Discussion: Illegal crackdown on PTI

[Ssan]

22 Prime Ministers in history of Pakistan, not a single one completed full term. Tell me more about mistakes.

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And btw, you look like a false flag indian troll, Joined March 5, 2022. Shoo, go away!

Nope 100% Pakistani. And a PTI supporter to boot. And IK, himself, has taken the position I have stated. So…

 

[khansaheeb]

Very similar to what happened to Morsi:-

Why Did Ousted Egyptian President Morsi Lose Power? - JSTOR Daily

Mohamed Morsi was elected president in 2012, in Egypt's first free elections. His death has put his brief presidency back in the spotlight.

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Why Did Ousted Egyptian President Morsi Lose Power?​

Mohamed Morsi was elected president in 2012, in Egypt’s first free elections. His death has put his brief presidency back in the spotlight.

Mohamed Morsi in 2013

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By: Eric Schewe

June 27, 2019

3 minutes

Egyptian Ex-President Mohamed Morsi died of a heart attack on June 17, 2019, in a soundless cage in a Cairo courtroom. A leader in the Muslim Brotherhood, Morsi was Egypt’s first democratically elected president. His 2012 election was also the first fairly contested presidential election in Egyptian history. It occurred following the popular revolution in 2011 that compelled the military to depose thirty-year president Hosni Mubarak.
Like most of the other Arab states that saw protests in 2011, Egypt has since undergone a repressive counter-revolution. In July 2013, the military removed Morsi from office and banned the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party. The military also murdered more than 800 protestors in Cairo’s Rabi’a al-Adawiya Square in August of 2013 and imprisoned thousands of activists from different ideological backgrounds.
The success of the counter-revolution and rise of Abdel Fattah al-Sisi to the presidency is typically understood as the victory of the Egyptian “deep state.” Leaders from Egypt’s army, national police, judiciary, and other executive bureaucracies certainly closed ranks against the elected leaders of the Brotherhood. But this fact fails to explain the massive protests in June 2013 against the Brotherhood that were the pretext for al-Sisi’s coup on Morsi.
Researcher Mahmoud Jaraba examines the numerous ways that Morsi and the Brotherhood contributed to their own demise between 2011 and 2013. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in the 1920s as a religious revival social organization targeted at the growing urban middle class. It later evolved and grew into the largest activist movement in Egypt, seeing both periods of relative repression and tolerance. This history made its relationship with Egypt’s secular military-backed governments wary.
When the 2011 revolution broke out, Brotherhood leaders did not initially take a position. They later encouraged their members to participate without invoking the Brotherhood’s Islamist slogans or ideology. But with Mubarak’s ouster and the beginning of a political transition, they sided with the military against secular and leftist protesters in favor of holding parliamentary elections before drafting a new constitution. Employing the strongest mass organization of any party, they succeeded in taking a large plurality of seats in the new legislature and finally, after a two rounds and a legal battle, the presidency in 2012.
Yet while formally assuming these offices of power, Morsi and the Brotherhood still shared effective power with the military and other bodies. Paranoid and with little governing experience, they embarked on a campaign to eliminate their opposition as quickly as possible. But they only succeeded in alienating any potential allies and the public at large.



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Morsi soon revoked an interim constitutional declaration that defined his relationship to the military leadership and forced through a new constitution with little cooperation from other revolutionary parties in December 2012. Although it made no direct move on military or police authority, the Brotherhood sought to impose its will on the judiciary, prosecutor’s office, and cultural and social ministries, sparking outrage in many different areas of Egyptian society. Morsi even decided to cull the older generation of generals in the military leadership, actually placing al-Sisi as chairman. The Brotherhood’s own actions effectively squandered the public legitimacy that was its only support.
After he was removed from office by the military, Morsi spent the following six years facing trials for espionage and other charges in solitary confinement, where he was denied medical attention for diabetes, kidney, and liver disease. With the Brotherhood struggling to remain a relevant political movement, Morsi’s death has drawn only subdued global attention to the suffering of the political opposition in Egypt. In recent years, Egypt’s Western allies have mostly ignored this suffering. Egyptian Television did not acknowledge that he had even been a president.

 

[netarc]

I know emotions are high right now but Bajwa wouldn't gain anything by these stunts that too so close to his retirement.
Name me one state institution which is apolitical? I am of the opinion that this neutrality mantra might have been pushed by Lt. Gen Azhar abbas and like minded generals who by the way is a strong COAS candidate and very close to sharif's. Mark my words IF the next chief is chosen by SS it will be Gen. Azhar abbas.

No, This is real 5th generation warfare

COAS Bajwa invites Bilawal Bhutto to son’s wedding

ISLAMABAD – Chairman Pakistan Peoples Party Bilawal Bhutto Zardari received a telephone call from Chief of the Army Staff Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa on

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Imran khan was there as well so what is the point?

 

[Leonardo]

get off your high horse.
India is a shining example for all your political parties now.
Imran was a resister but now he is also our biggest fan.
Sharif's were always our fans.
Even your establishment loves us now.
Get with the times.

Yes yes shining lynching India. As I said it is none of your business so go and kill helpless muslim which is what you are best at

 

[TechMan]

I never discussed politics at home, rarely watch TV because when I am back in Pakistan, I have lot of other stuff to do. Yesterday my son changed WhatsApp Profile pic of my and his mom's accounts to IK and Behind you skipper banner. When I asked why you did it, he told me that their whole class had plan to do it to support IK. He is in Grade 6. My daughter in Grade 8 also said same, they even wanted to create twitter accounts but I have bared them from FB,Twitter etc.

These duffer property managers still are unable to understand changing reality, in few years these kids will be eligible to vote, do these property managers think that they'll be able to control young generation with censorship and can shove respect for fauj forcefully, do they think that they'll vote for crooks and their partner in crime. How long they'll be able to manipulate elections to favor crooks on whom they have files ready and can manage.

