Did Pakistan Bought Sensor Fused Bombs And J Dams

[Kinetic]

Comparing both is not accurate, as both are for different purposes.

JDAM is for hitting precise targets, one JDAM per one target. While as for this CBU-105, they are cluster bomb which has small bombs which need to be dispersed right above its target and even then, there are chances that many of the small bombs would be missing their targets and if the target is moving, then more chances of a miss. CBU-105s are good for targets which are stationary, plus compared to JDAM, its range is also limited and the destructive power is less compared to a JDAM, which can be strapped to a 2000KG bomb if required.

Here see the video of the smaller bombs going of over the target, you can see a lot of misses too, but if large number of vehicles are there, then they are deadly. Plus, aircraft can become vulnerable too and if mobile SAM is there to cover the armored formations, then less chance that the attack would become successful.

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In my view, you need good or complete air superiority to have successful attacks from such weapon.

You are rite. But two points...

1) Both CBU-105 and JDAM are free fall bombs so range is not a matter here.
3) JDAM has INS/GPS guidance so it can't attack moving targets while due to active sensors of CBU-105 it can destroy moving targets.

 

[TaimiKhan]

You are rite. But two points...

1) Both CBU-105 and JDAM are free fall bombs so range is not a matter here.
3) JDAM has INS/GPS guidance so it can't attack moving targets while due to active sensors of CBU-105 it can destroy moving targets.

Nops, they are not just free fall bombs, had they been free fall bombs, they would have dropped on the target just the way we see B-52s or older bombers of WWII doing carpet bombing, since they don't act that way and both the platforms have range to go, thus they are bot free fall bombs.

Plus, do remember JDAM is not a bomb, its a kit, strapped to a normal free fall dumb / iron bomb, which gives the bomb range and accuracy. So the JDAM kit also gives the bomb the capability to glide to some specific range, thus its not free fall bomb.

And also as for CBU-105, its the guided & having a range version of the simple free falling CBU-97. CBU-97 with WCMD kit gives the CBU-97 a range of about 15-16KM and accuracy through GPS system. [Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser]

CBU-97 is a free fall one which needs to be released right above the target, but CBU-105 can be released at 15-16KM range and the weapon can be guided to its target by the WCMD kit attached to it.

And yeah JDAM can't be used to target moving targets, but its changing with the L-JDAM kits, but its a different thingy.

Also, CBU-105 can't target moving targets, only the skeets which are released by the cluster bomb can and those are also limited in nature. CBU-105 has to detonate above a certain target, which can be given through GPS or the launch aircraft releasing the weapon right above the target, thus it can't target a moving target.

As for the skeets, they also have limited capability to target moving targets, here the below explanation from some website may give you an idea how these 40 skeets target moving objects:

" The 40 Skeets scan an area of 1,500 feet (460 m) by 500 feet (150 m) using infrared and laser sensors until it finds a target. If it fails to find a target, it self-destructs 50 feet (15 m) above the ground. "

Hope, it explains in detail how the systems work and that they are not dumb / free fall bombs.

 

[Chogy]

On the "needs air superiority" statements - A bit nebulous. Air Superiority can be complete and total, or it can be local and temporary. The latter can be obtained by pre-strike sweeps, escorts, and temporary CAPS. Then everyone bugs out. That's how it's normally done.

In WW2 Europe, the allies never came close to having total air superiority until the very end, yet they still managed to bomb. The cost you pay is in losses to the strikers.

 

[blain2]

On the "needs air superiority" statements - A bit nebulous. Air Superiority can be complete and total, or it can be local and temporary. The latter can be obtained by pre-strike sweeps, escorts, and temporary CAPS. Then everyone bugs out. That's how it's normally done.

In WW2 Europe, the allies never came close to having total air superiority until the very end, yet they still managed to bomb. The cost you pay is in losses to the strikers.

In all of our wars (Pakistan-India), superiority, where gained, has been limited to theater (local) and that too limited for a time and for the foreseeable future this is not going to change.

There would be plenty of opportunities for interdiction sorties by both sides.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Thankfully our AWACs will make sure no one is flying above the Tanks and our High Altitude interceptors and SAMs will provide enough protection for ground units

The new cluster bombs are interesting I saw this back 1-2 years ago

The problem with these bombs is they will also take out friendly units - so these units can only be used in specific situations they are tactical weapons provide you with tactical advantage vs conventional ammunition

The counter meassure is #1 Keep all units far off , make sure enemy is not flying over you maintain proper ground to air missiles systems to take out bombers

And I am sure the Al Khalid is fast enough to scatter in case its needed this thing only works if all the tanks are standinhg still like dumb dumb

 

[wild_fire1979]

Thankfully our AWACs will make sure no one is flying above the Tanks and our High Altitude interceptors and SAMs will provide enough protection for ground units

AWACS only ensure situational awareness, not air defense. Pakistan would still need to commit fighters for air cover of the moving columns of the army.

