Developments and Turkish operations in Libya

[Agha Sher]

Both sides in the conflict seem to exaggerate realities, however, this raises an interesting question.

Would it be feasible for the Turkish Air Force to conduct airstrikes and aerial denial in Libya (considering the vast distance)?

Imagine if TCG Anadolu was operational with a dozen of F-35s. Damn the Egyptians and UAE would have nightmares.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1205229286824796166

 

[Ansu fati]

Both sides in the Lybian conflict seem to exaggerate realities, however, this raises an interesting question.

Would it be feasible for the Turkish Air Force to conduct airstrikes and aerial denial in Libya (considering the vast distance)?

Imagine if TCG Anadolu was operational with a dozen of F-35s. Damn the Egyptians and UAE would have nightmares.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1205229286824796166

Where are pro sisi arabs?? Yesterday someone was barking about how mighty egyptian army is going to “destroy” turkey by the way maybe we don’t have f-35 but definitely if gna can hold to 2021 then you will see TCG Anadolu and 20 AKINCI conducting airstrikes but i wonder if haftar is going to live until 2021 you know he is 74 years old one heart attack can send him in hell
Of course maybe these news are fake but if proven correct well that’s a massive embarrassment for egypt if we know that libya is next door but they can’t attack because turkey which is hundreds of kilometers away is stopping them

 

[Agha Sher]

Where are pro sisi arabs?? Yesterday someone was barking about how mighty egyptian army is going to “destroy” turkey by the way maybe we don’t have f-35 but definitely if gna can hold to 2021 then you will see TCG Anadolu and 20 AKINCI conducting airstrikes but i wonder if haftar is going to live until 2021 you know he is 74 years old one heart attack can send him in hell

In reality, there are very few pro-dictator Arabs. However, as mentioned we should take the tweets with a grain of salt, brother.

 

[Ansu fati]

In reality, there are very few pro-dictator Arabs. However, as mentioned we should take the tweets with a grain of salt, brother.

Yes that’s why implied pro sisi because everyone knows that most arabs despise their regimes
I will post about SOM MISSILES in the drone section my opinion is if turkey successfully finish som project and the ktj-engine then akinci will be a game changer in east med and definitely will be huge export succes and bring hundreds of milions dollars maybe even 1 bilion for the defese sector

 

[HannibalBarca]

Where are pro sisi arabs?? Yesterday someone was barking about how mighty egyptian army is going to “destroy” turkey by the way maybe we don’t have f-35 but definitely if gna can hold to 2021 then you will see TCG Anadolu and 20 AKINCI conducting airstrikes but i wonder if haftar is going to live until 2021 you know he is 74 years old one heart attack can send him in hell
Of course maybe these news are fake but if proven correct well that’s a massive embarrassment for egypt if we know that libya is next door but they can’t attack because turkey which is hundreds of kilometers away is stopping them

The Libyan conflict will be over in 2020...

 

[Oublious]

Both sides in the conflict seem to exaggerate realities, however, this raises an interesting question.

Would it be feasible for the Turkish Air Force to conduct airstrikes and aerial denial in Libya (considering the vast distance)?

Imagine if TCG Anadolu was operational with a dozen of F-35s. Damn the Egyptians and UAE would have nightmares.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1205229286824796166

Fake news...

 

[Bogeyman]

I think some of our friends still don't understand how dangerous it is. To summarize for them;
The peak of the gun boat diplomacy war in the Eastern Mediterranean today is Libya. We have no luxury to lose Libya. Because if we lose this war, we will fight it at our doorstep. If we lose this war, we cannot even hold a fishing boat in the Aegean. That's why we don't have the luxury of retreat. This is not Syria. There's oil and gas here.
Today, Turkey is performing 40-50 billion on energy imports. The closure of this deficit depends on the gas we will emerge in the Eastern Mediterranean. If we want to extinguish the fire before it comes to our door, we have to extinguish the fire in Libya. If Turkey wants to enter the expanding naval forces to the year 2025 s, if you want to see the TF-2000 inventory we need to stop this work from the beginning. Money will not fall from the sky.

 

[Ansu fati]

The Libyan conflict will be over in 2020...

We will see my personal opinion that turkey won’t send troops for combat they will probably be located together in the same base with italian soldiers and their role would be more advisory and more symbolic rather than actual military support i think that if turkey supplies gna with t-155 Firtina MANPADS and maybe khan missile(export version of bora ballistic missile) this would be enough for gna to live comfortably through 2020 there’s no need in sending turkish soldiers for combat that would be strategic mistake

