Dhaka under pressure to sign US military co-op deal

[ARCHON]

US-BD relation is older than IND-US relationship. India does not have any sphere of influence whatsoever.

Thats true. Most of the US decisions are made after consulting with Hasina and ZIa.

IF BD says attack Russia to US, US will attack within 1 week. So BD should restrain itself to keep world peace.

 

[TopCat]

Thats true. Most of the US decisions are made after consulting with Hasina and ZIa.

IF BD says attack Russia to US, US will attack within 1 week. So BD should restrain itself to keep world peace.

Brain Fart???

 

[ARCHON]

Brain Fart???

To the ones who like smelling it , it may sound similar. but not really.

 

[TopCat]

I expected a more practical poster to answer my question, but anyways this inclusion of BD will be a security arrangement between India - US and BD.

My assumption is this is a continuity in India's pursuit of normalizing relations between all its neighbors.

There is nothing called IND US BD thing going on? Did Hilary have a secret meeting with you?

 

[Amolthebest]

US will be better ally than China for Bangladesh. As a democratic nation they will take decision in their best interest.Regards

 

[TopCat]

US will be better ally than China for Bangladesh. As a democratic nation they will take decision in their best interest.Regards

Why would we need an ally? To fight against who? Even if there were a distant possibility of any war then it will be against India. In that case China is the way to go. We need USA as well, too keep India at bay. A dhamki from USA will make India not to go for any adventurism.

 

[Zabaniyah]

No!! This should not happen!! Bangladesh must deny this straight forward!

They already have a base "Diego Garcia" why need more??

I hope India should also object in this regard and support Bangladesh in denying any such base in bangladesh as this is not good for our National Interest too!!

This may be very bad thing in future for India. If US gets a base in Bangladesh, (they already control AfPak region).

They can keep both India and China under tab.

We can never know the intentions of US, today they are opposing China but tomorrow they will oppose India. So the US base in Bangladesh will be a future headache for India.

They don't need bases these days. Their carrier groups are more than enough. Hell, the mere sight of one carrier group would send cold feet to any major Asian country.

It's more about making sure that the trade routes are secured as per US interests.

US will be better ally than China for Bangladesh. As a democratic nation they will take decision in their best interest.Regards

Using the term "ally" a bit too loosely now aren't we? On a side note, there is no real such thing as "ally" in the context of Bangladesh's relationships.

 

[Amolthebest]

Why would we need an ally? To fight against who? Even if there were a distant possibility of any war then it will be against India. In that case China is the way to go. We need USA as well, too keep India at bay. A dhamki from USA will make India not to go for any adventurism.

And you are senior member here. god grief. Who told you that you need an ally only in war like situations. You can do financial collaboration, cost effective loans and creating basic infrastructure. And no US dhamki can not bother us. They gave us dhamaki in 1971 when our jawans were fighting your war but we stood up for the cause and attain what we wanted.So come out of your daydreams.

 

[illusion8]

There is nothing called IND US BD thing going on? Did Hilary have a secret meeting with you?

Of course, the US regional policy gains by showcasing a robust relationship with a moderate Muslim majority country like Bangladesh. But from the US perspective, geopolitics and energy appear to be the compelling themes of Clinton’s visit. Simply put, Bangladesh’s strategic location enhances its importance for the US to try and bring Bangladesh into the ambit of the US-India axis, which has taken shape in the region. (Myanmar and Sri Lanka become two other similar ‘target’ countries for the coordinated US-Indian regional strategy.)

Unsurprisingly, India is content with taking a back seat as a junior partner (given the sensitivities of its small neighbors) and is letting the US take the lead role in advancing their regional strategy. It is, admittedly, an ambitious project, as it is predicated on a dramatic improvement in the climate of mutual trust among the countries of the region – and in their ties vis-à-vis India – and, more important, on their willingness to serve as surrogates in the US’ containment’ strategy toward China. Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, for instance, have dynamic cooperative relationships with China, which are beneficial for them in every way, including as a counterweight to the perceived Indian ‘hegemony’ in the region. Suffice to say, Clinton’s visit to Dhaka augurs the arrival of the great game in the Bay of Bengal, which has otherwise been lurking so far in and around the Malacca Strait.

Agree there's nothing on paper, and agree the whole US tilt is confusing to Bangladeshi's, but the only rational strategy is the one above. India would always keep its relations bilateral and will not get into any grouping as such.

 

[TopCat]

And you are senior member here. god grief. Who told you that you need an ally only in war like situations. You can do financial collaboration, cost effective loans and creating basic infrastructure. And no US dhamki can not bother us. They gave us dhamaki in 1971 when our jawans were fighting your war but we stood up for the cause and attain what we wanted.So come out of your daydreams.

We are talking about military alliance here. We already have a strong trade and economic relationship with USA.
"BD Is the 7th largest country in the world" that is what USA said. They know how to deal with countries independently and they dont need any Indian advice to do that. USA knows it very well and BD already made that clear that USA must deal with Bangladesh independently otherwise there wont be any deal. They also know after BNP coming to power, the situation will be completely different. Besides BD military which USA has all the interest in have nothing to do with INDIA.

