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Dems threaten Pakistan over jet delivery

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Blk 52s aren't rusty equipment
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without spare parts they will be rusty.unless you can gurantee it that americans will supply parts all the times.

You mean taking on the talibans and other extremists wouldnt have been initated if there was no US pressure?
Extremist u say osama bin laden was trained by the Americans.not pakistanies do u no what his training was cause i sure the hell dont.and he was trainined By CIA.at Langley virginia.

A blind man can hear that but a deaf man cant
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yeah my exapmle fell on some ones deaf ears.pay attention to what i said let me spell it out for you.

double standerd by Americans is so big.that even blind can see it.
deaf can hear it.
But thanx to you know i no blind can hear and deaf cant.i did not no that.Man i feel so small now.
 
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Dude there is no other choice, its a whole political game.

Pakistan cant deny US right know, we r not in such position so as many other countries except couple like France or China to say.
Have a look at N-koreans what they did and similar thing is gonna happen with Iran as well, they are gonna back-off from their nuclear program. Before it was the western world trying to stop them now this time the muslim world pushing hard on iran to abonden their nuke thing. Pakistan is the one whose trying as hard as any other, because it has all sort of reasons, i dont wanna go into details here, the recent visit of saudi king, plus just few hrs ago musharaf hiself made a phone call to iran's president, why? All politics my friend all politics.:rolleyes: So, Pakistan is fully aware of the situation.........Grab what ever you can (F-16's) quickly and consider ur safety 1st, is the policy here. By the way, i am also one of the few against this F-16's deal.:angel:

Its always easy to say and watch.........:disagree:

so when do u think we will be in position to say any thing.After they make us into as advance as afghanistan or Africa.
Iranians are not going to abandon there nukes.this should have been clear to you by now.

reason you dont wanna get into here it is.

Musharraf: From favorite to fall guy
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad's eight-hour trip to Saudi Arabia last weekend to meet with King Abdullah dealt a body blow to US efforts to drive a wedge between the Persians and the Arabs. Plans to create a Sunni bloc to isolate and oppose an Iran-dominated Shi'ite "crescent" have also been derailed.

And Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf has come out of the whole episode with egg on his face.

Lieutenant-General Hamid Gul, a former head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence who maintains close ties with Riyadh and Tehran, told Asia Times Online that he believes Musharraf's meddling in Middle Eastern affairs has further isolated the general.
Apart from anything else, Ahmadinejad's visit rattled some nerves in Jerusalem. Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni commented, "Ahmadinejad is a leader who denies the Holocaust, who tells the Jews to go back to Europe, talks of a vision of wiping Israel off the map. He should not be accepted as a member of the international community. Now he is being received in Saudi Arabia."

Over the past few months, Pakistan, a founder member of the United States' axis against terrorism formed after September 11, 2001, has emerged as a new proxy for Washington on the world stage.

Islamabad recently hosted a meeting of the foreign ministers of six other members of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia - Sunni Muslim countries subscribing to what Musharraf calls "enlightened moderation". This came after Musharraf had visited the pro-American states of the Persian Gulf and the Middle East.

The formation of this core group was a Saudi idea, which included the formation of a multinational Muslim peacekeeping force from OIC countries. But Pakistan's spin on a resolution of the Palestinian issue was sensed by all, including Saudi Arabia, as a US ploy, and very quickly the dynamics of the game changed.

"The immense popularity of the Iranian president and Hezbollah's Hasan Nasrullah among Arab youths was a matter of concern for Arab monarchs, but it does not mean that they will be part of any American designs in the Middle East," Gul told Asia Times Online.

"The entire Saudi plan of a peacekeeping force and resolution of the Israel-Palestine conflict was one perspective, but the Americans tried to hijack the plan through Egypt and Pakistan," Gul said.

"The spirit of the Saudi Middle East peace plan was the three-point agenda of King Abdullah when he was crown prince in which he demanded that Israel withdraw to its position before 1967 [the Six Day War]. Jerusalem would be the capital of the Palestinian state. If these demands were accepted, Israel would be accepted as a secular democratic state in the Middle East. But the Israelis did not accept all these points.

"That was the crux of the whole matter, but the Americans meddled through Pakistan and Egypt and hijacked the whole agenda by turning it into [creating] a Sunni bloc and the recognition of Israel. The scheme was exposed because of General Pervez Musharraf's haste when, during his Middle Eastern visit, he held a press conference in the UAE [United Arab Emirates] and said that Israel is a reality and it would be better for it to be recognized by the Islamic world. This exposed the designs for a 'Sunni bloc' to cater to the American agenda.

"Arab leaders were stunned by Musharraf's remarks, and King Abdullah went out of his way in a newspaper interview to embarrass Musharraf by saying that Palestine is purely 'our' issue and nobody needs to meddle in the area with their own agenda," Gul said.

Gul maintains that the theory of creating a Shi'ite-Sunni divide was developed by US think-tanks such as the Rand Corporation and is a figment of their imagination.

