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Anything that is relevant to create a fifth gen fighter. India is struggling to create a fourth gen fighter. It needs all the help it can get.
Details of India's 5th Gen AMCA Technology Demonstrator: NGTD
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Anything that is relevant to create a fifth gen fighter. India is struggling to create a fourth gen fighter. It needs all the help it can get.
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So you're just blabbering then.
Perhaps we will change the already confirmed basic design to look like the heavy totally different PAKFA.
Or maybe we'll ask GE to turn F414 or ask RR to change their future Indian IP engine or ask Safran to change Kaveri all into Izdeliye30.
Or perhaps beg Israel and UTTAM team to turn their AESA into Byelka.
You see, we'll take components from all over and India itself through tech transfer or not. Operating a 5th gen will contribute, but to say that its tech is necessary is the dumbest thing.
I guess we can also ask DRDO to scratch the RAM coating and stealth radome they developed 5 years ago. PAKFA tech all the way.
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Well, it's a great sign they're looking for suppliers for it's modules(major and sub) already.
Should expect the big names like L&T, TATA, etc. aero arms and smallers, but competent ones, like Dynamic tech, VEM, etc.
The first program to give major modules to the private sector is India's very own Tejas, with the private sector starting this year supplying to HAL everything from wings, center fuselage, etc. HAL for the first time is the lead integrator, tester.
Eventually, the TATAs, L&Ts, etc. will become the lead integrators. The single engined bird and the airbus transport will see TATA as a lead integrator.
Integration of India's up and coming private sector in the defence sector is a must. Liberation of this sector is going at a good enough pace.
Should expect the big names like L&T, TATA, etc. aero arms and smallers, but competent ones, like Dynamic tech, VEM, etc.
The first program to give major modules to the private sector is India's very own Tejas, with the private sector starting this year supplying to HAL everything from wings, center fuselage, etc. HAL for the first time is the lead integrator, tester.
Eventually, the TATAs, L&Ts, etc. will become the lead integrators. The single engined bird and the airbus transport will see TATA as a lead integrator.
Integration of India's up and coming private sector in the defence sector is a must. Liberation of this sector is going at a good enough pace.
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On Similar lines of Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin
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Hopefully not like Shinshin, which is now dead.
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IAF speeds up hunt for new fighter jets to add muscle
The Indian Air Force will invite proposals in a month, link purchase with building of indigenous stealth jet.
India floated a global tender for 126 planes more than a decade ago but it was cancelled after PM Narendra Modi declared in 2015 that India would directly buy 36 Rafale jets from France.(Dassault Aviation)
Updated: Mar 11, 2018 22:44 IST
By Rahul Singh, Hindustan Times, New Delhi
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is likely to start the process of inviting foreign military contractors to build fighter jets in the country under the government’s Make in India plan in the next four weeks , a person familiar with the project said.
This multi-billion-dollar project to build 114 jets will be “directly linked” to the development of an indigenous futuristic stealth fighter – the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), the person added.
The air force plans to issue a request for information (RFI) before DefExpo-2018 — a military systems exhibition by the defence ministry — opens in Chennai on April 11.
“The document will not specify the number of engines the jets should have, leaving the field open for makers of both single- and twin-engine planes,” said the person who asked not to be named.
An earlier plan involved pursuing two separate projects to build single-engine and twin-engine fighters in India but that distinction has been discarded now.
The RFI is the first step towards finding a new warplane for the air force and global plane manufacturers will respond to it with operational features and technical parameters of their platforms. That will pave the way for the air force to make a case for getting the ministry’s ‘acceptance of necessity’ (AoN) – the government’s stamp of approval to pursue a military programme.
“After the AoN comes, we could either opt for a government-to-government deal or put out a tender. Both options are open at this stage,” said a senior officer tracking the air force’s modernisation on the condition of anonymity.
The manufacturer that India finally decides to collaborate with will have to commit to transfer of technology not only for the fighter to be built in India but also for the AMCA that is on the drawing board.
“We have asked the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to prepare a list of technologies they need help with for the AMCA. There will be clear clause on the transfer of those technologies in the contract,” said the officer quoted above.
