Democratic movements in Saudi Arabia..

[Manindra]

@HAIDER You commited blasphmey

Well if KSA support FSA for democracy in Syria then then they should justify why not other powers support rebels for democracy in KSA & other M.E. dictatorship.

 

[al-Hasani]

@HAIDER You commited blasphmey

Well if KSA support FSA for democracy in Syria then then they should justify why not other powers support rebels for democracy in KSA & other M.E. dictatorship.

Who called a Hindu and Indian? You do not even belong in the Middle East. Why do you care? Concentrate on Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh and such countries that you border and that are your sphere of interest.

King Abdullah is not going anywhere until his health permits him to stay. Salman is going to replace him though.





That video is just showing primitive propaganda against KSA. That teacher who is supposed to be oppressed and poor is driving a car that 99,9% of all people in the world would love to have.

Western styled democracy has no place in the land of Prophet Muhammad (saws), all the Prophets before him, the Sahabah, Ahl al-Bayt, Caliphs, clerics etc. Nor in the Land of the Two Holy Mosques and the cradle of Islam.


Changes are happening at the required pace and the people themselves will push forward reforms when they are ready. In fact King Abdullah has on many occasions called for reforms but strong powers in the country and people have opposed it. None of the laws that are in place are in place despite the support of the people but BECAUSE of it.

Most outsiders have no idea about KSA nor do we expect them to have it. Especially non-Arabs who have no understanding of the language or the Arab world. Some have but mostly only those who have actually visited KSA.

KSA is not a perfect country but we are among the very best in a lot of matters and we are the Muslim country that accepts more Muslim immigrants to its lands than anyone else and it says it all really. Likewise we have many non-Muslims and Westerners living in our country out of their free will.

Our future is very bright. One of the biggest economies in the world (top 20) that is among the fastest growing, a growing, young, educated and talented population, enormous wealth in terms of resources, enormous potential for solar and wind energy, a strategic location, beautiful country, a already great and constantly increasing level of infrastructure, diversity etc.

All the anti-Arab/anti-KSA/anti-Islam brigade and their delusions of KSA ever losing it's current very big economical, cultural, social, geopolitical, strategical and most importantly religious importance and influence is just a consequence of their daydreaming.

Unless they suddenly remove our country geographically and thus obtain a similar geopolitical strategic location, suddenly find as many natural resources and the potential for wind and solar energy, suddenly buy all of KSA's ENORMOUS investments outside and inside our borders, remove Makkah and Madinah from Hejaz or change the ancestry and ancestral/cultural/linguistic ties of 300 million Arabs then we might talk. Until then it is just empty talk but quite funny.

It reminds me of some Zionists dream of a Greater Israel which ironically would have most of it lands in current day KSA:

In case anyone bothers then this is a nearly 6 year old documentary (unique in its nature) about KSA and the future ahead.

Nearly 8 million views. Don't recall that many views about a documentary about any country in the world.

Inside the Saudi Kingdom (BBC Documentary) - YouTube

Last time I checked then we have 2 million Indians living in KSA. Apparently only 4 countries in the world have a bigger Indian diaspora.

 

[Manindra]

Who called a Hindu and Indian? You do not even belong in the Middle East. Why do you care? Concentrate on Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh and such countries that you border and that are your sphere of interest.




Last time I checked then we have 2 million Indians living in KSA. Apparently only 4 countries in the world have a bigger Indian diaspora.

This is a Internet Forum not your wahabi dictatorship kingdom and here everybody have right to express their opinion .
If your logic applies on me then same apply on you , who called KSA to interven in Syria internal matter , who called Iran to interven in Syria if this intervention justifies then intervention in KSA is also justifacable.

 

[al-Hasani]

This is a Internet Forum not your wahabi dictatorship kingdom and here everybody have right to express their opinion .
If your logic applies on me then same apply on you , who called KSA to interven in Syria internal matter , who called Iran to interven in Syria if this intervention justifies then intervention in KSA is also justifacable.

Keep barking and showing your ignorance. I think you are referring to the Hanbali fiqh. Aside from that then KSA has the most diverse following in terms of madahib in our lands (Sunni = Hanbali, Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanafi) (Shia = Twelver and Zaydi) which no other country has.

Your ignorant opinions matters nothing. The same way as a Papuan speaking about our beautiful Arab world or the Middle East. We simply do not care.

Oh, Syria is a fellow Arab and Muslim country and they have asked for our help through the Arab League and through the media and the common Syrian. We also have hundred of thousands of Syrians living in our land. We have ancestral, cultural, religious, tribal and linguistic ties.

