Discussion of Iranian support for Palestinian resistance groups

[Aspen]

yep, missed it by exactly 1 minute LOL

I'll give it a few more minutes but I'm deleting it soon

 

[Xerxes22]

Whats funny is that Iran and its supporters are not just Kicking arses in the middle east, we are also putting a great show of spirit even here on PDF. Way to go guys. People like Falcon can see we are a fighting breed everywhere.

 

[Aspen]

If you're in, write something

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

@Aspen @Dariush the Great @Arian @Xerxes22

It is times of war and blood can be running high you shouldn't take anything to heart or think there is a collective opinion on you guys. Your rocket assistance has been acknowledged even by the group themselves and nobody is denying that but the thing is some have overposted and it strayed from the main topic but alas now.. You shouldn't get emotional over one posters opinion on some random forum.. Just look the amount of insults one gets for being an arab but we don't get offended by it the least you know why because we understand the hustle

 

[Aspen]

Bye bye suckers, see you on the other side

 

[Arian]

@Aspen @Dariush the Great @Arian @Xerxes22

It is times of war and blood can be running high you shouldn't take anything to heart or think there is a collective opinion on you guys. Your rocket assistance has been acknowledged even by the group themselves and nobody is denying that but the thing is some have overposted and it strayed from the main topic but alas now.. You shouldn't get emotional over one posters opinion on some random forum.. Just look the amount of insults one gets for being an arab but we don't get offended by it the least you know why because we understand the hustle

Thank you. I understand that your intentions are good and you are trying to resolve the issue. I appreciate it.
But the issue is not just restricted to one thread unfortunately. And it has occurred before, long before the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One may expect that when someone sees the support of another country for their country, particularly when everyone has left their country alone to be ethnically cleansed, they would change course, but some people are ungrateful and lack honor.

 

[SalarHaqq]

You're right, brother.
Actually, I used the term discussion because I believe there are people who will participate in the thread to question our support for Palestine. I wanted it to be inclusive and a place for both groups of people instead of simply just demonstrating the evidences of our support for Palestine. This way the topic can get more views and posts in my opinion.

I see, but shouldn't our objective in opening such a thread consist in setting the facts straight for all those who have been misled by anti-Iran propaganda, and introduce them to the facts rather than simply aiming for maximum number of views and posts, and thereby opening up another avenue for them to cement their misconceptions?

 

[Arian]

I see, but shouldn't our objective in opening such a thread consist in setting the facts straight for all those who have been misled by anti-Iran propaganda, and introduce them to the facts rather than simply aiming for maximum number of views and posts, and thereby opening up another avenue for them to cement their misconceptions?

People need to hear both sides to form their opinion. If they feel that the thread is one-sided and we're feeding them what we want, they won't bother to read it. Plus, fortunately the people who deny Iran's supports are so obviously hypocritical and talking out of anti-Iran sentiments that their opinions will only strengthen our case.

 

[El Sidd]

People need to hear both sides to form their opinion. If they feel that the thread is one-sided and we're feeding them what we want, they won't bother to read it. Plus, fortunately the people who deny Iran's supports are so obviously hypocritical and talking out of anti-Iran sentiments that their opinions will only strengthen our case.

You want people to be heard from both sides because you want to label one side as hypocritical?

This is what your post implies.

 

[Arian]

You want people to be heard from both sides because you want to label one side as hypocritical?

This is what your post implies.

You can read their posts and form your opinion. I didn't say that you have to take what I say as a fact. But yes, in my opinion, they are hypocritical because facts show that Iran is the only country that is actively supporting the Palestinian cause with more than just lip service.

 

[925boy]

Sometimes its better to directly confront an enemy rather than using proxies,

if its better to confront directly, why did your own country US use ISIS in syria and iraq as a proxy?? LMAOO

 

[Stryker1982]

Cant confirm this yet but 7 rockets went to North Israel and bomb shelters are opening in the Galilee .

 

[Ich]

Maybe Iran can develop electric discharge weapons, kinda of emp, but not over electric field, instead over direct overvoltage. Maybe like a capacitor which would release millions of volts in less of a second into the electric system of a vehicle or tank if contact to the surface of it.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Since disinformation is still occasionally floating around regarding the massive extent of Islamic Iran's backing for the Palestinian Resistance, and on the reasons why Palestinian officials are praising Iran so often while never issuing similar statements about other states, with some apparently deluded enough to put Iran on the same level as Saudi Arabia, here a quick reminder (please pay attention to every word used here):

Speaking to a large gathering in May 2019, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, could not have been more explicit in acknowledging Iran’s critical role in assisting Hamas.

