Did Trump Scare Iran: Tehran Reportedly Pulls Missile From Launchpad Following Launch Prep

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Has nothing to do with trump !!!

 

[AmirPatriot]

Actually, the nuclear weapons issue is pretty much the exception.

Even to this day with all the computing power we have at our disposal, the surest way to convince ourselves that an indigenous nuclear weapons program is successful is to have a real test detonation.

India's first nuclear test was in 1974. Pakistan's first was in 1998. Both nuclear weapons programs were done in secrecy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design

The nuclear warhead designs, plural, have been so well established that if you follow the instructions precisely, the world will take the safe path and assume that you are a nuclear weapons state even without the benefit of a test detonation.

That is why the world begins to get suspicious even if you are capable of uranium enrichment beyond a certain threshold.

Iraq's WMD program. Not a single test detonation. And yet...

https://www.amazon.com/Bomb-My-Garden-Secrets-Mastermind/dp/0471741272

...For Mahdi Obeidi, Saddam Hussein's chief nuclear weapons scientist, he considered the centrifuge to be the beginning of the bomb. Hence, the title of his memoir. Saddam ordered Obeidi to hide a pair of centrifuges in his home garden, and Obeidi did buried a pair.

Iran tried for years to get it's hands on low enriched uranium for the Bushehr power plant (which was under construction). So we get fed up and try to make our own, at which point everyone goes why do you need centrifuges when you could buy LEU from us -_- we want energy security dammit.
Non-nuclear weapon Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Japan, even f*cking Netherlands enrich uranium, but we shouldn't? Bollocks, I say...
http://www.wise-uranium.org/efac.html

 

[Fafnir]

IAEA report says Iran has received the designs information from Pakistani scientist in early 1990.
actually there is a complete timeline in section E. Area Assessments of the report, if you would read it.



where in the resolution says specific capability? or actual capability? answer: nowhere
and that's it. ambiguous phrase implanted by Zarif/Kerry, so that each one would justify himself. and result is that sanctions will return (increase actually, cause they never lifted in the first place).

by your logic, after our next SLV launch, Americans will have no excuse to complain or impose more sanctions. I'm looking forward to it.

Personally I`d take almost anything from the iaea with regards to iran with a very large grain of salt at least [and then some] especially if they are trying to seriously claim that iran was modifying a missile that it had only just received test samples of and had not even set up a production line for yet to carry a nuclear weapon even tho irans two routes to the bomb were still years away from being realized,wow! iran really does think ahead or.....the iaea is just plain wrong...again,in addition the pakistanis didnt receive the gauri aka nodong/shahab until well into the 90s and didnt test it until 98 so I very much doubt that pakistan was giving iran missile warhead designs for its medium range missiles back in 1990.In fact when I looked at the iaea section e area assessments specifically the "integration into a delivery vehicle" the source for the information[such as it was] was nothing more than the us supplied "alleged studies documentation"...so make of that what you will,for me it doesnt prove a damn thing quite the opposite in fact.
The resolution said "missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons".
As for the sanctions the us is of course free to do what it likes and sanction who it pleases but there is no case for un sanctions because iran has not violated any un resolutions[this has been the us position that these launches are a violation] and its unlikely anyone will follow the us lead.

 

[mohsen]

Personally I`d take almost anything from the iaea with regards to iran with a very large grain of salt at least [and then some] especially if they are trying to seriously claim that iran was modifying a missile that it had only just received test samples of and had not even set up a production line for yet to carry a nuclear weapon even tho irans two routes to the bomb were still years away from being realized,wow! iran really does think ahead or.....the iaea is just plain wrong...again,in addition the pakistanis didnt receive the gauri aka nodong/shahab until well into the 90s and didnt test it until 98 so I very much doubt that pakistan was giving iran missile warhead designs for its medium range missiles back in 1990.In fact when I looked at the iaea section e area assessments specifically the "integration into a delivery vehicle" the source for the information[such as it was] was nothing more than the us supplied "alleged studies documentation"...so make of that what you will,for me it doesnt prove a damn thing quite the opposite in fact.
The resolution said "missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons".
As for the sanctions the us is of course free to do what it likes and sanction who it pleases but there is no case for un sanctions because iran has not violated any un resolutions[this has been the us position that these launches are a violation] and its unlikely anyone will follow the us lead.

don't get me wrong, I never believed U.S allegations that Iran has persuaded nuclear weapon.
I'm just talking about the legitimacy of our missile launches and reimposing of sanctions in the framework of the international documents and agreements. it doesn't matter what me or you believe, the important thing is whether Americans have legal excuses for reimposing of sanctions; and I believe they have it.