India on the other hand have none....

Well I invite you to intervene in KSA. Not sure you would like the outcome.

Lastly can you tell me what 2 million Indians are doing in KSA if it is all that horrible? Why not some of the other 200 countries in the world? Or better, staying in India?

 

[Manindra]

Keep barking and showing your ignorance. I think you are referring to the Hanbali fiqh. Aside from that then KSA has the most diverse following in terms of madahib in our lands (Sunni = Hanbali, Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanafi) (Shia = Twelver and Zaydi) which no other country has.

Your ignorant opinions matters nothing. The same way as a Papuan speaking about our beautiful Arab world or the Middle East. We simply do not care.

Oh, Syria is a fellow Arab and Muslim country and they have asked for our help through the Arab League and through the media and the common Syrian. We also have hundred of thousands of Syrians living in our land. We have ancestral, cultural, religious, tribal and linguistic ties.

India on the other hand have none....

Well I invite you to intervene in KSA. Not sure you would like the outcome.

Lastly can you tell me what 2 million Indians are doing in KSA if it is all that horrible? Why not some of the other 200 countries in the world? Or better, staying in India?

Well those are not intellectuals . They are lower & lower middle class who goes M.E. for search of job & whole world knows how horrible KSA are for overseas workers . Please give me the numbers how many foriegn intellectuals , academics , technicians , scientist etc. are residing in KSA
And you could support FSA in Syria because west support them alone you could not support Palestine .

 

[al-Hasani]

Well those are not intellectuals . They are lower & lower middle class who goes M.E. for search of job & whole world knows how horrible KSA are for overseas workers . Please give me the numbers how many foriegn intellectuals , academics , technicians , scientist etc. are residing in KSA
And you could support FSA in Syria because west support them alone you could not support Palestine .

Oh, and what is the percentage of so-called "intellectuals" in India? Out of 1.2 BILLION people? My humble guess would be less than 0,5%. Oh, and I don't consider anyone with a degree a intellectual.

Well, we have plenty of local and foreign people that are highly educated be it in the energy sector, medicine, military, architects, engineers etc. Not my problem that you are ignorant.

Oh, not all of those 2 million Indians are necessarily poor. They are doing better than 80% of all Indians back home.

Lastly the point is that they are there. Why not in the remaining 200 countries in the world if it is so horrible? Or even better INDIA?

Oh, foreigners are treated well aside from a few incidents that happens everywhere.

I am very curious to see how you would treat 2 million Kenyans for example if they lived in India or Chinese. Racism is a very big problem in India. You guys are obsessed about skin color and skin lightening creams. This is known across the world.

You Hindus hate Muslims per definition so don't try to act like a holy cow (LOL). Pardon my language.

Oh, KSA is the biggest humanitarian financier when it comes to Palestine. Take a look at the Middle East section and the newest thread about Palestine. As I said educate yourself because you sound really clueless. You don't see me talking about Indic matters do you? Because it does not interest me the slightest nor have I the sufficient knowledge to discuss such matters on a high level.

 

[Manindra]

Oh, and what is the percentage of so-called "intellectuals" in India? Out of 1.2 BILLION people? My humble guess would be less than 0,5%. Oh, and I don't consider anyone with a degree a intellectual.

Well, we have plenty of local and foreign people that are highly educated be it in the energy sector, medicine, military, architects, engineers etc. Not my problem that you are ignorant.

Oh, not all of those 2 million Indians are necessarily poor. They are doing better than 80% of all Indians back home.

Lastly the point is that they are there. Why not in the remaining 200 countries in the world if it is so horrible? Or even better INDIA?

Oh, foreigners are treated well aside from a few incidents that happens everywhere.

I am very curious to see how you would treat 2 million Kenyans for example if they lived in India or Chinese. Racism is a very big problem in India. You guys are obsessed about skin color and skin lightening creams. This is known across the world.

You Hindus hate Muslims per definition so don't try to act like a holy cow (LOL). Pardon my language.

Oh, KSA is the biggest humanitarian financier when it comes to Palestine. Take a look at the Middle East section and the newest thread about Palestine. As I said educate yourself because you sound really clueless. You don't see me talking about Indic matters do you? Because it does not interest me the slightest nor have I the sufficient knowledge to discuss such matters on a high level.

Oh ! KSA are angel who loves everywhere who finance those outfits who blows people to free from world problem and grief .
And says racism ask with my neighbor (PK & BD) . You are people who born to hate others & you preach others about racism.
Before telling me that Hindu hate muslims first read your comment of hate to hindus .