“If it wasn’t for Iran’s support,” he said, “we would not have had these capabilities.”

...

“It is a huge improvement going from firing one or two rockets at a time to launching 130 rockets in five minutes,” said Rami Abu Zubaydah, a Gaza-based military expert, referring to the frequency of fire seen in the past few days.

“Most weapons are now manufactured in Gaza, using technical expertise from Iran,” he said.

Gaza’s Rockets: A Replenished Arsenal That Vexes Israel (Published 2021)

Despite a blockade, Palestinian militants have used help from Iran, ingenuity, Israeli-fired duds and even plumbing pipes to make thousands of rockets with increased range.

www.nytimes.com

Therefore:

1) In May 2019, the Leader of Hamas in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar (no less!) clearly stated in the most explicit terms imaginable, that Hamas would not have had the capabilities it presently has if it wasn't for Iran's help.

Which is exactly the same as saying that without Iran's assistance, Hamas would have faced a more dire situation now. A perfectly valid statement indeed.

2) The excuse according to which Palestinian Resistance leaders are making these statements for no other reason than Iran supposedly conditioning its aid on such statements in order to improve its image in the wider Arab and Muslim world, is proven wrong here, because Sinwar did not declare this to any of the mass media: he was addressing an exclusively Gazan audience in a local gathering.

3) Even when it comes to the weapons manufactured inside Gaza, the majority of these ("most") are using Iranian technical expertise!

Q.E.D.

Once again, we must applaud Islamic Iran for its unparalleled efforts in assisting and arming the Palestinian Resistance, as well as the immense political courage and determination underlying these efforts. In a principled and selfless manner, Islamic Iran is accepting enormous strategic risks and political and economic costs no other government in the entire Muslim world and beyond is willing to accept, in order to empower the disenfranchised and oppressed Palestinian people in their legitimate Resistance against zionist occupation.

Hopefully, Iranian assistance to Gaza (and why not the West Bank tomorrow as well, if the activation of a second Palestinian front comes to fruition, something Supreme Leader seyyed Khamenei has incessantly been advising and actively working towards) will accumulate to such a degree that at some point in the future, the glorious Palestinian Resistance will not be restricted to simply retaliating when the al-Aqsa Mosque is stormed and wanton murder of Palestinian children committed by the zionist apartheid entity (or comparable escalations carried out by Tel Aviv), but rather strike back each and every day at the ongoing illegal occupation of over 90% of Palestinian lands!

Only with Islamic Iran's contribution will such a development be conceivable in the current geopolitical landscape. Unless of course another major country in the region emulates the Iranian revolutionary experience of 1979 and follows in the footsteps of the great Imam Khomeini to join the Resistance Axis, which we all would of course fervently salute.

 

[Falcon29]

@SalarHaqq

Since you want to exaggerate and do propaganda here too, we will address your exaggerations here once again. Also put your real location flag up and stop using vpn. It's against forum rules.

SalarHaqq said:

Look, when someone comes into a thread dedicated to a naval accident in Iran, and disrespectfully derails it by trying to suggest Iran has been passive against the zionist entity, I will be likely to counter such uncalled for drivel by pointing to Iran's unparalleled backing of the Palestinian Resistance against zionist occupation.

I saw his post, and it had nothing to do with Gaza. You are taking credit for Hamas's achievements and culture to defend the shortcomings of your resistance axis. This is not right. Most of Hamas's armed wing funding does not come from Iran, actually. They are the government in Gaza and tax goods in Gaza, and have other sources of funding. Iran provides some funding and expertise, and delivers certain higher quality weapons, but don't exaggerate that role. Much of the weapons coming from Hamas's own funding and smuggled from elsewhere.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/05/25/hamas-used-weapons-rocket-launchers-smuggled-from-libya/

There was no justification for bringing Iranian policy against Isra"el" into this topic, and then seeking to minimize Iran's efforts in this regard. So either the user who started this will refrain from flamebaiting in the Iranian section, or our response will just have to be accepted.

The user can do what he wants, he brought up Iran's deterrence policy and not Gaza.

Hamas' military capabilities are in large part a result of Iranian arming, Iranian training, and even direct Iranian advisory role during war time, as admitted by Hamas officials themselves. Without Iran, things would look more dire for the Palestinian Resistance. Their leaders are honest enough to publicly recognize it. And they certainly aren't some two-faced hypocrites and idiots who would unnecessarily lie to their people and to the world in exchange for supposedly token material support that they wouldn't really depend on.