In 2021 when AKINCI is fully ready and when the ktj-3200 engine for som missile is fully ready(according to officials by the end of 2020 all tests of the engine will end from 2021 it will be ready for aerial production that means also continuation of serial production for som missiles) of course akinci doesn’t have any chance against modern aircrafts but most of haftar’s aircraft is old l-39 plane and wing loong maybe some old helicopters that’s it all these mentioned have no chance against akinci in air to air battle when he starts loosing aircrafts every day he will cancel this stupid embarrassment dubbed as “Tripoli offensive”
I should mention that the real power of akinci is actually air to ground attacks but since haftar doesn’t care how much of his mercenaries are going to die it’s better to focus on air to air battles
To be honest the only way to stop haftar is to destroy his aircrafts and pantzir air defense system
He cares only about equipment because he is dependent completely on his sponsors if gna or turkey can destroy the expensive toys then his sponsors will realize that they are wasting money on a useless “general”(read war criminal)

 

[Bogeyman]

The state is aware of where a failure in Libya can be the gate. For this reason, the TSK will show all its power over Libya. So far, we have conducted indirect interventions in Syria. It will be different here. Because we'il be there with everything, no matter what. If you approach the flag when you approach the sea with the navy in Cyprus, you will have to do the same in Libya if you say war. Maybe diplomatic negotiations will be different. But in any case, we will not intervene again as covered in Syria.

 

[HannibalBarca]

We will see my personal opinion that turkey won’t send troops for combat they will probably be located together in the same base with italian soldiers and their role would be more advisory and more symbolic rather than actual military support i think that if turkey supplies gna with t-155 Firtina MANPADS and maybe khan missile(export version of bora ballistic missile) this would be enough for gna to live comfortably through 2020 there’s no need in sending turkish soldiers for combat that would be strategic mistake

In 2021 when AKINCI is fully ready and when the ktj-3200 engine for som missile is fully ready(according to officials by the end of 2020 all tests of the engine will end from 2021 it will be ready for aerial production that means also continuation of serial production for som missiles) of course akinci doesn’t have any chance against modern aircrafts but most of haftar’s aircraft is old l-39 plane and wing loong maybe some old helicopters that’s it all these mentioned have no chance against akinci in air to air battle when he starts loosing aircrafts every day he will cancel this stupid embarrassment dubbed as “Tripoli offensive”
I should mention that the real power of akinci is actually air to ground attacks but since haftar doesn’t care how much of his mercenaries are going to die it’s better to focus on air to air battles
To be honest the only way to stop haftar is to destroy his aircrafts and pantzir air defense system
He cares only about equipment because he is dependent completely on his sponsors if gna or turkey can destroy the expensive toys then his sponsors will realize that they are wasting money on a useless “general”(read war criminal)

The state is aware of where a failure in Libya can be the gate. For this reason, the TSK will show all its power over Libya. So far, we have conducted indirect interventions in Syria. It will be different here. Because we'il be there with everything, no matter what. If you approach the flag when you approach the sea with the navy in Cyprus, you will have to do the same in Libya if you say war. Maybe diplomatic negotiations will be different. But in any case, we will not intervene again as covered in Syria.

The moment RU or the US step in... TR intervention is over... That's a reality.
Syria is an example... TR IS NOT READY to be a regional power in that area.

As long as you can't do as you wish in your neighborhood... your time isn't here yet.

The moment TR decide to send troops on the ground... it will be the End for TR intervention... This is based on CURRENT Turkey... if tmrow TR decide to not give sh*t about RU/US or others then maybe things will change... but as of today... it will only be a waste of man/money/ and political disunity.

TR has to prove herself with Syria first... Even Libyans who are against Hafter do not see TR as a force who is strong enough to help them against potential RU/US meddling... but more like a weapon supplier...

 

[Ansu fati]

Haftar’s offensive has started very well

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

The moment RU or the US step in... TR intervention is over... That's a reality.
Syria is an example... TR IS NOT READY to be a regional power in that area.

As long as you can't do as you wish in your neighborhood... your time isn't here yet.

The moment TR decide to send troops on the ground... it will be the End for TR intervention... This is based on CURRENT Turkey... if tmrow TR decide to not give sh*t about RU/US or others then maybe things will change... but as of today... it will only be a waste of man/money/ and political disunity.

TR has to prove herself with Syria first... Even Libyans who are against Hafter do not see TR as a force who is strong enough to help them against potential RU/US meddling... but more like a weapon supplier...

Exactly right. Yes Libya is very important. However by carrying out a half assed operation that had its image tarnished by misbehaving FSA militants, we haven't really put ourselves in a good position. We should have blitzkrieged the north of Syria.

Now we still have YPG in Syria, but they're just pushed back a bit. We gained almost nothing while at the same time destroying our image because FSA militants decided to record stupid acts. Also we buckled to international condemnation instead of continuing the operation...

If we can't fcking deal with PKK/YPG terrorists that are on the other side of our border then how does anyone expect us to successfully carry out a war against Haftar in Libya. Watch all of NATO switch sides to Haftar once Turkey goes all in.

We at least need TCG Anadolu in order to have enough force projection to threaten Haftar. Before we get it we should act carefully.

