Developments and Turkish operations in Libya

[Ansu fati]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1203981822205603840

This is how they talk about the Turks in Haftar's camp.

Well this bastard will be hanged if he tries to do something in Misrata
Now Turkey has two reasons for military intervention in Libya:
1.To protect the oil rights of Libya Turkey and TRNC but also the protection the legitimate government of Libya
2.To protect its ethnic brethren in Misrata
You know what’s interesting Russia had the same reasons for interventions in Syria(assad government) and Ukraine(russians in crimea and russian speaking people in donbas)
If however there’s an attempt of genocide against turks in libya then i hope those nukes stored in incirlik will be thrown on haftar

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1204549384496648197

 

[Oublious]

The first thing that will happen if Turkey sends troops to Libya will be that probably Russians will join the war directly shortly after the same way they did in Syria. After that it is game over as they out power Turkey and also hold it by the balls as main energy supplier and a main tourist market that brings fresh cash for Turkey’s tourism.

After Russia the Egyptians and other Arabs can directly join the war too. I won’t be surprised if even France joins their side as they support Haftar and Macron acts as Putin’s BFF in the last weeks too.

Russia can not join the war directly, neither can America or other state like Egypt. In the end GNA is offically state of Libya. We can send fighters if it is needed and they ask.

 

[Ansu fati]

The first thing that will happen if Turkey sends troops to Libya will be that probably Russians will join the war directly shortly after the same way they did in Syria. After that it is game over as they out power Turkey and also hold it by the balls as main energy supplier and a main tourist market that brings fresh cash for Turkey’s tourism.

After Russia the Egyptians and other Arabs can directly join the war too. I won’t be surprised if even France joins their side as they support Haftar and Macron acts as Putin’s BFF in the last weeks too.

First of all those mentioned arab states are participating already only egypt joining in the conflict could matter if you ask me why i will tell you uae saudi or other gcc countries don’t have relevant capabilities most importantly they cannot be effective egypt can but only because it’s libya’s neighbour but queation remains how much will egypt be competent of course this is first scenario if arab countries decide to intervene on their own if they have france or russia then probably haftar would win but will he bring stability?? I highly doubt and after mali fiasco I don’t think that france would offer substantial forces and equipment as for russia well if they intervene against gna the internationally recognized government then all their gains in syria will be destroyed turkey signed a deal just to have a reason to block oil exploitation in East Mediterranean Also important thing is that russia cannot blackmail with gas because turkey has successfully found new source of gas besides if they block gas to turkey then automatically they lose the european market in eastern southern and central europe so this talk about gas is not valid anymore maybe 5 years ago yes but now isn’t as for the black sea turkey has legal right to close the strait if istanbul region is declared as war zone if there is war between states the black sea region and if the turkey is threatened or in war by a black sea state in this theoretical case russia ALSO TURKISH TOURISM IS BOOMING THERE WERE TERROR ATTACKS BACK IN 2015 AND 2016 A LOT OF TOURISTS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES STOPPED COMING BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE RUSSIA AS THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON WHY THERE WAS CRISIS IN THE TOURISM SECTOR ANYWAY THERE ARE 50 MILION THIS YEAR AND BY 2023 THERE WILL BE 70 MILION I DON’T THINK THAT 6 MILION TOURIST WHO SPENT VERY LITTLE WILL BE MISSED
But of course neither russia nor turkey would risk their relationship for a criminal wannabe 74 year old warlord russia doesn’t want energy competitors from east med(that means they are not going to shoot themself in the foot) and all we know that only libya is left without pro-us/israel energy plans in the Mediterranean

 

[Deliorman]

Russia can not join the war directly, neither can America or other state like Egypt. In the end GNA is offically state of Libya. We can send fighters if it is needed and they ask.

By that logic- “We are invited by the official Government and they are not” we can also say that Turkey has nothing to do in Syria or Iraq too but yet we are there.

Libya (like Yemen or Syria, Iraq and Somalia where we and many other nations are present) is a failed state where international, national or basic human rules doesn’t matter. If Russia wants they will get involved directly and nothing can stop them.

 

[Arabic_Ottoman]

By that logic- “We are invited by the official Government and they are not” we can also say that Turkey has nothing to do in Syria or Iraq too but yet we are there.

Libya (like Yemen or Syria, Iraq and Somalia where we and many other nations are present) is a failed state where international, national or basic human rules doesn’t matter. If Russia wants they will get involved directly and nothing can stop them.