 

[eastwatch]

I have checked many links and found Wiki definition on ACSA a little more elaborate than others. I am posting it for others to read. It seems the ACSA does not stipulate anything like acquisition of a base right in the signing country. However, it does not also say about the real purpose of this kind of treaty. It seems the signing country becomes eligible to receive military hardwares from the USA. Please do not just brush off the explanation just because it is wiki.

If there is no question of a military base right, I will certainly endorse such a treaty for my country. The US Undersecretary of State Shapiro already said about providing excess weapons to our military. But, by US law in order to make a country eligible to receive such weapons in a large scale an ACSA treaty must be signed with that country. I think, Bd will certainly sign such a treaty and our military experts are examining the contents of this treaty with the USA.

Eastwatch


Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreement (ACSA) are negotiated on a bilateral basis with United States allies or coalition partners that allow US forces to exchange most common types of support, including food, fuel, transportation, ammunition, and equipment. The agreement does not, in any way commit a country to any military action.

As of mid 2004, the US had ACSAs with 76 countries, including most NATO nations, as well as the NATO Maintenance and Supply Agency (NAMSA), NATO Allied Command Transformation, and Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE). ACSAs diminish logistics burdens and are considered vital logistics enablers by providing on site commanders increased interoperability, enhanced operational readiness and cost effective joint support.

The ACSA accomplishes this by establishing a mechanism to provide llogistical supplies between two parties in exchange for reimbursement either in cash, replacement in kind, or equal value exchange.

[edit] HistoryThe Acquisition and Cross Servicing Agreement (ACSA) statute (formerly known as "NATO Mutual Support Act") was enacted to simplify exchanges of logistic support, supplies, and services between the United States and other NATO forces. It was subsequently amended in 1986, 1992, and 1994 to permit ACSAs with the governments of eligible non-NATO countries.

It also requires equal-value exchanges (EVEs) of logistic support, supplies, and services and allows ACSAs with United Nations organizations and to authorize the loan or lease of equipment. Annual reports are required listing all ACSA transactions in the previous fiscal year and projecting requirements for the next fiscal year.

The ACSA authorities provide the combatant commanders and the Service component or sub-unified commands the means to acquire and provide mutual logistic support during training and expulsion, exercises and military operations, or to permit expedited access to the logistics assets of foreign country armed forces to satisfy the logistics support requirements of deployed US Armed Forces.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Why India should object??????????

The very fact that US has Deigo Garcia already makes it redundant for us whether they have a base in Bangladesh or not.They could easily act against India from there......

On the other hand signing this deal will piss china off mightily.It is very much in favour of India that Bangladesh provides base to US.

There is something called as long-term planning.

You will find India at the same place where china is right now after a decade or two, think beyond the hemisphere of current geopolitical environment. Nothing is permanent in this world! Relationships with US were not this Good just 10 years ago(cough* cough* sanctions) and no one can guaranty that relationship with US will remain same 10 years from now ? Just think about the long- term implication of this decision (If done by BD) on India. As they say be cautious, and always think about future implications of decisions you/your enemy or your neighbor make's.

Just think a little....i hope u'll get the answer.

 

[illusion8]

There is something called as long-term planning.

You will find India at the same place where china is right now after a decade or two, think beyond the hemisphere of current geopolitical environment. Nothing is permanent in this world! Relationships with US were not this Good just 10 years ago(cough* cough* sanctions) and no one can guaranty that relationship with US will remain same 10 years from now ? Just think about the long- term implication of this decision (If done by BD) on India. As they say be cautious, and always think about future implications of decisions you/your enemy or your neighbor make's.

Just think a little....i hope u'll get the answer.

There is not a single negative comment from India's side vis a vis the US-BD cooperation, forces one to believe that it's in consonance with India's objectives as well. And given that the US envisions India to play a bigger role in global affairs and doing something in India's backyard without considering Indian sentiments is absurd.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

There is not a single negative comment from India's side vis a vis the US-BD cooperation, forces one to believe that it's in consonance with India's objectives as well. And given that the US envisions India to play a bigger role in global affairs and doing something in India's backyard without considering Indian sentiments is absurd.

And you were seriously expecting something(any comment) public regarding this ? NO Negative comment in public domain so far does'nt means nothing is happening or India don't have any problem with this

 

[illusion8]

And you were seriously expecting something(any comment) public regarding this ? NO Negative comment in public domain so far does'nt means nothing is happening or India don't have any problem with this

Lack of any reactions definitely suggests so, and considering the fact that all US diplomatic visits to BD were after or before New Delhi visits points in that direction. I see the whole direction of events as something to do with 2014 and also reducing influences and options of third countries, a new energy corridor to facilitate Myanmar as well, and larger Indian influence in its immediate neighborhood.