Only if these property managers have focused more on their profession instead of managing East India Company' and their personal interests we would have been at much better place.

This is exactly what these FA pass "jurnails" can't understand. It is beyond their comprehension. Every 5 years, voter turnout for Imran Khan will only increase and not decrease.

 

[Chak Bamu]

@Chak Bamu @Jungibaaz
This is is concerning. These kids are just soft-core social media peddlers. Putting them in jail, a Pakistani jail, torturing them etc will make them hardcore and radicals.

Political workers are often formed in the crucible of state repression. Some do get radicalized. But usually they are not beaten up. Just ask any old member of IJT (Islami Jamiat-e-Tulaba).

Incidentally, just this last Sunday I was in a small town of Punjab to condole a death in distant family. I met a TLP worker who had also come to condole. This guy had been tortured mercilessly - broken arm bone, water torture, nails pulled, & what-not. He was bitter & sad, but still very much committed to his party's cause.

I can not say what would happen to PTI activists but I dearly hope that it is nothing like what I described above. I suppose this would be a check on future discourse that was totally unrestrained until the break with Establishment. Remember the PECA Ordinance that IHC just threw out a 2/3 days ago? That is what PTI had wanted to be applied to others, but mercifully it has escaped its worst by court's decision. Thank God for small mercies is all I can say. I hope you see the severe irony here. Also, why we need to climb down from maximalist positions & be able to disagree without resorting to abuse.

There is a reason why Police is so much feared. Once they get official sanction, they are merciless - case in point would be TLP & TuQ's party (Model Town). Educated middle class has less to do with police issues & often do not understand the scale & scope of abuse that lower middle class & poor people go through.

Kick this bajwa BC from GHQ before this kanjar starts a civil war in Pakistan.

They're treating PTI as mukhti bani

Control your tongue.

This has been happening to most other parties & now that it is happening to PTI, you are talking about Mukti Bahini? You lot make TLP look good.

PTI people are not being disappeared. They will have recourse to courts. If you do not think that is good enough, then you do not know what privilege means.

 

[Musafir117]

FaizYabi khatam time to face reality. Sorry yuthias but a core commander is under COAS mean “ wo jitne bhi badhe ho jaen rehte hain L ke under “ Discipline or………face……
PDF seems hacked by enemies, or change the name @WebMaster

Political workers are often formed in the crucible of state repression. Some do get radicalized. But usually they are not beaten up. Just ask any old member of IJT (Islami Jamiat-e-Tulaba).

Incidentally, just this last Sunday I was in a small town of Punjab to condole a death in distant family. I met a TLP worker who had also come to condole. This guy had been tortured mercilessly - broken arm bone, water torture, nails pulled, & what-not. He was bitter & sad, but still very much committed to his party's cause.

I can not say what would happen to PTI activists but I dearly hope that it is nothing like what I described above. I suppose this would be a check on future discourse that was totally unrestrained until the break with Establishment. Remember the PECA Ordinance that IHC just threw out a 2/3 days ago? That is what PTI had wanted to be applied to others, but mercifully it has escaped its worst by court's decision. Thank God for small mercies is all I can say. I hope you see the severe irony here. Also, why we need to climb down from maximalist positions & be able to disagree without resorting to abuse.

There is a reason why Police is so much feared. Once they get official sanction, they are merciless - case in point would be TLP & TuQ's party (Model Town). Educated middle class has less to do with police issues & often do not understand the scale & scope of abuse that lower middle class & poor people go through.


Control your tongue.

This has been happening to most other parties & now that it is happening to PTI, you are talking about Mukti Bahini? You lot make TLP look good.

PTI people are not being disappeared. They will have recourse to courts. If you do not think that is good enough, then you do not know what privilege means.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1513573925460054029

This man or woman or between that need a software update if PDF admin done or someone else………

 

[Salik]

Script is the same, players are the same and objectives are the same.


Army under current leadership won't hesitate open fire on civilians.

Imran Khan should move to safe place, not for his life but for the country and for his people.


#KaptaanBeSafe

 

[ziaulislam]

Armed terroist

 

[Enigma SIG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1513820720043896837

 

[Musafir117]

Script is the same, players are the same and objectives are the same.


Army under current leadership won't hesitate open fire on civilians.

Imran Khan should move to safe place, not for his life but for the country and for his people.


#KaptaanBeSafe

KPKtan need to answer some questions please don’t let him hide instead advice him to come up and face what he done.

 

[Pindi Boy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1513820777040289796

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You're using a defense forum to push your anti army agenda.

I’m using the platforms I have available to push what I believe is a pro-Pakistan agenda.

The buying and selling of politicians, in league with a US conspiracy to install a corrupt PDM regime after overthrowing an elected government NOT is pro-Pakistan. Allowing this corrupt regime to rig elections by overturning election reforms for EVM’s & overseas Pakistani voting rights is NOT pro-Pakistan.

And if I believe some of the senior Army leadership (not the entire institution or even the entire Army leadership) is involved in this conspiracy that will cause incalculable damage to Pakistan, then I will call them out for it and encourage others to do the same.

 

[Trailer23]

Can one of the Mods please-please get rid of this trolling asshole.

All he does is link Indian articles & tweets or anything against Pakistan. 0% contribution of his own. If that isn't enough, he has a picture of Modi - which itself should be good enough reason to BAN someone for using an explicit image on [PDF].

Without a doubt he one of the low-lives of

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@The Eagle @waz @LeGenD @PakSword

 

[Xestan]

Can anyone tell me why PTI brought PECA ordinance? They planned to outlaw criticism of Military. What happened there?