Difference in outlook between Muslim societies and others

[313ghazi]

Mods - this is and isn't a religious topic at the same time. I am not preaching religion to anyone, but trying to explain a difference in perspective held by people who look at things through a "Muslim prism" rather than other world views. This is relevant to Pakistani social affairs as it also impacts our society.

@padamchen asked @SALMAN F in another topic, why as an Iranian Imam Hussain (RA) matters to him. I don't seek speak on behalf of @SALMAN F but as a Muslim would like an opportunity to explain why Imam Hussain (RA) matters to all Muslims.

@padamchen you mentioned a difference in nationality, a difference in ancestory etc and wanted to know why @SALMAN F could feel linked to Imam Hussain (RA). To understand this you must first understand;

• Muslims believe in 1 almighty God (Allah).
• For a Muslim all loyalty is first to Allah.
  
• This world we live in is a temporary abode, one which is a test for us, an opportunity to please Allah, so that we gain his blessings and mercy and ultimately are rewarded with a permanent abode in Heaven (Jannah).
• Allah loves his creation more than we can understand. Examples are sited that Allah's love for his creation is more than the love of 50 mothers, it is said if you walk towards Allah (figuratively of course), Allah will run towards you.
  
• The sole purpose of the existence of a Muslim is to attain the pleasure of Allah.

This loyalty to Allah is in part demonstrated by us on this earth as loyalty to the teachings of Islam (the Quran and Sunnah), loyalty to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the family of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fathers and sons fought against each other, where 1 was on the side of the Prophet and the other was on the side of injustice. This is not to say that Islam doesn't value family or ancestry. One of the companions of the Prophet was locked up by his family in an effort to prevent him reaching the classes the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would hold. This became public knowledge in the community. One day he escaped and arrived at the class. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) asked him how he got there and he told him he escaped. The Prophet sent him back home as escaping would dishonour his father. In other examples companions were prevented from going to perform Jihad as their elderly parents were reliant upon them.

For Muslims loyalty to Allah, his messenger, his message and the family of the messenger, should be above any loyalty you can have in this world. I have often heard other Indian members on this forum taunt that us Pakistanis will have had non Muslim ancestors converted to Islam. It is suggested as a sign of weakness, yet we interpret it as a blessing of Allah and a sign of his mercy upon them and us, that he bought us onto his path.

In essence, that is why Hussain (RA) matters to all of us.

 

[Quibbler]

Every god is fake. The faster you understand the better. As a rule of thumb the more religious you are the more primitive you are.

 

[313ghazi]

Every god is fake. The faster you understand the better. As a rule of thumb the more religious you are the more primitive you are.

You are free to your falsehood. When you close your eyes from this world the haq will appear in front of you in the next. Don't derail my topic. It is not about your worship of materialism, it is about the difference of perspective between Muslim societies and others.

 

[Zibago]

You are free to your falsehood. When you close your eyes from this world the haq will appear in front of you in the next. Don't derail my topic. It is not about your worship of materialism, it is about the difference of perspective between Muslim societies and others.

Wot ze fok

 

[El Sidd]

Every god is fake. The faster you understand the better. As a rule of thumb the more religious you are the more primitive you are.

Interesting opinion. However latest studies suggest that humans in their later part of life tend to live in a religious manner. Something which even the Hindus have observed and written in their religious texts.

As far as the usage of primitive is concerned. That is your interpretation of the word itself.

BTW

What kind of a weird *** topic is this?

 

[313ghazi]

Interesting opinion. However latest studies suggest that humans in their later part of life tend to live in a religious manner. Something which even the Hindus have observed and written in their religious texts.

As far as the usage of primitive is concerned. That is your interpretation of the word itself.

BTW

What kind of a weird *** topic is this?

It addresses a question asked in sincerity by one of the few decent indian people i've come across on the internet.

Wot ze fok

Whats you're point?

 

[El Sidd]

decent indian people

hokay

 

[Zibago]

Whats you're point?

Society of kufar where ham jins parasti,shirk and dushmanane khatme nabowat are protected do change it before telling others to change

What kind of a weird *** topic is this?

Reminds me of shaitan apko forward karney sey rokey ga isko 1000 logon tak pohnchayein aur sacha musalman honey ka saboot dein whatsapp messages

 

[313ghazi]

Society of kufar where ham jins parasti,shirk and dushmanane khatme nabowat are protected do change it before telling others to change

I live by halal and reject haram every day.

Also tell me where i told anyone to change.

Society of kufar where ham jins parasti,shirk and dushmanane khatme nabowat are protected do change it before telling others to change


Reminds me of shaitan apko forward karney sey rokey ga isko 1000 logon tak pohnchayein aur sacha musalman honey ka saboot dein whatsapp messages

you didn't have to read it, you didn't have to reply to it. It would have probably helped if you bothered to read all of it of course.