Nope

1- According to Adana Agreement, Turkey has the right to secure its security, plus the moment a rocket launched against Turkey and struck a Turkish town from the Syrian side, it's a green signal to intervene.

2- The Iraqi case: Bashiqa Base is a result of an agreement between Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioğlu, before that Turkey had a Border Security Cooperation Agreement with Iraq in the 1980s that allowed to chase after terrorists within Iraq.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Well this bastard will be hanged if he tries to do something in Misrata
Now Turkey has two reasons for military intervention in Libya:
1.To protect the oil rights of Libya Turkey and TRNC but also the protection the legitimate government of Libya
2.To protect its ethnic brethren in Misrata
You know what’s interesting Russia had the same reasons for interventions in Syria(assad government) and Ukraine(russians in crimea and russian speaking people in donbas)
If however there’s an attempt of genocide against turks in libya then i hope those nukes stored in incirlik will be thrown on haftar

No and No.
Libya isn't Syria or Cyprus.
The "anti-Turkic" speech of a noman on twitter is equal to zero... and his speech was mostly toward Misrata pro TR stance... no really an ethnic driven attack... as "They are siding with Tr then they are Turks now..."

Russia can not join the war directly, neither can America or other state like Egypt. In the end GNA is officially state of Libya. We can send fighters if it is needed and they ask.

They can. It's whoever is willing to sacrifice money and blood for the little influence and headache they could get.

And Last to whoever get the "Intervention Dream"... This isn't Syria where no state around can move in... Libya is far from Turkey zone of intervention... this isn't next door on land...
Second... Right now... Every one around Libya aren't getting in... because of the limited "External" Intervention in the country...
BUT the moment a country decide to fully get in with soldiers and all that goes with it... it will be the green light for everyone... Egypt/Algeria/TN/UAE/RU/USA/EU etc... And it wouldn't be a small walk in the park... Everyone will run for that 4th World Oil reserve...

So guys... Do not wish for something you may regret... Deal with Syria first.. that is 100x time easier than the Potential Libyan headache...

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

No and No.
Libya isn't Syria or Cyprus.
The "anti-Turkic" speech of a noman on twitter is equal to zero... and his speech was mostly toward Misrata pro TR stance... no really an ethnic driven attack... as "They are siding with Tr then they are Turks now..."


They can. It's whoever is willing to sacrifice money and blood for the little influence and headache they could get.

And Last to whoever get the "Intervention Dream"... This isn't Syria where no state around can move in... Libya is far from Turkey zone of intervention... this isn't next door on land...
Second... Right now... Every one around Libya aren't getting in... because of the limited "External" Intervention in the country...
BUT the moment a country decide to fully get in with soldiers and all that goes with it... it will be the green light for everyone... Egypt/Algeria/TN/UAE/RU/USA/EU etc... And it wouldn't be a small walk in the park... Everyone will run for that 4th World Oil reserve...

So guys... Do not wish for something you may regret... Deal with Syria first.. that is 100x time easier than the Potential Libyan headache...

This. Let's first deal with YPG/PKK. We should not overstretch ourselves. Some people here have called for sending more troops to not only Libya but to Qatar... this would be stupid. Our soldiers are way more competent than our enemies, yes. However when we are so far away from home we will be sitting ducks.

We need to keep building up our navy. Luckily our first helicopter carrier will be ready by next year, so that will really boost our force projection. One of those backed by a group of supporting ships will allow us to carry our operations anywhere in the middle east.

 

[MMM-E]

Nobody can attack to the UN recognized Government of National Accord (GNA) , Russia or France , doesnt matter

-- Russia can not lose Turkey ... and Libya is not Syria .. the UN recognized Government is GNA , not LNA
-- The EU ( France ) sucked in NATO summit and Turkey can send 3,5 million Syrian refugees into the EU
-- The Uae , Egypt are so pathetic and no military capability to fight with Turkey
-- Smart Israel can use Haftar , Greece , the Uae , Egypt as toilet paper . nothing else

Turkish Airforce is ready to be in Libya in hours to kick lapdog Haftar and his ugly smelly terrorists

Turkey signed a defense agreement on Nov. 27 aimed at strengthening forces controlled by Libyan Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj’s government in Tripoli, as the Libyan capital comes under attack from eastern based Khalifa Haftar

also Governments of Turkey and Libya struck deal on Nov. 27 setting out their maritime boundaries in Eastern Mediterranean region