 

[al-Hasani]

Yes, you are unable to counter my correct points. I knew that beforehand already.

Next time you try to stick your nose in matters that do not concern you (Arabs, Islam and Semitic areas) then please educate yourself just a little before entering such a discussion.

If I ever, it is very doubtful, try to stick my nose into Hindu and Indian matters without having the slightest clue of what I am talking about, I would accept the same answers.

Regarding Hindus then I could not care less about you. The closest Hindus, apart from the immigrants and foreign workers in the Arab world, are found in India across the Arabian Sea and 3000 km away or so. On the other hand you nearly have 200 million Muslim Indians in your backyard (India).

Next time don't compare coconuts with radish.

 

[HAIDER]

There is already a Islamic society as has been the case for 1400 years.

Why do some Muslims, often Shias, want Western styled democracy in Western countries? Why not move to the West then? You already live in the US. Would you move back to Pakistan tomorrow? Be honest, please.

It seems that you still think that the Middle East lives in the early 1920's....

In case you don't know then KSA has the highest percentage of Twitter and Facebook users in the Muslim and Arab world and among top 3 in ALL the world. People are educated, they often speak several languages and know what is happening in the world. More than all others in the region.

You get the point. Half of the human population don't even have a car. The guy in the video is well-off and not poor. That was the point.

I suggest you watch that documentary I linked to although it is 6 years old.

If accuse shia for democracy , then what FSA is doing in Syria, recent change in EGYPT.
Change is contiguous. On and off democracy in Pakistan.

In case you don't know then KSA has the highest percentage of Twitter and Facebook users in the Muslim and Arab world and among top 3 in ALL the world.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...tic-movements-saudi-arabia.html#ixzz2XdPpa0kj

this also prove their voice is not listen, thats why. Plus Suadi govt made bid to buy tweeter and we all know why. But owner refuse to sell.

 

[al-Hasani]

If accuse shia for democracy , then what FSA is doing in Syria, recent change in EGYPT.
Change is contiguous. On and off democracy in Pakistan.


this also prove their voice is not listen, thats why. Plus Suadi govt made bid to buy tweeter and we all know why. But owner refuse to sell.

No Arab or Muslim country has Western-styled democracy. Care to mention one?

FSA does not aim for a Western styled democracy. Same with Egypt.

Nor in Pakistan.

Oh, you can pretty much say what you want on the internet. Some Saudis already own large shares of the media.

Also I see that you are quite ignorant about the Arab world and in particular KSA. I suggest you visit it and don't only use Wikipedia sources as your only source of knowledge. Visiting for hajj or Umrah is a good opportunity or during the Ramadan month.

Anyway do what you want as long as you do not threaten us.

 

[HAIDER]

No Arab or Muslim country has Western-styled democracy. Care to mention one?

FSA does not aim for a Western styled democracy. Same with Egypt.

Nor in Pakistan.

Oh, you can pretty much say what you want on the internet. Some Saudis already own large shares of the media.

Also I see that you are quite ignorant about the Arab world and in particular KSA. I suggest you visit it and don't only use Wikipedia sources as your only source of knowledge.

Anyway do what you want as long as you do not threaten us.

When i come for ummrah ,,i will visit u....lol...inshallah

 

[HAIDER]

@al-Hasani is their any permit require for foreigners to visit Madain Saleh ?. Its dream to visit place which mention in HolyQuran.

 

[al-Hasani]

When i come for ummrah ,,i will visit u....lol...inshallah

Then I can drive you to the Eastern Province among the Shia Twelvers, to Najran among the Zaydi Twelvers and the Ismaili ones in the South to.

If you want I can also show you the oldest Shia community in the world in Madinah where 50.000 Shias live. They are mostly Twelvers.

Sunni and Shia clerics in Saudi Arabia together:

The vast majority of the Shias of Madinah are descendants of Black slaves who arrived from the Eastern Province to Madinah:

This below was "Ayatollah" (or what you guys call them) Sheikh Muhammad Ali al-Amri who died in 2011. He was 100 years old! The picture above is from his funeral.

Such Shias we can live with as they do not cause problems but some in the Eastern Province (a minority around Qatif) are under the influence of Iranian Mullah's and foreigners who conspire against KSA and us Sunnis.

 

[Jihad_]

I hope Saudi's free themselves soon from this ruthless dictatorship.

 

[HAIDER]

I am more crazy about MaidaN Saleh , saw amazing documentary. But few Saudi said, Saudis himself avoid to go , they have lot of superstitions about that place, or its cursed place..