 

[gambit]

That might be true of the suspicions of an actual weapons program,...

The problem is that a civilian nuclear program can morph into a military nuclear WEAPONS program without anyone knowing that such a transition took place.

This is why Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNTP) members agreed to have their civilian nuclear programs under strict international supervision. Even so, if there is a will, a country will find a way to keep a nuclear weapons program clandestine in spite of regular inspections. Like it or not, Iran's reputation and image on the international stage does not impute an impression of innocence.

All Iran has to do is copy the proven methodologies of creating a nuclear warhead up to the point of an actual test detonation and keep it secret. Tel Aviv can be that test detonation. If it fail ? Too bad and back to the drawing boards. If it went 'Boom', the Jews are without a capital, grievously wounded, and Allah rejoices.

This could happen to Washington D.C. Or London. Or Paris. Am sure you get the picture.

 

[Arminkh]

The problem is that a civilian nuclear program can morph into a military nuclear WEAPONS program without anyone knowing that such a transition took place.

This is why Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNTP) members agreed to have their civilian nuclear programs under strict international supervision. Even so, if there is a will, a country will find a way to keep a nuclear weapons program clandestine in spite of regular inspections. Like it or not, Iran's reputation and image on the international stage does not impute an impression of innocence.

All Iran has to do is copy the proven methodologies of creating a nuclear warhead up to the point of an actual test detonation and keep it secret. Tel Aviv can be that test detonation. If it fail ? Too bad and back to the drawing boards. If it went 'Boom', the Jews are without a capital, grievously wounded, and Allah rejoices.

This could happen to Washington D.C. Or London. Or Paris. Am sure you get the picture.

The problem with all you mentioned above is thinking that Iranians are suicidal and illogical people. The same thing that kept US from using Moscow as a nuclear test bed or Soviet using New York as one will prevent Iran from doing the same and that is mutual destruction.

However what you just said is exactly what Iran has problem with: West says since I don't trust you (for whatever reason) then the international standards do not apply to you and you need to conform to much higher ones and even then, we are still not satisfied.

 

[AmirPatriot]

The problem with all you mentioned above is thinking that Iranians are suicidal and illogical people. The same thing that kept US from using Moscow as a nuclear test bed or Soviet using New York as one will prevent Iran from doing the same and that is mutual destruction.

However what you just said is exactly what Iran has problem with: West says since I don't trust you (for whatever reason) then the international standards do not apply to you and you need to conform to much higher ones and even then, we are still not satisfied.

The "international" standards in question are easily rigged and manipulated by the west to suit their objectives. That's why they are so utterly worthless. As you said, when we conform to them, they set the bar higher.

We conform to the NPT. They are not satisfied. We conform to the Additional Protocol. They are not satisfied. We conform to the JCPOA, they're STILL not satisfied.

And they (the west) ask why we don't cooperate with them. They won't let us, that's bloody why! They don't want cooperation, they want a diktat!

 

[gambit]

The problem with all you mentioned above is thinking that Iranians are suicidal and illogical people.

Suicide bombers are few among the many Muslims. And yet the damages they do are terrible.

I am not a religious man. I have seen, more than I care to see, what religionists are willing to do, and have done, in the name of their gods.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Suicide bombers are few among the many Muslims. And yet the damages they do are terrible.

I am not a religious man. I have seen, more than I care to see, what religionists are willing to do, and have done, in the name of their gods.

religionists

Whatever. Your typical inflated ego makes you look down upon people thinking they are suicidal or stupid just because they are from a different country or religious background than you.