Experts say the full-scale engineering development of the AMCA up to the prototype stage will take upwards of a decade and its flight first could take place around 2030.
India had floated a global tender for 126 planes more than a decade ago but it was cancelled after Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared in April 2015 that India would directly buy 36 Rafale jets from France.
Six fighters took part in that contest before the Rafale and the Eurofighter made it to the last round.
The new competition is also likely to be among Rafale, Eurofighter, MiG-35, F/A-18, F-16 and Gripen.
“The technology has evolved during the past decade. In their present form, F/A-18 and Gripen NG would not have been rejected in the older contest,” the officer said.
The air force wants to speed up the project as the count of its fighter squadrons has shrunk to 31 compared to an optimum strength of 42-plus units required to fight a two-front war.
The Indian Air Force will invite proposals in a month, link purchase with building of indigenous stealth jet.
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India floated a global tender for 126 planes more than a decade ago but it was cancelled after PM Narendra Modi declared in 2015 that India would directly buy 36 Rafale jets from France.(Dassault Aviation)
Updated: Mar 11, 2018 22:44 IST
By Rahul Singh, Hindustan Times, New Delhi
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is likely to start the process of inviting foreign military contractors to build fighter jets in the country under the government’s Make in India plan in the next four weeks , a person familiar with the project said.
This multi-billion-dollar project to build 114 jets will be “directly linked” to the development of an indigenous futuristic stealth fighter – the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), the person added.
The air force plans to issue a request for information (RFI) before DefExpo-2018 — a military systems exhibition by the defence ministry — opens in Chennai on April 11.
“The document will not specify the number of engines the jets should have, leaving the field open for makers of both single- and twin-engine planes,” said the person who asked not to be named.
An earlier plan involved pursuing two separate projects to build single-engine and twin-engine fighters in India but that distinction has been discarded now.
The RFI is the first step towards finding a new warplane for the air force and global plane manufacturers will respond to it with operational features and technical parameters of their platforms. That will pave the way for the air force to make a case for getting the ministry’s ‘acceptance of necessity’ (AoN) – the government’s stamp of approval to pursue a military programme.
“After the AoN comes, we could either opt for a government-to-government deal or put out a tender. Both options are open at this stage,” said a senior officer tracking the air force’s modernisation on the condition of anonymity.
The manufacturer that India finally decides to collaborate with will have to commit to transfer of technology not only for the fighter to be built in India but also for the AMCA that is on the drawing board.
“We have asked the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to prepare a list of technologies they need help with for the AMCA. There will be clear clause on the transfer of those technologies in the contract,” said the officer quoted above.
Experts say the full-scale engineering development of the AMCA up to the prototype stage will take upwards of a decade and its flight first could take place around 2030.
India had floated a global tender for 126 planes more than a decade ago but it was cancelled after Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared in April 2015 that India would directly buy 36 Rafale jets from France.
Six fighters took part in that contest before the Rafale and the Eurofighter made it to the last round.
The new competition is also likely to be among Rafale, Eurofighter, MiG-35, F/A-18, F-16 and Gripen.
“The technology has evolved during the past decade. In their present form, F/A-18 and Gripen NG would not have been rejected in the older contest,” the officer said.
The air force wants to speed up the project as the count of its fighter squadrons has shrunk to 31 compared to an optimum strength of 42-plus units required to fight a two-front war.
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Whos incharge of production? HAL?
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HAL is not the manufacturer this time, HAL is gonna be the lead integrator. Production would be taken care by L&T, TATA, Godrej etc.
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2025 foe tejas .... by then project AZM will inshallah be in full swing
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ADA calls for Professional Consultants, with references to AMCA and Tejas Mk2:
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- India is planning to launch a programme to develop a stealth fighter named Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), according to Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman.
In a written reply to a question in the Lok Sabha, she said the feasibility study for the programme has been already completed.
"The Indian Air Force suggested Aeronautical Development Agency of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to initiate AMCA technology demonstration phase before launching full scale engineering development," she said.
The state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd(HAL) has already developed a range of military choppers besides a Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) called Tejas.
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