"The Iranians never tried to export Shi'ite ideology. The reasons for sectarian tensions are different and purely local in each society. Imam [ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini was completely against the idea of concentrating on the Shi'ite school [of Islam] and once said that as Shi'ites were 6% of the whole Muslim ummah, if Iran tried to concentrate on Shi'ites only, it would not work. Al-Qaeda is also pan-Islamist, and pan-Islamists would never go for a narrow definition of their ideologies like Salafism," said Gul.

"Any US aggression on Iran would be a litmus test of pan-Islamism, and jihadis all over the world would join hands with Iran against America. And Iran never back-stabbed al-Qaeda. Pakistan has caught over 700 al-Qaeda members and handed them over to the Americans. The Iranians did not hand anybody to the Americans. Osama bin Laden's families crossed through Iran, Saiful Adil and other important al-Qaeda leaders crossed through Iran, and nobody was bothered, because Iran is a follower of pan-Islamicism and not of any narrow sectarian definition," said Gul.

"The whole American scheme has been exposed, and Musharraf and [Egyptian President] Hosni Mubarak fell flat on their faces after the Iranian president was received with open arms in Riyadh. Now Musharraf should sort out his options, as he has already lost his Afghan card to the Americans and his significance is only to guard against Pakistan's nuclear arsenal falling into anybody's hand who would use it against Israel," Gul said.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IC08Df01.html
 
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Nah, Reason for interference is lots of arms and equipments which pakistan receives comes as aid to fight terrorists.

ha ha ha you mean few used cobras or satellite phones will help us fight a war with India.Americans have said it very clearly that they will not provide any thing that will tilt the balance of military in Asia.yet they are willing to sell any thing to india.Double standerds weather pakistanies wanna hear it or not its there.they can close there eyes as most here will suggest it or they can do some thing about it.
 
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Democrats are a bunch of anti Pakistan weenies. Scrap the F-16 order, locate other hardware and just ignore these idiotic morons.
 
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you see if the americans are helping our enemy they are not our friend.

On June 28, Indian Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee met with Rumsfeld to sign the U.S.-India Defense Relationship Agreement, which gives India access to sophisticated missile technology under the guise of aiding its space program.

This is just 1 of the countless examples Americans are providing help to India.yet Pakistan is suppose to put up its personals to take a bullet for the Americans.For or few rusted out f16s. we are expected to create a civil war with in our country.let them use our land to attack another Muslim country.while being treated like a reject.i don't think so.while there NATO members are not lending more then word support.look at Australia whats the support Howard is providing.yet he will get all goodies.double standards all the way.even a blind and def person could see and hear that.


Get over other Muslim nation thingie, a nation cares about itself.
So if the Americans give you the B-2 instead of the rusty F-16, you ready to make a civil war in your country. Learn that double standards is the way of the world. Its not the faults of the Americans, ofcourse they will try to take advantage, its your leaders fault, they should have drawn the red line and said NO. Aussie PM is staunch ally, and they dont get stuff free. Why do you always want stuff free? Cant you see the crazy talibs and balochi's are trying to break up Pakistan, it is in your interest too. Whatever bad happening wrong in Pakistan is not the fault of Bush but rather Mushraff, cuz he let it happen.
 
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Get over other Muslim nation thingie, a nation cares about itself.
So if the Americans give you the B-2 instead of the rusty F-16, you ready to make a civil war in your country. Learn that double standards is the way of the world. Its not the faults of the Americans, ofcourse they will try to take advantage, its your leaders fault, they should have drawn the red line and said NO. Aussie PM is staunch ally, and they dont get stuff free. Why do you always want stuff free? Cant you see the crazy talibs and balochi's are trying to break up Pakistan, it is in your interest too. Whatever bad happening wrong in Pakistan is not the fault of Bush but rather Mushraff, cuz he let it happen.

OK where did u read that i want stuff for free.second other Muslim countries thing you say its called united we stand alone we fall.get over Muslims nation thingie u say.so we cant have a united stand like NATO.that option not being available to India off course you don't see the importance of it.not all the Bloch's are fighting for independence.just a sardar or 2 that have lost and are losing there grips over people.Talibans are afghani and they are not asking for independence from Pakistan.If you were to pay attention to my posts i have always wish and ask for self reliance.i guess Democrats are mushrafs fault.people in USA vote as mushy tells them to do so give me a break.whats happening in Pakistan thats wrong.excellent things are happening in Pakistan our economy is coming around just fine we are investing heavily in infrastructure.government is creating investor friendly policies and as a businessman i couldn't be happier.topic is how Democrats are threatening Pakistan with stoppage of military hardware.but you are talking about what s happening in pakistan couldnt be far from the topic.
 
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OK where did u read that i want stuff for free.second other Muslim countries thing you say its called united we stand alone we fall.get over Muslims nation thingie u say.so we cant have a united stand like NATO.that option not being available to India off course you don't see the importance of it.not all the Bloch's are fighting for independence.just a sardar or 2 that have lost and are losing there grips over people.Talibans are afghani and they are not asking for independence from Pakistan.If you were to pay attention to my posts i have always wish and ask for self reliance.i guess Democrats are mushrafs fault.people in USA vote as mushy tells them to do so give me a break.whats happening in Pakistan thats wrong.excellent things are happening in Pakistan our economy is coming around just fine we are investing heavily in infrastructure.government is creating investor friendly policies and as a businessman i couldn't be happier.topic is how Democrats are threatening Pakistan with stoppage of military hardware.but you are talking about what s happening in pakistan couldnt be far from the topic.