Sure, you can see the enemy coming, but then you still need to intercept them. The columns cannot rely solely on ground based units to provide adequate air cover.

Plus I read some place that India is co-developing along the lines of Brahmos the Novator series of missiles

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Like I said the AWACs will prevent any plane from sneaking in above the tanks, and if the Tank crew has enough of warning they can just travel far away and not side by side preventing huge losses

These losses only occour when the ground crew has no early warning enabled in their tactical plans

Plus with the New SAM missiles we are inducting from China I doubt any bomber will be flying above any Al Khalids -

Plus the AWACs are also there to help launched enough JF17 interceptors and F16 to take care of any potential bomber well ahead of time.

Plus you also have to account for Al Khalid's superior mobility as a tank it is Fast Tiger

The example in the above video Iraqi tanks got knocked out because they did not had any air support

What did the Iraq's had to protect soliders from air ? some pilots that defected to Iran instead of fighting for their nation ?

But it does comes as a suprise to me that this weapon was sold to India - since its suppose to be a future weapon for US army meaning its just got inducted it was so new suprised the Americans would sold this to India - Russia's boosom buddies

 

[wild_fire1979]

Like I said the AWACs will prevent any plane from sneaking in above the tanks, and if the Tank crew has enough of warning they can just travel far away and not side by side preventing huge losses


These losses only occour when the ground crew has no early warning enabled in their tactical plans

Plus with the New SAM missiles we are inducting from China I doubt any bomber will be flying above any Al Khalids -

True! Advanced warning helps. Thats why India has procured the sensor fused bombs. These are launched in canisters from a great height, outside the engaging envelope of a portable AA missile. These are being further modified to launch as a cruise missile by aircrafts, so in theory the aircraft does not need to strafe the enemy, it just needs to launch this from a stand-off range.

Plus the AWACs are also there to help launched enough JF17 interceptors and F16 to take care of any potential bomber well ahead of time.

Plus you also have to account for Al Khalid's superior mobility as a tank it is Fast Tiger

Sure an intercept sortie will be dispatched, but the Indians wont be looking to engage they will deliver the package and head home on afterburners

But it does comes as a suprise to me that this weapon was sold to India - since its suppose to be a future weapon for US army meaning its just got inducted it was so new suprised the Americans would sold this to India - Russia's boosom buddies

You seem to have it confused with some other system. I am talking about this missile:

Novator K-100 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This has been developed specifically to take outs awacs at extreme range. This is what India will employ to either take down the awac or keep it out of area of operation

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

so whats are the updates ? did pakistan got it or not? or anything of same capability made by Chinese?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan does not have the one shown in the video , the ones in video are latest , I do believe India purchased these under the table when they were getting the nuclear deal they got some gravy on side as well

But remains to be seen if the items sold to India were these advance versions shown in video or the traditional older variety that Pakistan also acquired

 

[Tshering22]

And they are guided too.

No pakistan don't have them.

But India have recently purchased 510 of these most advance and lethal CBU-105 sensor fuzed weapon from USA.

I'd be happier if we could produce this on our own.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

While the bombs are interesting concept and actual weapon , the technology used in manufacturing them is not that great

I mean I am sure China can easily make "Better" weapons all it is , is a free falling bomb that splits into 40 bomb-lets close to ground level, and close to ground level , it just has a detector built into the weapons which direct the bomb-let towards a "large" metallic" target, all you need is distance to ground detector in the main mother bomb , and it opens the womb and out comes the bomb-lets

I mean how hard is it to construct something that detects a metal moving object and aim for it instead of a non metallic target like rock

China made Aircraft KILLER missiles this tiny bomblet is nothing this is something Pakistan can make on our own

 

[DrSomnath999]

I'd be happier if we could produce this on our own.

not so easy weapon to build mate it's skeet warheads are very difficult to make

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Even if you get a copy on blackmarket lol all these bomblets eventually 1 will find its way to blackmarket

May be we should check all those containers in Karachi port I am sure we will find some goodies to reverse engineer

The bombets are nothing more then a glider , with a sensor that detects metal (or pattern of tank)
and once detected its just locks the flight path of bomblet to its course

Just what is needed is sensors - nano technology

Pakistan possese technology far more superior to what goes into building these bombs

These bomblets seem to have taken some technology from NASA research which was used to detect a appropriate location for the moon landers to land the vehicles they had similar detectors on the probes that landed on moon which would check for distance vs best place to land a free falling vehicle

But of course this weapon itself is not that technically challenging - if you really think about it

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Lastly, Pakistan and Turkey are currently working on next generation cluster munitions as well under an agreement signed in Musharraf's time (circa 2008).

update?