Did the Turks fathered the greeks? or is that a myth

[fitpOsitive]

Humans were moving freely here and there before world wars. So sure, I might be a distant relative of Boris, living in Brazil nowadays.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have so many qoutes to reply to not sure where to begin.. But don't worry I will addresse them all separately in due time. I was not expecting this thread to explod this much..

You have certainly provided an interesting take here. I do think that @vi-va somewhat came close but slightly off your take is not bad either

To be honest, I am interested only tangentially.

It is intriguing that the world outside the strip of settled civilisation provided by the Achaemenid Empire was largely Iranian speaking Scythian (ranging from the Sarmatians at one end to the Wu Sun - perhaps - and the Parama Kamboja or the Saka at the other end. The Persians knew their cousins very well, and divided their part of the world into Iran and Turan, that misleads newcomers to the subject.

So how on earth did the Turkic people originate and what was their connection to the preceding steppe cultures? By that, one is looking at the post-Yamnaya cultures. The Mongolic people are relatively easy to trace, but it is this that I have read about extensively, but still haven't a feeling of comfort about.

 

[Apollon]

Please continue, if you are serious, that is.

Scientific farts? Oh, facts. No, no problem. Remember the cookies.

I posted to link to the study. No genetic difference between today greeks and minoans.

 

[Foinikas]

You know,he could have said "Are modern Bosniaks Turks or Slavs?" and explore it in a serious tone,but the fact that he put Greeks and Turks and tagged me and the Turkish spambot,in the original post...well that says it all. Stop this,it's a troll post. Don't continue with this.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I posted to link to the study. No genetic difference between today greeks and minoans.

Where is the objection to that? At least not to the Mycenaean culture, although the Minoans are also very, very close.

What has this to do with anything?

You know,he could have said "Are modern Bosniaks Turks or Slavs?" and explore it in a serious tone,but the fact that he put Greeks and Turks and tagged me and the Turkish spambot,in the original post...well that says it all. Stop this,it's a troll post. Don't continue with this.

You have a point, but a cynic as I have become is only marginally interested in law and order on the forum. His post represents blood flowing in the gutters - at least the promise of it, although it seems to be more thunder then lightning, to mix metaphors - and is therefore of interest to an itinerant haematologist.

 

[Apollon]

Where is the objection to that? At least not to the Mycenaean culture, although the Minoans are also very, very close.

What has this to do with anything?

Evrything. It shows the ottoman were erased without leaving a trace.

 

[QWECXZ]

Indeed the Greeks are Christian Turks

Very informative. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Short-lived thread.

Evrything. It shows the ottoman were erased without leaving a trace.

So who objected? Not I.

 

[Battlion25]

To be honest, I am interested only tangentially.

It is intriguing that the world outside the strip of settled civilisation provided by the Achaemenid Empire was largely Iranian speaking Scythian (ranging from the Sarmatians at one end to the Wu Sun - perhaps - and the Parama Kamboja or the Saka at the other end. The Persians knew their cousins very well, and divided their part of the world into Iran and Turan, that misleads newcomers to the subject.

So how on earth did the Turkic people originate and what was their connection to the preceding steppe cultures? By that, one is looking at the post-Yamnaya cultures. The Mongolic people are relatively easy to trace, but it is this that I have read about extensively, but still haven't a feeling of comfort about.

The current day Turkey citizens are something similar to the American population in genetic make up and what do I mean by that? Because it is a melting pot because they were globalists for almost a millennium.. Example the modern day turkey could be mixed and have ancestors of Persians, Greeks, Armenians, Turks, Arabs and Jewish all at the same time. Just like when you ask an American what is your genetic make up he will tell you his part irish, British, german, Italian etc etc sometimes they can give you upto 9 different ethnicities as there ethnic make up. The modern day Turks are similar they are the genetic make up of upto 7-8 different elements starting from since the Ottoman era where enter-mixing was happening big time even inside the ruling elite and the Sultan's haram itself.