Cheetah,

Your post did not make any sense to me, All I said is lets not blame Americans for their ramblings and for their crookedness, When Pakistan is being taken advantage off, I hope you better blame your incompetent leaders. The world runs this way, and if they cant see that, then they should not be leaders in the first place. As a businessman you will understand that trait very well. I understand your wish for NATO like allaince. THe characters of countries involved in NATO, and countries you mention are different, most of leaders of those countries depend on the US to keep their power. I replied to your previous post, so lets get back to topic. Dems are blocking F-16s.
 
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Get over other Muslim nation thingie, a nation cares about itself.
So if the Americans give you the B-2 instead of the rusty F-16, you ready to make a civil war in your country. Learn that double standards is the way of the world. Its not the faults of the Americans, ofcourse they will try to take advantage, its your leaders fault, they should have drawn the red line and said NO. Aussie PM is staunch ally, and they dont get stuff free. Why do you always want stuff free? Cant you see the crazy talibs and balochi's are trying to break up Pakistan, it is in your interest too. Whatever bad happening wrong in Pakistan is not the fault of Bush but rather Mushraff, cuz he let it happen.

Ok lets suppose for a min that it is Musharaf's fault all of it, Question is tell me what would you have done if you were in his place ???
 
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Mr Ackerman, a Democrat from New York, is the present Chairman of the Congressional Caucus on India and Indian Americans and now also heads the Middle East and South Asia Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. This position gives him the power to frustrate Pakistan’s efforts to maintain its current partnership with the United States.

Mr Ackerman raised the issue of the F-16 sales to Pakistan.
 
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Correction: March 7 U.S., Pakistan story

By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer
Fri Mar 9, 3:26 PM ET

In a March 7 story about congressional Democrats trying to pressure Pakistan to step up its efforts against terrorism, The Associated Press reported erroneously that Senate Democrats had proposed a resolution threatening to block delivery of U.S. jet fighters to that country.

The resolution and an accompanying statement by three senators did not mention jet fighter sales. Without specifics it says "appropriate levels of United States military assistance to Pakistan" should be influenced by Pakistan's efforts to combat al-Qaida and the Taliban. A contract to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan is a part of U.S. military aid to that country.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Democrats are threatening to withhold delivery of military assistance to Pakistan if it does not intensify its campaign against terrorists. The Bush administration opposed an even tougher move in the House that would condition U.S. military aid to stronger anti-terror efforts. Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher told a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee Wednesday the arms package should not be held out as a reward to Pakistan. Boucher said Pakistan is fighting Taliban militia for its own good and that the United States and other nations benefit as a result.

Three Democratic senators — John Kerry of Massachusetts, Christopher Dodd (news, bio, voting record) of Connecticut and Joe Biden of Delaware — put the threat in the form of a nonbinding resolution.

Its aim is to make clear to Pakistan that U.S. military assistance will be assessed in how hard the South Asian ally cracks down on Taliban forces, which are expected to launch a spring offensive in Afghanistan from havens in Pakistan, and on the al-Qaida terror network.

"We must never forget the importance of going after the terrorists before they strike," Kerry said.

At the House hearing, meanwhile, Chairman Gary Ackerman (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., told Boucher that many members of Congress were "puzzled why we are not doing more to put in some backbone" with Pakistan.

"We would like to see a little more muscle behind the policy," Ackerman said.

In the same vein, Rep. David Scott (news, bio, voting record), D-Ga., told Boucher: "I do not believe we are making all the progress we should be making." Scott said the terrorists had havens in Pakistan's border areas and "it doesn't seem we are getting our money's worth" from U.S. assistance to Pakistan.

But Boucher described Pakistan as "a vital partner and ally in our fight against the Taliban and al-Qaida."

The State Department official said the solution was not entirely a military one. Boucher said the Pakistan president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, was pursuing economic and social reform in the border areas where terrorists have havens.

The Bush administration is supporting the effort, but Boucher did not specify how much U.S. assistance will go into it.

"We will continue to work with the government of Pakistan to develop a long-term strategic partnership that is multifaceted and committed to the peace and security" of the region, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_go_co/us_pakistan_fixed_1
 
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:lol: It's amusing to see the snap reactions of a few people due to false news report.....


Time for a reality check for some I fear...
 
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See even the **** *** democrate see how important we are. Has anybody paid attention to the bill that the NA passed recently that says that if sanctions are placed on pakistan then pakistan will stop cooperating with the US in Afghanistan and WoT as a whole. :bunny: :tup:
 
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a few american senator have nothing better to discuss..why don't they discuss americas rising debt,trade deficit and grwoing inflation of national insurance...strange to hear from john kerry as i heard he was a good friend of john kerry..first he voted for the war than he said i was not to go into iraq...bloody idiot
 
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