Did Ancient Pakistanis Defeated The Mighty Alexander The Great.,

[Rafi]

indian dream or nightmare, you are a troll, if you can not hold a discussion like a civilized human being, it is better not to take part.

 

[Rafi]

the great bangladeshi Group Captain. Saiful Azam, who shot down Israeli jet on his own.
i dont know why many people call him pakistani..??

Mate you need help, because he was fighting for the Armed Forces of Pakistan ???????

 

[indiandream267]

Mr. unitedpak, i dont what is so confusing to u here.
it is very simple.
either ure the dissendants of the invaders who killed ure and mine ancestors here, or ure not.
reading the history that is taught in ure books, and the mind of a average pakistani who believes that their forefathers came from outside and ruled the dirty natives here.

so would u accept here, that ghaznis and ghauris were inavders and not ure forefathers..??
if no, then u have no claim on anything historical of that soil.

 

[indiandream267]

Mate you need help, because he was fighting for the Armed Forces of Pakistan ???????

so going by ure own logic, porus was also fighting for Inda. the land of his forefathers, where the hell has this pakistan come into picture here ?

 

[Rafi]

Mr. unitedpak, i dont what is so confusing to u here.
it is very simple.
either ure the dissendants of the invaders who killed ure and mine ancestors here, or ure not.
reading the history that is taught in ure books, and the mind of a average pakistani who believes that their forefathers came from outside and ruled the dirty natives here.

so would u accept here, that ghaznis and ghauris were inavders and not ure forefathers..??
if no, then u have no claim on anything historical of that soil.

We are both, our ancestors became part of the new civilization, you will find that the famous Rajput Janjua, fought Timur, but when they converted to Islam, they helped Timur's descendant Babur to conquer South Asia.

 

[Rafi]

so going by ure own logic, porus was also fighting for Inda. the land of his forefathers, where the hell has this pakistan come into picture here ?

No because there was no such as modern india at that point, he was fighting for his Jhelum, which part of ancient and geographic Pakistan.

 

[indiandream267]

We are both, our ancestors became part of the new civilization, you will find that the famous Rajput Janjua, fought Timur, but when they converted to Islam, they helped Timur's descendant Babur to conquer South Asia.

so u accept that your ancestors were beaten, thrashed, raped and forcefully converted by the invaders..??
then how can u glorfy such criminals who killed ure own ancestors, by naming ure weapons on thier names ?

 

[indiandream267]

No because there was no such as modern india at that point, he was fighting for his Jhelum, which part of ancient and geographic Pakistan.

hahahaha... modern india ..?? vat is modern india..??
there was ancient india at that time.
and he was fighting for his motherland,

Porus, the great son of this great land, India.

 

[Rafi]

so u accept that your ancestors were beaten, thrashed, raped and forcefully converted by the invaders..??
then how can u glorfy such criminals who killed ure own ancestors, by naming ure weapons on thier names ?

Because conquerors need to keep the population to establish economies to tax and keep rich, once the initial takeover occurred, very quickly the people with the help of Sufi's reverted to this new great world religion. After that they provided troops and resources to the new rulers and intermarried with them, so they can claim them as their own.

That is why IVC is ours and MBQ, Babur, Ghauri, is ours also.

 

[UnitedPak]

Mr. unitedpak, i dont what is so confusing to u here.
it is very simple.
either ure the dissendants of the invaders who killed ure and mine ancestors here, or ure not.
reading the history that is taught in ure books, and the mind of a average pakistani who believes that their forefathers came from outside and ruled the dirty natives here.

so would u accept here, that ghaznis and ghauris were inavders and not ure forefathers..??
if no, then u have no claim on anything historical of that soil.

Invaders come and go, integrate or leave. There might be some descendants of the invaders but they have never replaced any population in Pakistan. Our roots are deep in the land where we have always lived. You cannot generalise an entire nation like this. Yes, some foreigners are honoured because of what they introduced, which you have every right to protest.

I also do not appreciate when you refer to "other Pakistanis saying this or that". There are plenty of Pakistanis in this thread you can listen to and debate with.

 

[Rafi]

Porus is from Jhelum, people from that area, would laugh in your face, if you called him that. In point of fact Porus himself would have no concept in being indian, he would understand about what it was to be from the Indus Civilization, which is totally different and separate from the bharat Ganges based civilization.

 

[SnIPeR Xr]

I have a question for Pakistanis, and this is meant to be honest and with no ill intentions.

What do Pakistanis consider to be THEIR history? For much of its pre-Islamic history "Pakistan" was ruled by powerful Hindu empires, like the Nandas, Mauryas, Guptas, Palas, etc.

Do you feel proud of that history, even though they were not Islamic?.

Mauryas Mauryas Mauryas.

Why you Indians are continously talking about Maurya empire.

Why you people are trying to show that Maurya empire belongs to modern India.

Do you people even know what was mauryan Empire and when did it extended towards the modern day Pakistan.

Being a hindu empire does not make Mauryan empire a Modern days Indian empire.