 

[raptor22]

The problem is that a civilian nuclear program can morph into a military nuclear WEAPONS program without anyone knowing that such a transition took place.

This is why Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNTP) members agreed to have their civilian nuclear programs under strict international supervision. Even so, if there is a will, a country will find a way to keep a nuclear weapons program clandestine in spite of regular inspections. Like it or not, Iran's reputation and image on the international stage does not impute an impression of innocence.

All Iran has to do is copy the proven methodologies of creating a nuclear warhead up to the point of an actual test detonation and keep it secret. Tel Aviv can be that test detonation. If it fail ? Too bad and back to the drawing boards. If it went 'Boom', the Jews are without a capital, grievously wounded, and Allah rejoices.

This could happen to Washington D.C. Or London. Or Paris. Am sure you get the picture.

Why you don't set an example by disarming your nuclear weapons?And people have already got the picture by the photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ...

 

[gambit]

Why you don't set an example by disarming your nuclear weapons?And people have already got the picture by the photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ...

You did not know that the US and Russia have been slowly disarming our respective nuclear weapons stocks since the collapse of the Soviet Union ? And people say Americans are ignorant...

But there is a greater goal here. Disarmament by one or some does not mean others should build up theirs. When I was stationed at RAF Upper Heyford, I was on rotating Victor Alert duty.

http://www.acc.af.mil/News/Features...-years-past-20th-fw-role-in-victor-alert.aspx

VA status is when a bunch of jets are loaded with nukes, readied to take off in less than one hr, and often time must be less than 15 minutes.

You brought on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That is the closest you will ever come to being with a nuke. You are separated by physical distance and time. On the other hand, I, and many other Americans in the US military, were, and still are, separated by only one event -- that of a nuclear detonation. It is one thing to look at the before and after photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is quite another to have actually touched the thing that could produce such devastation.

Some of us are nonchalance about being around nuclear weapons. Probably some were just putting on tough faces. But you are talking to one person -- ME -- who was and still is thoughtful about the thing and its effects on humanity.

YOU are careless about nuclear weapons. I am not.

 

[somebozo]

Iran tried for years to get it's hands on low enriched uranium for the Bushehr power plant (which was under construction). So we get fed up and try to make our own, at which point everyone goes why do you need centrifuges when you could buy LEU from us -_- we want energy security dammit.
Non-nuclear weapon Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Japan, even f*cking Netherlands enrich uranium, but we shouldn't? Bollocks, I say...
http://www.wise-uranium.org/efac.html

The reason why area able to do it and Iran should do it is because those countries have no stated goals to export a violent revolution..Iran getting nukes is very dangerous should the mullahs decide to use nuclear cover for unleashing a wave of hostile revolutions...!

 

[gambit]

religionists

Whatever. Your typical inflated ego makes you look down upon people thinking they are suicidal or stupid just because they are from a different country or religious background than you.

I do not 'look down' on anyone, even religionists.

But why is it easy to believe that there are fanatical doomsday type of Christians but not of Muslims ?

 

[AmirPatriot]

The reason why area able to do it and Iran should do it is because those countries have no stated goals to export a violent revolution..Iran getting nukes is very dangerous should the mullahs decide to use nuclear cover for unleashing a wave of hostile revolutions...!

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me here? Your post is not very clear.

As for using nukes to "cover a hostile/violent revolution", that is purely based on your opinion of said revolutions. That said, you are still talking about nuclear weapons here, while I am talking about using enrichment in a civilian nuclear program.

I do not 'look down' on anyone, even religionists.

Riiiiight.

But why is it easy to believe that there are fanatical doomsday type of Christians but not of Muslims ?

It isn't. All demographics have crazies. But what isn't easy to believe is that those particular crazies are in charge of a country.

It is easy and reasonable to disagree with the policies of a country, but discrediting with baseless accusations of insanity is not. Hell, I don't even think Trump is insane, though I do find him vile.

 

[gambit]

It isn't. All demographics have crazies. But what isn't easy to believe is that those particular crazies are in charge of a country.

All we -- meaning the world -- have to to do is look at the current social environments of both US and Iran, and make comparisons as to which country have the most religious influences and to which degrees.