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The new trainsets that are under construction are much better for India. The tracks are also getting improved for speed. Maybe by the end of this decade, trains will be completely overhauled :cheers:

Well unfortunately, most of the "improved" trainsets in India will only be a "showcase scenario", which Modi and the BJP wants for propaganda purposes (akin to Chandrayan/Mangalayan Moon and Mars Missions). Vande Bharat was certainly in this category. And ditto with RRTS.

The majority of Indian trains will be slow and unreliable as always.

The new Delhi-Meerut RRTS "high speed" train is only comparable to the TGV from the early 2000's and does not compare to the Chinese fast bullet trains. To say nothing about Station facilities, cleanliness etc.

China's infra is in another league.

RRTS is just limited to that one Delhi-Meerut corridor. Indian govt. will spend no more money for this vote propaganda than necessary.

And what happened to the bullet train project the Japanese were helping with?

Last I heard, even building line infra had slowed to a trickle.

 
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nope because we can't turn a profit on it and unlike China, the US government will not subsidize it, unless someone makes a case linking HSR to national security like the CHIPS Act.
Oh. This is great. Americans don't build railroads. only make act. Such a smart government! applause!
 
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Wrong.

The new line was being funded by the Shandong provincial government and had a total planned investment of 58.5 billion yuan.

You see clearly. Shandong provincial govt provided loans to China Railway Group (a state-owned enterprise under the Ministry of Railways). This is still the debt of the Ministry of railways.
 
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Oh. This is great. Americans don't build railroads. only make act. Such a smart government! applause!

I also find it incredible. The United States has such high taxes, but the US govt is unwilling to subsidize public transport. Where does the US govt's revenue go?
 
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I also find it incredible. The United States has such high taxes, but the US govt is unwilling to subsidize public transport. Where does the US govt's revenue go?
well known. all US taxes subsidize the chip act. Applause!

So in addition to lying and cheating and stealing, Murican can also act or make acts as well?

:D :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

:omghaha:
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It may also include the "make act". Real "made in America".

@dbc you are the best! All applause for you! :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::usflag:
 
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The thumbnail pic and footage is from Bangladesh, our majority of rail lines are electrified and hence no one can travel on rooftop.

Also these gora vloggers should stfu

Reported to the mods for abuse. No passenger coaches in Bangladesh are painted blue. Probably a non-electrified branchline in BIMARU states.
 
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well known. all US taxes subsidize the chip act. Applause!


It may also include the "make act". Real "made in America".

@dbc you are the best! All applause for you! :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::usflag:
In 2021, the US govt's fiscal revenue was US $7.3 trillion. The fiscal revenue of the Chinese govt is 3.1 trillion US dollars. We can see from here how high taxes are in the USA.

Of course, let us not talk about taxation first. The Chinese govt can provide so many kinds of subsidies with only $3.1 trillion, while the US govt even needs to make money on public transport.

Where has the income of the US government gone?
 
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Well unfortunately, most of the "improved" trainsets in India will only be a "showcase scenario", which Modi and the BJP wants for propaganda purposes (akin to Chandrayan/Mangalayan Moon and Mars Missions). Vande Bharat was certainly in this category. And ditto with RRTS.

The majority of Indian trains will be slow and unreliable as always.

The new Delhi-Meerut RRTS "high speed" train is only comparable to the TGV from the early 2000's and does not compare to the Chinese fast bullet trains. To say nothing about Station facilities, cleanliness etc.

China's infra is in another league.

RRTS is just limited to that one Delhi-Meerut corridor. Indian govt. will spend no more money for this vote propaganda than necessary.

And what happened to the bullet train project the Japanese were helping with?

Last I heard, even building line infra had slowed to a trickle.

India's new trainsets are categorized as semi high speed that can run existing lines with some improvements. They are already in use and more of them are being built. Eventually, they may be sold to Bangladesh :D

China's infrastructure is better. So what?! You are just trolling with no purpose. I wonder where your time and motivation comes from :laugh:
 
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In 2021, the US govt's fiscal revenue was US $7.3 trillion. The fiscal revenue of the Chinese govt is 3.1 trillion US dollars. We can see from here how high taxes are in the USA.

Of course, let us not talk about taxation first. The Chinese govt can provide so many kinds of subsidies with only $3.1 trillion, while the US govt even needs to make money on public transport.