Dont forget that We ancient Pakistanis too were hindus at that time.

And now we dont belong to modern india.

You Indians are trying so hard to prove that a hindu means Indian.

The fact is that we ancient Pakistani hindus belongs to the IVC which is now part of Modern Pakistan.


But the question is when did the Mauryan empire extended towards the modern Pakistan.Inhabited by Ancient Pakistani hindus???

The answer is that it extended in period of ASHOKA.

now how does Ashoka's conquering of Ancient Pakistan shows any Hindu Dominancy when occupied ones too were Hindus????
Putting this aside the Real fact is that

Was Ashoka a Hindu or not

The answer is that he converted towards the Bhuddism
He was a Budhist at that time.

Ashoka went into Ujjain and in the ensuing battle was injured, but his generals quelled the uprising. Ashoka was treated in hiding so that loyalists of the Susima group could not harm him. He was treated by Buddhist monks and nuns. This is where he first learned the teachings of the Buddha, and it is also where he met Devi, who was his personal nurse and the daughter of a merchant from adjacent Vidisha. After recovering, he married her. It was quite unacceptable to Bindusara that one of his sons should marry a Buddhist, so he did not allow Ashoka to stay in Pataliputra but instead sent him back to Ujjain and made him the governor of Ujjain.
Ashoka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First of all conquest of an Hindu land by Hindu people does not show any religious dominancy.

But Ashoka was not even a hindu he was a budhist and as written in the link he married the Buhddist girl devi and Bindusara for his being a budhist and marrying a budhist girl didnt allowed him to stay in a Hindu empire of Maurya.

After conquering Kalinga a budhism dominated empire,he was known for his devotion to the budhism religion.

So how Modern Indian hindus can claim that they conquered our hindu ancestors of Modern Pakistan.
What is a point Of Modern India'as hindu's dominancy here.

Actually those are Bhuddists of Eastern India who can claim that they conquered the Ancient Pakistan.

And that was not even ancient Pakistan.the Maurya empire was spread across the burma,Bangladesh,Bhutan and nepal and Indian states of TamilNadu/south India.

If Ancient Pakistan was conquered by them then Modern South india was also conquered by them.

But does it means that in ancient times The modern Bangladesh,Burma,Bhutan,Nepal and India Collectively Attacked the modern Pakistan,Afghanistan and Iran ???

SO All those states should talk about their dominancy that they attacked Pakistan.Iran and Afghanistan.

What a flawed theory this is.

If not, when what do Pakistanis consider to be THEIR history? (I am talking pre-1947 of course)

Our history starts 5000 years ago when first person in IV and also in whole of south asia started to live.Our history starts from his life on IV.

But if you want to know our part of History in Maurya empire context then that history is that our ancestors specially in the part of city of ancient TAKSHILA(now Taxila) were part of Maurya empire.
They were ruled by Chandragupta Maurya.

Our ancestors uphealed a Rebel against Maurya Rule During the period of ashoka.

Maurya Emperor Bindusara sent Ashoka to Quell the Uprising of our Ancesters in the Takshila and he done it so well.

Judging by names of Pakistani weapons, their seems to be a great affection for Central Asian/Turkic/Afghan history, even though those cultures have little in common with the native (Hindu) culture of the land now called "Pakistan".

Thats why a discussion about this is going on Pakistan defence forum.
And Its a right of Pakistani's to discuss it.

Your Expert opinion like the above one is not needed.

And keep in mind that "Hindu" is not just a religious term, but more accurately a cultural term, and for three thousand years the region now called "Pakistan" has been part of the Hindu cultural sphere.

Hinduism itself is not a culture but Indian hindus calls the indian culture related to hinduism as A hindu Culture.

This is wrong and it implies only for hindus living in India..

But what about those hindus who dont live in india??\

Hinduism, its religious doctrines, traditions and observances are very typical and inextricably linked to the culture and demographics of India.
Hindu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A form of Hinduism particularly different from Indian roots and traditions is practiced in Bali, Indonesia, where Hindus form 90% of the population.

 

[indiandream267]

Invaders come and go. The integrate and leave. There might be some descendants of the invaders but they have never replaced any population in Pakistan. Our roots are deep in the land where we have always lived. You cannot generalise an entire nation like this. Yes, some foreigners are honoured because of what they introduced, which you have every right to protest.

I also do not appreciate when you refer to "other Pakistanis saying this or that". There are plenty of Pakistanis in this thread you can listen to and debate with.

nopes sir, ure wrong here.
when ure country counts the invaders of their of thier land as thier national hero, when all the weapons are named after the same criminals who killed our own forefathers, u cannot come out of anywhere and say, our ancestors belong to this land.

invaders are invaders, they killed ure ancestors, and when u glorify them, then ure actually insulting ure own forefathers.

 

[Rafi]

Map showing Ancient Pakistans trade links

 

[Rafi]

We and Porus, are not indian, never have been and will never be - ask modern Jhelumi's how they feel about india, they are proud that they join Pak Army and fight bharatis who are the eternal enemy of the Indus people ie Pakistanis