According to the US Geological Survey, the Mediterranean region is estimated to boast millions of barrels of oil and trillions of cubic meters of natural gas, worth hundreds of billions of dollars

Turkey is ready for conflict to protect its rights in the Eastern Mediterranean ... but others never can fight - therefore they use HAFTAR as toilet paper

so Russia can not fight in Libya , stop dreaming ... Russia is not toilet paper of the US , Israel and France

 

[Elvin]

The war in Libya is a true representation of how the international community is two faced and cannot be trusted. We know this best in Bosnia (fighting two fronts and having the international community place an embargo on our army). For example, you have NATO and EU split between who supports who, yet they work together and laugh behind closed doors. It is sad to see what happens when a state fails and is left to the mercy of the international community.

 

[HannibalBarca]

The war in Libya is a true representation of how the international community is two faced and cannot be trusted. We know this best in Bosnia (fighting two fronts and having the international community place an embargo on our army). For example, you have NATO and EU split between who supports who, yet they work together and laugh behind closed doors. It is sad to see what happens when a state fails and is left to the mercy of the international community.

What can you do when Muslims can't put their Trivial differences for the greater of good... Whatever it's the Arabs/Turks/PAK etc...
Added to it... many brainless sheep who seems to find some "Fun" in pushing for fitna... as if it's YT comment sections...

 

[MKALE1]

This. Let's first deal with YPG/PKK. We should not overstretch ourselves. Some people here have called for sending more troops to not only Libya but to Qatar... this would be stupid. Our soldiers are way more competent than our enemies, yes. However when we are so far away from home we will be sitting ducks.

We need to keep building up our navy. Luckily our first helicopter carrier will be ready by next year, so that will really boost our force projection. One of those backed by a group of supporting ships will allow us to carry our operations anywhere in the middle east.

This is not stupid. if you are not involved, others will control there. and then you will have to face bigger problems. Thank to God we dont have rulers like you.

 

[Agha Sher]

This is not stupid. if you are not involved, others will control there. and then you will have to face bigger problems. Thank to God we dont have rulers like you.

I agree with your point, but as Turkey is taking a more geopolitical role, she should be careful not to overstretch itself and her resources.

Turkey's current economy is not in great shape and has not even reached a trillion USD (indicates something about industrial capacity). Furthermore, Turkey has troops deployed to Bosnia, Somalia, Qatar, Cyprus, and Syria. These deployments are consuming valuable and scarce funds, which the Turkish military could use to modernize itself. Turkey has recently diverted more capital to the military, which is problematic as the capital would be better spent in R&D and education (leading to long-term development).

That being said, Turkey cannot afford to lose Tripoli and Misrata. I suggest getting involved enough to keep a status quo with to capital intensive ground deployments in Lybia.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey's current economy is not in great shape and has not even reached a trillion USD (indicates something about industrial capacity).

Qatar is with Turkey and Qatar has great money
even every year Turkey gives $7 billion to muslim countries for humanitirian aid
Turkey has enough money to protect its national interests in the region

btw Turkey has the 13th biggest GDP PPP ( $2,2 trillion ) in the World after Italy
and Turkish Economy under attack by the US since 2013 .. 1 USD has risen to 5,7 Turkish Lira from 1,8 TL
Turkish currency dropped by 300% between 2013 and 2018. if not , now Turkey would have minimum $1,5 trillion of GDP Nominal

 

[HannibalBarca]

Qatar is with Turkey and Qatar has great money
even every year Turkey gives $7 billion to muslim countries for humanitirian aid
Turkey has enough money to protect its national interests in the region

btw Turkey has the 13th biggest GDP PPP ( $2,2 trillion ) in the World after Italy
and Turkish Economy under attack by the US since 2013 .. 1 USD has risen to 5,7 Turkish Lira from 1,8 TL
Turkish currency dropped by 300% between 2013 and 2018. if not , now Turkey would have minimum $1,5 trillion of GDP Nominal

The problem with TR intervention is not her military capabilities or her money or international support... Her Weakness is... her own people... You guys are the weakness...
We saw it with Syrian involvement... Where when things started... the pop was ok... but at the first sign of problems(money/death/refugees) you guys started to voice your concern to the point of political reshuffle/Coup...

And till this day... TR problem in Syria is the pop mood... And Libya is not Syria... Syria in comparison is a walk in the park...
Even here on PDF... you can see the odds of such action...