and helicopter deck + hangar.
I am all in favour of doubling our defence budget, specially for the navy.
With regards to Zimbabwe, they are described as China's all weather friend...go figure !