 

[Ansu fati]

We need t


Exactly right. Yes Libya is very important. However by carrying out a half assed operation that had its image tarnished by misbehaving FSA militants, we haven't really put ourselves in a good position. We should have blitzkrieged the north of Syria.

Now we still have YPG in Syria, but they're just pushed back a bit. We gained almost nothing while at the same time destroying our image because FSA militants decided to record stupid acts. Also we buckled to international condemnation instead of continuing the operation...

If we can't fcking deal with PKK/YPG terrorists that are on the other side of our border then how does anyone expect us to successfully carry out a war against Haftar in Libya. Watch all of NATO switch sides to Haftar once Turkey goes all in.

We at least need TCG Anadolu in order to have enough force projection to threaten Haftar. Before we should act carefully.

That’s why i say that troops should be send only for PR stunt it’s more important to suply gna with manpads t-155 firtina and other weapons
As for pkk they are finished everyday they suffer big losses eventually they will be forced to deploy big number of ypg terrorists in northern iraq according to a relevant american analyst twitter account turkey is preparing for the second and the third offensive to capture whole north if american senators continue with their worthless bills against turkey there will be no third phase cause all north will be taken in the second phase

 

[Bogeyman]

The moment RU or the US step in... TR intervention is over... That's a reality.
Syria is an example... TR IS NOT READY to be a regional power in that area.

As long as you can't do as you wish in your neighborhood... your time isn't here yet.

The moment TR decide to send troops on the ground... it will be the End for TR intervention... This is based on CURRENT Turkey... if tmrow TR decide to not give sh*t about RU/US or others then maybe things will change... but as of today... it will only be a waste of man/money/ and political disunity.

TR has to prove herself with Syria first... Even Libyans who are against Hafter do not see TR as a force who is strong enough to help them against potential RU/US meddling... but more like a weapon supplier...

We don't have to give a direct military response.
The costs of some moves are paid indirectly, not directly. As Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said, if the US imposes sanctions, the Incirlik air base and the Kürecik radar base are closed.
I'm sorry, man, everything has a price.

 

[HannibalBarca]

We will see my personal opinion that turkey won’t send troops for combat they will probably be located together in the same base with italian soldiers and their role would be more advisory and more symbolic rather than actual military support i think that if turkey supplies gna with t-155 Firtina MANPADS and maybe khan missile(export version of bora ballistic missile) this would be enough for gna to live comfortably through 2020 there’s no need in sending turkish soldiers for combat that would be strategic mistake

In 2021 when AKINCI is fully ready and when the ktj-3200 engine for som missile is fully ready(according to officials by the end of 2020 all tests of the engine will end from 2021 it will be ready for aerial production that means also continuation of serial production for som missiles) of course akinci doesn’t have any chance against modern aircrafts but most of haftar’s aircraft is old l-39 plane and wing loong maybe some old helicopters that’s it all these mentioned have no chance against akinci in air to air battle when he starts loosing aircrafts every day he will cancel this stupid embarrassment dubbed as “Tripoli offensive”
I should mention that the real power of akinci is actually air to ground attacks but since haftar doesn’t care how much of his mercenaries are going to die it’s better to focus on air to air battles
To be honest the only way to stop haftar is to destroy his aircrafts and pantzir air defense system
He cares only about equipment because he is dependent completely on his sponsors if gna or turkey can destroy the expensive toys then his sponsors will realize that they are wasting money on a useless “general”(read war criminal)

Exactly right. Yes Libya is very important. However by carrying out a half assed operation that had its image tarnished by misbehaving FSA militants, we haven't really put ourselves in a good position. We should have blitzkrieged the north of Syria.

Now we still have YPG in Syria, but they're just pushed back a bit. We gained almost nothing while at the same time destroying our image because FSA militants decided to record stupid acts. Also we buckled to international condemnation instead of continuing the operation...

If we can't fcking deal with PKK/YPG terrorists that are on the other side of our border then how does anyone expect us to successfully carry out a war against Haftar in Libya. Watch all of NATO switch sides to Haftar once Turkey goes all in.

We at least need TCG Anadolu in order to have enough force projection to threaten Haftar. Before we should act carefully.

The only way for TR to succeed with her intervention in Libya with her current situation is to get an open invitation and go full in, without giving a sh*t about RU fake deals/meetings and US/EU sanctions... and most importantly be the FIRST international force on the ground...
By pushing that way... US/RU/EU will not engage on the ground, mostly as suppliers... But TR will have to spend a lot of money/blood... and face sanctions that will lead to a part of Turks to protest against the gov... Therefore making it that TR lost to its own people...

We don't have to give a direct military response.
The costs of some moves are paid indirectly, not directly. As Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said, if the US imposes sanctions, the Incirlik air base and the Kürecik radar base are closed.
I'm sorry, man, everything has a price.

If you can't supply as much as Haftar suppliers... then better stop here as it will only be a waste of money and political tension.
As for those bases... closing them may happen in a very critical future... but I do not think that sanctions against TR will push the Gov to make such move.