Where has the income of the US government gone?
@dbc Shocking! US taxes are as high as $7 trillion! ! Even higher than Japan's GDP! So, where did the US tax go?
 
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it's true but, our railways are horrible.. stations stink of pee, the cars are not the cleanest, horrible toilets where your pee/poop goes on the tracks, yuck.

Last I went on a train was early 2000s.. some say things have improved, doubt it.

If you're not feeling too fussy but, there is a lot of charm there in the old world ways of the Indian Railways. Some of the scenery (like on the Konkan track) is absolutely breathtaking, and overall fun if you book 1st class or in a better cabin.

The main problem is that Railways in all subcontinent countries are horribly corrupt and govts. in these countries (even India) largely neglect this sector while only paying minor tribute and lip service. If they poured money in this sector to improve cleanliness. track reliability and punctuality across the board (not just speed for a handful of trains which is a propaganda thing) then all riders (especially middle and lower middle class) would benefit.

Reduction of accidents would be a massive help. The way to reduce accidents is track inspection, daily. The Japanese do it for all sections of their Shinkansen routes, ditto with China and Korea, to see whether fishplates and track alignment are laser perfect. I doubt whether this happens in India.

If speeds are increased without intensifying track maintenance, then accidents will go up in number. This is inevitable. Only factor helping is the wide gauge in India but you need to add super heavy rail in the mainlines for improved speeds.

But govts. don't care, other than gaining vote support.

One has to admit that in less than two decades, China improved their train transport to (some would say) better than Japanese and Korean standards. We should in the subcontinent take a page from that effort and try to implement that. And not just for a handful of trains that are showcase queens and propaganda props.

India's new trainsets are categorized as semi high speed that can run existing lines with some improvements. They are already in use and more of them are being built. Eventually, they may be sold to Bangladesh :D

China's infrastructure is better. So what?! You are just trolling with no purpose. I wonder where your time and motivation comes from :laugh:

The difference between China and India rail-infra is night and day. No denying this.

Typical desi response, blame the messenger for "trolling".

Look at the message, the vlogger is not a Bangladesh guy. Nothing he says is false.

I have been on the Rajdhani express first class AC, and I have also had the pleasure of riding the Beijing to Shanghai Bullet train in China, there is no comparison. I am sorry. It is what it is.

One cannot put blinders on and pretend all is hunky-dory with Indian Railways. It is NOT. There is MASSIVE room for improvements. Indian govt. right now does not spend enough money despite the railways being the number one transport medium for the poor and underprivileged.

If India makes as good a railway product as US, Korea (for locomotives) Indonesia and China (for coaches and freight cars) at a competitive price - why will Bangladesh not buy? Right now however that remains to be seen.

In the last decade - Bangladesh invested massively in the rail sector and products from those countries were bought, not from India. But we are not discussing Bangladesh here, let's not derail the discussion.
 
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@dbc Shocking! US taxes are as high as $7 trillion! ! Even higher than Japan's GDP! So, where did the US tax go?
In 2021, the fiscal revenue of the Chinese govt was 20253.9 billion CNY (US $3.1 trillion). Among them, 17273.1 billion CNY (US $2.6 trillion) came from taxes, and 2980.8 billion CNY (US $0.5 trillion) came from dividends of state-owned enterprises.

In 2021, China's GDP of US $17.6 trillion contributed US $2.6 trillion in tax revenue. USA $23 trillion GDP contributed US $7.3 trillion in taxes (the US govt has no income from state-owned enterprises).

Americans pay such high taxes, but the US govt is not even willing to subsidize public transport.

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You see clearly. Shandong provincial govt provided loans to China Railway Group (a state-owned enterprise under the Ministry of Railways). This is still the debt of the Ministry of railways.

Wrong again, it's an equity financing model. The province establish investment companies such as Hangzhou-Shaoxing-Taizhou HSR company and finance 50% with loans, 50% equity.


The central government is represented by CRC, whereas many provinces have established railway investment companies to hold their ownership interests. The overall financial structure is typically 50 percent equity and 50 percent debt.
 
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Wrong again, it's an equity financing model. The province establish investment companies such as Hangzhou-Shaoxing-Taizhou HSR company and finance 50% with loans, 50% equity.


The central government is represented by CRC, whereas many provinces have established railway investment companies to hold their ownership interests. The overall financial structure is typically 50 percent equity and 50 percent debt.
To make new laws. You are the best.
 
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