Destabilising Pakistan, the Musharraf connection.

[Kompromat]

Destabilising Pakistan ​

Musharraf’s return may fit into the ongoing destabilisation efforts of Pakistan. On the other hand, he may on his own, apart from Washington’s directives. Considering the scant media attention on his return, this is probably accurate.

Relations with the West have been increasingly strained in the past number of years. Previous to this, Pakistan, like Saudi Arabia, was supportive of Afghanistan’s Taliban. Musharraf was an obedient puppet. As soon as Washington declared the Taliban an enemy, he followed suit. This has created much internal strife in the country. The United States however have much influence due to the billions of American tax dollars that go to Pakistan. Of course, this aid (like much of the aid handed out all over the world) is a way to funnel large sums of tax dollars into the hands of arms sellers and private contractors. There are undoubtedly a significant number of powerful Pakistanis, both in the military and outside the military that benefit from this aid; it certainly does buy influence.

Public relations between Pakistan and the West have been deteriorating and continue to do so. Fractures and strains both domestically and internationally make Pakistan a very unstable situation. Pakistan has been showing increasing levels of disobedience and Western politicians and media are openly critical and suspicious of that government. Mike Mullen, past chair of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that “The Haqqani network...acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence Agency” and blamed them for an attack on the American Embassy in Kabul.

This level of distrust of the Haqqani group and its concomitant distrust of Pakistan government places Pakistan on the very same ground as Syria, Gaddafi’s Libya, or any state that does not fit with Washington’s long term goals and objectives. Drone strikes continue unabated in Pakistan, further exacerbating already strained relations. The blatant and widely boasted murder of Osama bin laden has not helped the situation.

The likelihood that Pakistan will remain stable over the next decade is remote. Pakistan is armed with nukes. If the USA needs a Saudi king, the need is no greater than in Pakistan.

The Saudi Model

 

[Argus Panoptes]

The last paragraph from the article given above is perhaps the most interesting:

The Saudi Model

To accept the idea that the United States would be as ruthless and irresponsible as this article suggests would suggest something beyond scepticism regarding Uncle Sam. It would suggest something beyond cynicism. It would suggest a belief that the USA, NATO, and many of its allies conspire to buy leaders in the Muslim world and pay them to work against their own people. It further suggests that they have no qualms about waging war, killing scores of innocent civilians, and oppressing whole regions of the world in order to eventually control them.

That sounds about right.

Welcome to the real world!

 

[airmarshal]

Looking at how Musharraf is being treated, do you think he can become a leader? Even if he does, this time around he will be extremely controversial.

I accept that American aid is used to destabilize countries as it never reaches the people and stays in the hands of powerful generals or hand picked politicians with whom its used to buy influence.

At the same time, article is also pointing that Pakistan's relations with west are increasingly strained and that it has become disobedient!

The two narratives are parallel. You cant be accepting aid and be disobedient too.

Whoever sticks with Musharraf in this scenario will be marked for death. Even if army stands by its former commander, it will stand to lose credibility as it did in the last few months of Musharraf's rule.

Musharraf's crimes are just too many. He is extremely controversial and I dont agree with the article premise that he has been sent create confusion. His handlers, if he has them, will be extremely naive to think like that.

 

[W.11]

the problem of pakistanis is they have short term memories, so lets educate them about how musharras 'stabilised' pakistan

1) first of all he established the true democracy in pakistan, PMLQ government was the first democratic govt in pak history to complete its five year term

2) he introduced the local body system which was non existant before the PMLN and PPP time

3) he introduced the free media to pakistan again non existant before mush time where ony the governmental propaganda channel PTV existed

4) he established a running economy, the foreign investment was pouring in and mega projects in major pak cities were planned and processed

5) america forgave vast amounts of pakistan debts which was made in nawaz time

6) our economy developed at the rate of 8% till 2005 and than 6% till 2008

i know the guy did many bad mistakes but he was the guy who actually stabilised many things in pakistan, and not destabilised the things

 

[Vinod2070]

So what is Musharraf in reality?

A saviour of Pakistan or a sellout?

Such deep polarization! No middle ground at all?

 

[Kompromat]

So what is Musharraf in reality?

A saviour of Pakistan or a sellout?

Such deep polarization! No middle ground at all?

* NRO = USA
* Exile = UK
* Return = KSA

He has nothing of his own to offer. He will go down in Pakistan's history as a sell out.

 

[Vinod2070]

* NRO = USA
* Exile = UK
* Return = KSA

He has nothing of his own to offer. He will go down in Pakistan's history as a sell out.

That is one side of the extreme that we see here.

OTOH, there are many people here who are open supporters and think he is the only one patriot among all choices available.

Anyway, KSA acts as an arm of USA as far as these issues are concerned. It is not an independent player for the most part, just a henchman.

Same is probably true for UK.

So you have just one player that is involved here.

 

[Kompromat]

That is one side of the extreme that we see here.

OTOH, there are many people here who are open supporters and think he is the only one patriot among all choices available.

Anyway, KSA acts as an arm of USA as far as these issues are concerned. It is not an independent player for the most part, just a henchman.

Same is probably true for UK.