Nope, Hamas's military capabilities are in large part as a result of Hamas. Vast majority of training is of their own. They have more combat experience with Israel than anyone else. We don't need your armchair general analysis where in some other universe people with no combat experience against Israel are providing majority of training. And no, Iran plays no advisory role during war. It consults with them and nothing more. Chain of command is led by Hamas's armed wing and the JOR.

Of course you conveniently ignore all of Hamas's officials statements on domestic production of their weapons or their armed wing's own press releases showing how they do this and the credit they give to their own engineers. You also ignore credit they give to foreign experts such as a Tunisian engineer who assisted in their drone program. You are greatly exaggerating Iran's role in Gaza. You are also ignoring Hassan Nasrallah who said Hamas's military capabilities and performance surprised its allies before its enemy. But, you want to ride on bandwagon of their Jerusalem victory. Iran is not responsible for these programs, it helped improve them. You are pathetically trying to discredit work of our own people.

Here is some examples:

Hamas leader: We create rockets from Gush Katif water pipes


Israel Indicts Palestinian Engineer as Hamas Rocket Designer


Hamas rocket engineer killed in Malaysia; family blames Israel

Nobody has such a thing. I repeatedly asked you to show me where I am supposed to have proceeded with any of the above, in vain.

It's true, you are uncomfortable and jealous about Hamas's achievement and trying to take credit for their achievements.

Contrary to actual Palestinian Resistance officials, your tone tends to suggest the different components of the Resistance are are having some sort of a competition. Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Aha, sure buddy, this why you conveniently ignore all of Hamas's official statements on the hard work of their own soldiers and engineers. Even Hamas armed wing documents and shares the work of its engineers, who are not just based in Gaza.

Once again, there is no competition, Hamas is leading pro-active resistance against Israel and nobody else.

I and every other rational, mindful person will prefer to take Palestinian Resistance leaders at their word. And I have never heard a single Palestinian official chastise people for simply mentioning Iran's massive support. In fact, they themselves are doing it all the time. I am merely paraphrasing them.

Iran does not provide no massive support. It is a small fraction of what it provides to Houthi's , Iraqi PMU, and Hezbollah. You are more than welcome to provide hard evidence of this so called massive support. Majority of Hamas's armed wing funding comes from the government of Hamas and other donations. Hamas armed wing is even asking for bitcoin donations from its supporters around the world. That says a lot about your so called 'massive support'. You lie over and over again to take credit of work that isn't yours.

Hamas isn't more active than the rest of the Resistance Axis when taking into account the respective contexts in which these groups operate. As a matter of fact, 90% of Palestine is occupied as we speak. Whereas 99.9% of Lebanon is free from occupation. Even so, Hamas is observing ceasefire with Isra"el" as we speak. Neither rockets, nor bullets are being fired at Isra"el". This is because Hamas will deploy its military means only when Tel Aviv resorts to major provocations, such as storming al-Aqsa mosque and then murdering 20 Palestinian civilians including 9 children.

Once again, Israel has no interest in occupying Lebanon, and Hezbollah markets itself as a pro-active resistance group doing jihad for sake of Palestine, when it doesn't and is not one. Hamas is a pro-active Resistance which initiates action for sake of other Palestinians and doesn't wait for Gaza to be invaded. It is the only active party in the Resistance axis against Israel. The rest are literally only active in Syria and Iraq. No matter how much in denial you are.

Hezbollah, inspired by the venerable path Imam Khomeini trod before them, would break zionist jaws in any similar situation. Half a platoon of zionist troops doing so much as setting foot on Lebanese soil would unleash Hezbollah's wrath. Let alone if 90% of Lebanon were to get occupied and then nine Lebanese children shot dead by zionist forces.

Well it seems like he can't inspire them for jihad for sake of Palestine as they don't initiate any jihad at all, even though they have tons of weapons. If Hamas had weapons of Hezbollah , Israeli's would be living through hell and on their way towards collapse.

These governments themselves aren't exporting arms to the Palestinian Resistance, nor are they training Palestinian fighters, and so on. A look at Hamas' and PIJ's rocket and drone arsenals will demonstrate this. In fact illustrations were posted before in the Gaza war thread which mention the origin of Hamas' imported rocket systems, and they all are either Iranian or Syrian (not talking about the locally produced ones here).

This is not true, there official parties in all these nations that are part of their respective gov'ts that partake in arms smuggling. Especially Libya.

They aren't living in Palestine but in Lebanon, Iraq etc. And I am not seeing zionist occupation troops annexing 90% of Lebanon or Iraq. The day Isra"el" dares to invade Lebanon or Iraq, that day the Lebanese or Iraqi Resistance are going to replicate Hamas' defensive actions, and they'll be doing so on a larger scale even.