You have mix of Persians, Greeks, Slavics, Balkans, Armenians, Arabs, Turks, and Jewish admixture from both sides enter-changable exactly something similar to the current day USA

 

[Apollon]

The current day Turkey citizens are something similar to the American population in genetic make up and what do I mean by that? Because it is a melting pot.. Example the modern day turkey could be mixed and have ancestors of Persians, Greeks, Armenians, Turks, Arabs and Jewish all at the same time. Just like when you ask an American what is your genetic he will tell you his part irish, British, german, Italian etc etc sometimes they can give you upto 9 different ethnicities as there ethnic make up. The modern day Turks are similar they are the genetic make up of 7 different elements starting from since the Ottoman era where enter-mixing was happening big time even inside the ruling elite and the Sultan's haram itself.

You have mix of Persians, Greeks, Slavics, Balkans, Armenians, Arabs, Turks, and Jewish admixture from both sides enter-changable exactly something similar to the current day USA

Must suck to be the result of nothing.

 

[dBSPL]

Humans were moving freely here and there before world wars. So sure, I might be a distant relative of Boris, living in Brazil nowadays.

When you speak of Boris...

Does anyone know that British Prime Minister Boris is originally from Çankırı(Turkey)?

Boris Johnson's great-grandfather, Hacı Ahmet Rıza Efendi, originally an Ottoman diplomat, was also father of Ali Kemal, who was the Minister of Education and Internal Affairs in the government of Damat Ferit Pasha.

In Turkey, there are stereotyped things according to the regions, for example, some of the stereotypical things said about Çorum Çankırı people is like: They are tactless and even have some behavioral problems. For example, an idiom says: Even Çorumlu wouldn't do what you did! . It is used to mean that you have done something so bad that even no one else can do it.

Even after generations, Boris Johnson still carries a piece of his origin to some extent.

PS: Çorum-Çankırı is the capital region of the Hittite civilization. In other words, Boris is of Ottoman origin as well as Hittite at the same time. I mean, I wanted to connect Boris's origin to the Greeks so much, but unfortunately it doesn't work.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You know,he could have said "Are modern Bosniaks Turks or Slavs?" and explore it in a serious tone,but the fact that he put Greeks and Turks and tagged me and the Turkish spambot,in the original post...well that says it all. Stop this,it's a troll post. Don't continue with this.

Then the counter comes to hand,"Why don't you, Sir, start such a thread? It would be genuinely interesting."

When you speak of Boris...

Does anyone know that British Prime Minister Boris is originally from Çankırı(Turkey)?

Boris Johnson's great-grandfather, Hacı Ahmet Rıza Efendi, originally an Ottoman diplomat, was also father of Ali Kemal, who was the Minister of Education and Internal Affairs in the government of Damat Ferit Pasha.

In Turkey, there are stereotyped things according to the regions, for example, some of the stereotypical things said about Çorum Çankırı people is like: They are tactless and even have some behavioral problems. For example, an idiom says: Even Çorumlu wouldn't do what you did! . It is used to mean that you have done something so bad that even no one else can do it.

Even after generations, Boris Johnson still carries a piece of his origin to some extent.

I think, mischievous as he is, he was referring to the same thing.

When you speak of Boris...

Does anyone know that British Prime Minister Boris is originally from Çankırı(Turkey)?

Boris Johnson's great-grandfather, Hacı Ahmet Rıza Efendi, originally an Ottoman diplomat, was also father of Ali Kemal, who was the Minister of Education and Internal Affairs in the government of Damat Ferit Pasha.

In Turkey, there are stereotyped things according to the regions, for example, some of the stereotypical things said about Çorum Çankırı people is like: They are tactless and even have some behavioral problems. For example, an idiom says: Even Çorumlu wouldn't do what you did! . It is used to mean that you have done something so bad that even no one else can do it.

Even after generations, Boris Johnson still carries a piece of his origin to some extent.

You must be very careful with the posts of @fitpOsitive

 

[Battlion25]

You know,he could have said "Are modern Bosniaks Turks or Slavs?" and explore it in a serious tone,but the fact that he put Greeks and Turks and tagged me and the Turkish spambot,in the original post...well that says it all. Stop this,it's a troll post. Don't continue with this.

lol.. You are still assuming that this is a troll thread.. This is a serious subject that needs to be debated instead of all the doubts we have to tackle this at some point hence it is better to get it out of the away and discuss it now

 

[Titanium100]

I am gonna get flamed for this but atleast a good portion of the greeks are descendants of the Ottoman if not more then half

 

[Apollon]

I am gonna get flamed for this but atleast a good portion of the greeks are descendants of the Ottoman if not more then half

According to genetics the ottomans left no trace in greece