So you have just one player that is involved here.

They want a puppet,whoever is willing to become one.

 

[Vinod2070]

They want a puppet,whoever is willing to become one.

So isn't Imran Khan the only choice left who is not a puppet?

 

[KRAIT]

So Musharraff is US agent ?

 

[hmirza]

So isn't Imran Khan the only choice left who is not a puppet?

Yes Imran and Sunjay Datt both!

 

[hmirza]

...1) first of all he established the true democracy in pakistan, PMLQ government was the first democratic govt in pak history to

complete its five year term

True democratic Govt? YOU HIGH?
PMLQ was Pervaiz Musharaf... and thats the only reason it completed its term! Remember bloody Chauhdary's "aik bar nahi das bar wardi mein muntakhib karaingay" comment... off course they completed 5 years!

2) he introduced the local body system which was non existant before the PMLN and PPP time

He introduced squat!
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3) he introduced the free media to pakistan again non existant before mush time where ony the governmental propaganda channel PTV existed

That was one of many of his desperate attempts to seem liberal... Why are you forgetting what he did to this same free media afterwords!

4) he established a running economy, the foreign investment was pouring in and mega projects in major pak cities were planned and processed

5) america forgave vast amounts of pakistan debts which was made in nawaz time

6) our economy developed at the rate of 8% till 2005 and than 6% till 2008

All of these are interrelated so let me address them together.
He sold us out to US and the "running economy" was a bubble that lasted only as long as OUR BLOOD MONEY lasted!
You must be 17 or something.... have you forgotten the lines for wheat floor... the bloody load-shedding... outrageous inflation... ILLOGICAL land price hikes created by Riaz Malik & Co (and you know who the Co is... its not Zardari or NS that much I can hint!)

 

[W.11]

True democratic Govt? YOU HIGH?
PMLQ was Pervaiz Musharaf... and thats the only reason it completed its term! Remember bloody Chauhdary's "aik bar nahi das bar muntakhib karaingay"

comment... off course they completed 5 years!


He introduced squat!
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That was one of many of his desperate attempts to seem liberal... Why are you forgetting what he did to this same free media afterwords!







All of these are interrelated so let me address them together.
He sold us out to US and the "running economy" was a bubble that lasted only as long as OUR BLOOD MONEY lasted!
You must be 17 or something.... have you forgotten the lines for wheat floor... the bloody load-shedding... outrageous inflation... ILLOGICAL land price hikes created by Riaz Malik & Co (and you know who the Co is... its not Zardari or NS that much I can hint!)

and you must be what 12?

1) if what chaudry shujaat said what real then the PMLQ must be ruling still today but the so called democratic alliance came to pakistan and PMLQ got defeated or pervez musharraf had been ruling for years with his whim and he must have been ousted by protest or long march or something like husne mubarak

3) desparate attemot to be liberal, guy you are out of your tiny brain, whats with freeing media being liberal, next what? development is being liberal, come on man get some common sense, ever tasted PTV days and who the government monopolised the thoughts and minds of people?

4) you say blood money but the same blood money in PPP days was used where? in the zardari house, where is the same economy, and where is all the development, ohh yeah, democracy, congratulations for that

the wheat crises was not because musharraf wanted it to happen but i happened because of PMLQ who had their sugar mills and they wanted to cash on the crises

about load shedding, it should have been solved yes but atleast it wasnt so much worse in his days then now a days, what did so called democratic government do to eliminate load shedding? nothing, so please nigga dont talk like that

 

[DGMO]

Destabilising Pakistan ​

Musharraf’s return may fit into the ongoing destabilisation efforts of Pakistan. On the other hand, he may on his own, apart from Washington’s directives. Considering the scant media attention on his return, this is probably accurate.

A nothing article, from a nothing publication, written by a coal miner with little credentials.

And you just need the above opening paragraph to determine that. Is it one or the other Archie? Do you know or don't you? All conjecture and a load of nonsense.

Throw in the standard 'nukes' mention, and that rounds of a 'Pakistan + destabilisation' story nicely.

 

[pakdefender]

Musharraf destablized and dividied Pakistan like never before , he's just the man that Pakistan's enemies need.

When push came to shove Musharraf not only gave in to all demands that were put before him by the United States he went a step further. He allowed america's monitoring of Pakistan nuclear weapons, he rolled back the support for Kashmir's freedom , he inflamed provincial politics , the list of his misdeeds is very long

United States doesnt really understand Pakistan , they hate us but they dont understand us ... to start with Mush was their blue eyed boy , then he fell out with them and they thought that by bringing in PPP they'll be able to get all that they want but Zardari proved to be far more crafty then they thought

Now they think that what they had Musarraf was a better deal for their objectives and again they want him back , what they dont understand that things are not the same for Musharraf .. on the question of Musharraf's come back to power the answer is another question ... him and what army ?

I think the military will only come to his aid if he is getting his clothes torn in public just to save him and the Military the blushes of an ex Pak Army COAS getting humiliated.

Pakistan is yet again in flux .. the decesions for Pakistans future are being made in Washington , Riyadh , London and Dubai .. Pakistanis themselves have no control over these decesions.