Needless to say, my topic does not reflect the thoughts an opinions of all Muslims, or all Muslim societies.

 

[El Sidd]

Reminds me of shaitan apko forward karney sey rokey ga isko 1000 logon tak pohnchayein aur sacha musalman honey ka saboot dein whatsapp messages

even they make more sense man.

 

[313ghazi]

even they make more sense man.

In all seriousness, does what I wrote not make sense? Because if it doesn't, then it's pointless because I was trying to explain something. Otherwise, if you disagree with my perspective, just say that instead.

 

[El Sidd]

In all seriousness, does what I wrote not make sense? Because if it doesn't, then it's pointless because I was trying to explain something. Otherwise, if you disagree with my perspective, just say that instead.

oh please continue. i was just sharing a joke with Zibago.

I hope you find your answers.

 

[cocomo]

Every god is fake. The faster you understand the better. As a rule of thumb the more religious you are the more primitive you are.

If you don't want to beleive in your cow god doesn't mean you should project your insecurities onto other religions.

 

[Pak_88]

Every god is fake. The faster you understand the better. As a rule of thumb the more religious you are the more primitive you are.

To you, your god (or lack thereof), and to me, mine.
I won't preach much, seeing as I'm no angel, but I will say this: let others believe whatever they want to. Primitiveness is not measured by religious zest. Primitiveness stems from a retrogressive interpretation of religion, I would argue.

To each his own.

 

[padamchen]

Mods - this is and isn't a religious topic at the same time. I am not preaching religion to anyone, but trying to explain a difference in perspective held by people who look at things through a "Muslim prism" rather than other world views. This is relevant to Pakistani social affairs as it also impacts our society.

@padamchen asked @SALMAN F in another topic, why as an Iranian Imam Hussain (RA) matters to him. I don't seek speak on behalf of @SALMAN F but as a Muslim would like an opportunity to explain why Imam Hussain (RA) matters to all Muslims.

@padamchen you mentioned a difference in nationality, a difference in ancestory etc and wanted to know why @SALMAN F could feel linked to Imam Hussain (RA). To understand this you must first understand;

• Muslims believe in 1 almighty God (Allah).
• For a Muslim all loyalty is first to Allah.
  
• This world we live in is a temporary abode, one which is a test for us, an opportunity to please Allah, so that we gain his blessings and mercy and ultimately are rewarded with a permanent abode in Heaven (Jannah).
• Allah loves his creation more than we can understand. Examples are sited that Allah's love for his creation is more than the love of 50 mothers, it is said if you walk towards Allah (figuratively of course), Allah will run towards you.
  
• The sole purpose of the existence of a Muslim is to attain the pleasure of Allah.

This loyalty to Allah is in part demonstrated by us on this earth as loyalty to the teachings of Islam (the Quran and Sunnah), loyalty to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the family of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fathers and sons fought against each other, where 1 was on the side of the Prophet and the other was on the side of injustice. This is not to say that Islam doesn't value family or ancestry. One of the companions of the Prophet was locked up by his family in an effort to prevent him reaching the classes the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would hold. This became public knowledge in the community. One day he escaped and arrived at the class. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) asked him how he got there and he told him he escaped. The Prophet sent him back home as escaping would dishonour his father. In other examples companions were prevented from going to perform Jihad as their elderly parents were reliant upon them.

For Muslims loyalty to Allah, his messenger, his message and the family of the messenger, should be above any loyalty you can have in this world. I have often heard other Indian members on this forum taunt that us Pakistanis will have had non Muslim ancestors converted to Islam. It is suggested as a sign of weakness, yet we interpret it as a blessing of Allah and a sign of his mercy upon them and us, that he bought us onto his path.

In essence, that is why Hussain (RA) matters to all of us.

Thanks Ghazi. It was a pity that thread got immediately locked the moment a non Muslim entered.

It wasn't Salman I addressed but the Turk sounding Iranian. Ziggaret something.

As a Zoroastrian who continues to practice his ancient faith, which the Iranians gave up when they bowed to the Arab tyranny and accepted Islam, and also knowing what the Iranians continue to think of the Arabs, this unique Stockholm syndrome on hyper steroids has a very direct connect to my bloodlines and my ancient motherland. My heritage. My birthright.

Hence my direct question to him as an Iranian.

Was Hussain a Persian or of Persian bloodlines? Half Persian? Then why the special love only for him? It's just something I want to know coz I have many Shia friends (some Iranian). And I know the stories and have walked with them in their matam.

Hope that explains.

I can understand how a thousand years has made Zoroastrian heritage meaningless for them. The Farohar is a fancy locket on a chain. Persepolis are ruins they feel nice in preventing the Mulla's from destroying.

But what really do they remmreme about being truly Persian. The superpower of the ancient world. The oldest and proudest of civilizations?

I wonder.

Cheers, Doc