So, you are following national defense policy, same as everyone else, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Who also say we have no dog in the fight if they don't attack us. This is not pro-active Resistance. You have no right to criticize Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Especially, Turkey, which is funneling funds to Hamas and it is making its way to Hamas's armed wing.

In fact, these brothers are at an ulterior stage of Resistance: their territories being cleared of zionist presence, they now concentrate on deterring renewed zionist aggression and/or invasion of their lands.

No, they are wrestling for control over the people in those nations, to enrich themselves and Iran. Nothing to do with Zionists.

Besides, the current level of military capacities displayed by the Palestinian Resistance is a consequence of widescale Iranian backing, as happily and gratefully acknowledged by the honorable leaderships of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, PRC and so on. Let's not feel annoyed at their uprightness in this regard. All hail to them.

No, it is a result of Hamas's actions, training, governance and military buildup.

Indeed, the same Hamas whose leaders repeatedly praise Iran and no other nation-state, for its unrivaled military support, even explicitly stating that without Iran's assistance, they wouldn't have been able to achieve these feats.

Once again, you conveniently ignore all their statements about their own feats. No one cares about few political statements they are required to make as Iran's support doesn't come for free. Iran needs a resistance image which it cannot get if Palestinian factions don't make statements crediting them.

I'm certainly not trying to claim that a single person can replace an entire military unit.

Wrong, you were implying that.

1) Apart from transferring the know how to manufacture the rockets locally, Iran has provided drones or drone parts, Iranian-manufactured antitank guided missiles and more. As far as drones are concerned, Iran has played a particularly salient role in enabling the Resistance.

Lol, what is this 'know how' to manufacture homemade rockets? Please explain it to us in detail. It is not true and never was. Hamas has its own engineers for these purposes. Apparently everyone else because the IR regime are dumb and not capable of achieving any sort of independence. Classic case of narcissism here. And no, majority of anti-tank missiles in Gaza are not manufactured in Iran. You are more than welcome to provide proof for this too.

Making actual weapons shipments and turning a blind eye on them isn't the same. But the Sisi regime is known for having taken increased measures to curtail smuggling activities from the Sinai into Gaza.

Turning blind eye to smuggling makes Egypt complicit in arming Hamas, it is indirect support. Don't know why you are downplaying this. It is a policy of the Egyptian military. The black market established in Sinai is done on prerogative of Egyptian military. You are too stupid and never been there to know about this, but I have been there and know who smuggles and brings these weapons into the region. We don't need your armchair general expertise that is all derived from your pro-Iranian fanaticism.

Well, I shall stick with what Palestinian leaders have claimed. I cannot believe for a second that they were twisting the truth for political or other benefits. This wouldn't be the Islamic way either.

Yep, stick with what they say except when it doesn't support your exaggerations.

Iran's entire policy is primarily geared towards resisting zionist and western imperialism in the region. Everything else stems from that overarching goal.

Bullshit, Iran's entire policy is to advance Iranian national interests. It has gone to war with one Western nation or Israel.

The Iranian-backed Resistance groups did not abandoned their Resistance strategy. They didn't change their policies.

Their policy has always been to exploit Palestinian cause to wrestle control over Arab nations.

If 20 peaceful Lebanese protesters, including 9 children, were to get murdered by zionist occupation forces and Ramadan prayers in south Lebanese mosques disturbed by the latter, I would advocate military level retaliation.

Once again, you are proving my point that Iran's allies don't advocate resistance but national defense policies no different than other nation states in the region. Same position as Lebanese army. And I have seen you many times argue against Hezbollah opening a front against Israel. You are against initiating jihad against Israel. You are for maintaining and advancing what you believe is Iranian domination of region. No different than any other nation state with influence in the region.

Now, this discussion is not on topic. The thread is about the sinking of the Iranian Navy vessel Kharg.

Both Gaza and Iran's general policy against Isra"el" are off topic. Therefore I would reiterate my suggestion to return back to the subject of the thread, or to open a different ones to discuss other things.

I guess moderators might be of help here.
This started when user Numerous posted a relatively provocative and largely off-topic comment about Iranian warnings to Isra"el" and the assassination of general Soleimani by Washington. Could users be invited to stay on topic and/or take unrelated discussions elsewhere? Thank you.
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I had to delete rest of your post, as you repeat same stuff over and over again, and rest is marketing for Iranian regime which I'm not interested in. You deliberately spam to deter people from refuting your propaganda. It will not work.

And you are one who derailed thread. And you are using vpn hiding your real location(which is US or Canada), and putting fake location flags. While calling on mods to help you push your lies and exaggerations. This is funny.